Email from Peter Lawrence

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I will take option B, thanks Eddie. 

Well sure but they’re in charge.. 

My point was more that if they don’t trust themselves to make the decisions they should go, no indications so far that they don’t.

Whether demonlanders want an external review right now or not is a bit irrelevant because it’s not up to us. 

[Yossarian 1,820]

6 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Well sure but they’re in charge.. 

My point was more that if they don’t trust themselves to make the decisions they should go, no indications so far that they don’t.

Whether demonlanders want an external review right now or not is a bit irrelevant because it’s not up to us. 

The Deemocracy website is at least one avenue to push for an external review, whether you're a fan of Peter Lawrence or not.

[Tim 3,413]

9 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I suppose someone has to be his friend.

Nasty, unnecessary and wrong post.

[hardtack 10,504]

It’s probably just me (it usually is), but this topic is giving me flashes of the old Demonology site, particularly concerning events (a ‘hostile’ takeover, or attempted takeover; I can’t recall if it was successful) that pretty much led to that site’s demise.

That’s not to say that Demonland is under threat, but just that the tone of certain posts directed at the board is somehow similar. 

Edited August 29 by hardtack

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

3 hours ago, Dingo said:

“another way to meaningfully to the club” - he was sponsoring Kade Chandler until Joffey cancelled it.

Who is Joffey?

[drysdale demon 4,821]

21 minutes ago, Tim said:

Nasty, unnecessary and wrong post.

I can see you don't have a sense of humor.

[hardtack 10,504]

3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Who is Joffey?

There’s a rumour she’s now a member of the Pies cheer squad? 

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Do you know how sponsorships are being impacted? 

We haven't been able to reach the same membership numbers again this year.

We have missed out on several players who do not want to come to our club because of the perception that it's a mess. 

That is all part of the bottom line.

Several issues have been leaked to the media, whether from inside the club or not, including private information relating to Clarry, Smith, the issues with the board, the issues between our ex doctor and the club, the issues relating to Trac, rumours about Goodwin etc etc. 

Whether those leaks are coming directly from the club or not is irrelevant. What matters is that people with a powerful voice are finding out about those things from people are close to the issues, and running with them, and our club is letting it happen.

I am not going to keep arguing with you, as clearly you think the board is blameless. Good luck to you. 

What issues with the board, there is only two  Lawrence, which was held in a public court. The other we can't talk about but they bleat to the press not the Club

The doctor talked to the press not the Club.

Which players did we miss out on?

Rumours about Goodwin, correct rumours

The membership numbers are in the same ball park, according to you they have dropped, wrong.

 

They are not a powerful voice, it is the media, click baiters extroadinaire.

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

3 hours ago, BDA said:

what are you going on about?

the reasons have been listed already in this thread. what facts do you want exactly.

one example. the board promised a new home base. they did not deliver. and it doesn't matter whether you think that is an important issue or not. It's their metric. at what point do you think they need to be held accountable on this point?

Are you speaking from experience in creating a Greenfield project, I have the experience, it is like drawing teeth, it is not completed in weeks or maybe months.

Do you want an update.....it is progressing

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

4 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

How do you feel about club sponsors emailing you? 

Have you emailed Hertz and New Balance too? 

I don't get them because I was given a choice for some, Mr Lawrence didn't give me a choice.

[JJJ 1,191]

33 minutes ago, hardtack said:

It’s probably just me (it usually is), but this topic is giving me flashes of the old Demonology site, particularly concerning events (a ‘hostile’ takeover, or attempted takeover; I can’t recall if it was successful) that pretty much led to that site’s demise.

That’s not to say that Demonland is under threat, but just that the tone of certain posts directed at the board is somehow similar. 

There were some full blown crazies on that forum who thought Demonland was where the Leftist would hang out. Strawberry Fields was what Demonland was referred to at the time. 

I stopped posting there after a while as I couldn’t handle the rhetoric and constant arguing.

Hopefully the club does what’s necessary to keep us all sane and we can avoid an ‘Ology like decline.

[Ted Lasso 19,183]

39 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What issues with the board, there is only two  Lawrence, which was held in a public court. The other we can't talk about but they bleat to the press not the Club

The doctor talked to the press not the Club.

Which players did we miss out on?

Rumours about Goodwin, correct rumours

The membership numbers are in the same ball park, according to you they have dropped, wrong.

 

They are not a powerful voice, it is the media, click baiters extroadinaire.

Orrr.... and just hear me out.... it is possible the MFC isn't perfect and has some issues to work through?

[Dante 2,734]

43 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What issues with the board, there is only two  Lawrence, which was held in a public court. The other we can't talk about but they bleat to the press not the Club

The doctor talked to the press not the Club.

Which players did we miss out on?

Rumours about Goodwin, correct rumours

The membership numbers are in the same ball park, according to you they have dropped, wrong.

 

They are not a powerful voice, it is the media, click baiters extroadinaire.

Post 31 July

65,407

70,785

 

5,000 plus, fewer members.

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

7 minutes ago, Dante said:

Post 31 July

65,407

70,785

 

5,000 plus, fewer members.

And if someone hadn’t left Blake Acres on his own in the goal square with a minute to go in last years semi we’d be above 70k, that wasn’t the boards fault.. 

[Little Goffy 14,397]

2 hours ago, darkhorse72 said:

Hotmail!  Once upon a time I had the hotmail address of [email protected]. then forgot the password sometime over the decades.

I got a message from hotmail congratulating me on our 25yr anniversary.

Hmm, by the logic of some on here that means I should have a say on how Microsoft is run.

I must say, watching this thread and its "Gish Gallop vs Sealioning" battle of wills has become fascinating in a petrie dish kind of way.

[daisycutter 29,595]

6 hours ago, Guest said:

"I request that all personal information held in relation to my membership be destroyed.

In my work situation I cannot allow unknown parties to access my information.  I understand that the club is not at fault.

 

When joining the club I did so having read the terms of the privacy agreement which I expected to be upheld.   Had I had doubts I would not have joined the club.

 

It is with deep regret that I make this decision as it will cease many years of continuous membership.

 

Please advise me when this is completed."

let me know if you can find another afl club that can satisfy your exact requirements

i'll save you the time ... you can't

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

Orrr.... and just hear me out.... it is possible the MFC isn't perfect and has some issues to work through?

There are issues, mostly within the Footy Dept to sort out, hence why we have Alan Richardson, Simon Goodwin and the Club psychologist.

The only major one we have to do with anything else is Mr Lawrence taking us to court and costing the club money.

1 hour ago, Dante said:

Post 31 July

65,407

70,785

 

5,000 plus, fewer members.

Still over 60,000 I was in ringing around when it was down around 32000, so not bad, but then again we have supporters who only support when there is success, hence the pitiful Saturday night attendances,  I can say this because I have not missed a home game for 15 years. Because I support the team and I trust the Board to sort out the problems and not have a sulker who didn't get voted on to the Board creating issues.

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

2 hours ago, Dante said:

Post 31 July

65,407

70,785

 

5,000 plus, fewer members.

You answered acknowledged one dot point and.....

[pewpewpew 738]

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

You answered acknowledged one dot point and.....

Dying to hear your glowing review of Roffey's interview. I need a good laugh after the last few days of doom and gloom at the MFC.

[Satyriconhome 10,675]

26 minutes ago, pewpewpew said:

Dying to hear your glowing review of Roffey's interview. I need a good laugh after the last few days of doom and gloom at the MFC.

Nothing wrong with the interview, played a straight bat to questions that were trying to draw more.

I agree, anything to do with the Footy Department is Footy Department to handle.

Give it a couple of days and the media vultures will move on to something else.

Just a question is there something wrong with both St Kilda and West Coast that Josh Battle and Tom Barass want to trade out of their respective clubs?

[Cyclops 504]

33 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nothing wrong with the interview, played a straight bat to questions that were trying to draw more.

I agree, anything to do with the Footy Department is Footy Department to handle.

Give it a couple of days and the media vultures will move on to something else.

Just a question is there something wrong with both St Kilda and West Coast that Josh Battle and Tom Barass want to trade out of their respective clubs?

So who is president of the footy department of the MFC?

Both Battle and Barass don't have contracts?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,119]

On 28/08/2024 at 15:27, whatwhat say what said:

well, i would argue, that in the last strategic plan the club achieved 4 of the 5 outcomes stated

the one glaring omission was the home base

but, as per other threads, that ain't for want of trying...

Did we?

1- play finals each year 2020-23 and win a flag. We didn't play finals in 2020, we did win a flag. I'd give it a pass but technically a fail.

2- $4m profit over 4 years - did we achieve this? Eliminate debt. $30m+ of income producing assets. I'm not sure about any of this so not sure if it's a pass or fail.

3- have a culture that inspires excellence and attracts new talent. Pretty wishy washy though you can argue our culture has gone backwards and have struggled to attract new talent since the flag. I give this a fail though it is subjective.

4- 75k+ members, 50k+ average home crowds. Fail.

5- home base. Fail.

That's at least 3 fails out of 5 for me and possibly fails on all 5 (again not sure on point 2).

[Dr. Gonzo 24,119]

6 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

What is the harm in reviewing performance and operations?

 

Depends on what it finds and who may be held accountable.

[Tracca 838]

6 hours ago, hardtack said:

It’s probably just me (it usually is), but this topic is giving me flashes of the old Demonology site, particularly concerning events (a ‘hostile’ takeover, or attempted takeover; I can’t recall if it was successful) that pretty much led to that site’s demise.

That’s not to say that Demonland is under threat, but just that the tone of certain posts directed at the board is somehow similar. 

Nah I saved it from those nutbags, just.... was getting harrassing phone calls for at least 2 years. I kept it going albet it was a niche group of us chatting, I wanted to keep tims legacy going for as long as possible. Then decided it was time to just let it go and have Demonland as the main source of forum chat. The segregation of members and community is exactly what happened with our cheer squads years ago, didnt want that to continue. And am glad i shut it down for that reason as there is a lot of posters that have come back to land.

[Jonathan Steffanoni 101]

I read the Federal Court decision, and it does feel like the board has failed to get the balance right between stability and accountability.

The rules were very much designed to make it almost impossible for a major change to be made at board level. While good for stability, it’s less so for accountability.

The fact that the election rules had to be changed seven times within a couple of years doesn’t fill me with confidence. The issue could have been resolved in a much less fumbling manner.

The decision went in the clubs favour, but only because they appeased almost every element of the application before the decision. The end outcome probably strikes a better balance between stability and accountability, but fighting it out in the Federal Court isn’t the best way to achieve it.

Edited August 29 by Jonathan Steffanoni
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