Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[FreedFromDesire 579]

21 minutes ago, BDA said:

that's a lot of change in one fell swoop. every senior position changed other than Goody. That would unsettle me if i was Goody.

Bring in a new CEO. Let them assess the lie of the land and make changes as needed. New head of footy top of the list for sure.

The other problem, which perhaps can't be avoided if the change has to happen, is the upheaval will get in the way of making the changes needed in the assistant coaching team. 

Barring someone getting the West Coast job, I don't think there will be any more assistants departing this year. All of Richardson, McQualter, Chaplin and Williams are currently contracted for at least 1 more year.

[redandbluemakepurple 346]

It is worth remembering that Geelong in 2005ish and Hawthorn (?) had reviews.  The coaches hated them but were premiership coaches several years later.

[ANG13 1,973]

45 minutes ago, rjay said:

Seems like flavour of the month at the moment but don't know much about him apart from missing the Richmond job.

Mahoney worth a look. PJ wanted him to take the job and I reckon he's (PJ) about the best administrator the club has had and would know.

Wright worth sounding out...

I would happily take JM over Pert. 

[chookrat 4,201]

45 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I won't go into specific details of the interview but former Demon legend Davud Schwarz is still very angry and calling for an external review of the Melbourne Football Club.

Here is the interview:

 

All I will say to David Schwarz is that if he really cares about the Melbourne Football Club then he needs to get involved at Board level. No point making criticisms from afar but not helping the Club and simply making complaints while hungover in radio interviews.

Schwartz would be one of the last people I'd want as a Board Member. While he is passionate, outside of his playing career he hasn't worked in a footy club and has no general management, board or technical expertise. As a passionate public figure he will overreact when things aren't going well creating instability without knowing how to solve problems.

[BDA 22,237]

45 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

All I will say to David Schwarz is that if he really cares about the Melbourne Football Club then he needs to get involved at Board level

i wouldn't have him anywhere near the board. He's a dingbat. 

[dazzledavey36 52,670]

52 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I won't go into specific details of the interview but former Demon legend Davud Schwarz is still very angry and calling for an external review of the Melbourne Football Club.

Here is the interview:

 

All I will say to David Schwarz is that if he really cares about the Melbourne Football Club then he needs to get involved at Board level. No point making criticisms from afar but not helping the Club and simply making complaints while hungover in radio interviews.

The last part of that interview is pretty damning to hear.

[FreedFromDesire 579]

2 minutes ago, BDA said:

i wouldn't have him anywhere near the board. He's a dingbat. 

It becomes quite a tough balance finding new people for the board I imagine. Passion for the club is such a key part to it, but business qualifications are vital and often football experience to some degree important too.

I would very much like to see either (or both of) Paul Hopgood or Andrew Leoncelli get involved to some degree. No disrespect to him, as he's a fantastic fella, but perhaps one could take the place of Brad Green? Brad's mandate to the board you would think would be football department conduit, and clearly that isn't working as it stands.

Unless we have some kind of miraculous offseason from here on out (doubtful), I would not be totally surprised to see either of those former Demons put their hands up in some way.

[Wrecker46 2,858]

Pert was divisive at Collingwood and it seems to me a magpie doesn't change its spots.

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

2 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Pert was divisive at Collingwood and it seems to me a magpie doesn't change its spots.

And who says that, or just click bait again

[Wrecker46 2,858]

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

And who says that, or just click bait again

I say it and i said it before he came to Melbourne based on what i had heard from multiple sources within Collingwood factions

[rpfc 28,042]

Having thought on it some more - I actually endorse them and will join the ticket if I can. They have to promise me a cabinet position but there it is. 

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

1 hour ago, Wrecker46 said:

I say it and i said it before he came to Melbourne based on what i had heard from multiple sources within Collingwood factions

Faction.    One definition is contentious and self seeking.

Or do you mean hearsay

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

3 hours ago, Farmer said:

Your dislike of Peter Lawrence is obvious. Aggrandisement ! Is that why he drove a bunch of our women players to Brisbane for a Final during the pandemic.? Is that why he’s given a small fortune to the Club? I urged you last week to read the Judgment in his case against the Club.  those who have done so seem to have changed their mind. He’s actually achieved a great deal for the Club in forcing the Board to make seven sets of Rule changes . I gather that you and some other posters are concerned that in an earlier case he won the right to email club members ( who choose to receive Comms from MFC by email) with material in support of his candidature . No lawyer I know believes the Club should have contested that case . Stacks of similar organisations now recognise that such a  result was inevitable . MFC should  have offered to distribute his material , which likely would have solved the problem without litigation . I must say that reading the judgment, and then considering Roffey’s triumphalist statement , convince me that all is not well at Board level 

I will reply to this again....I do or have done plenty for the Club. Just don't feel the need to advertise it.

I am not interested in the slightest with what Lawrence has got to say. If he coughed up the Club's legal fees I might.

It was not triumphalist. It was stating a fact, he lost AGAIN.

 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,665]

Issues have been swept u der the carpet for a long time but the situation has become untenable with the tumble down the ladder and the Petracca situation. Heads must roll.

Pert must go. I am more ambivalent on Roffey, the main reason being I don't really know what she does so difficult to say whether it's good or not. She must live or die by the home base issue, members are owed an update on this if we get nothing tangible in the next few months she should go.

I have been a supporter but I think Goodwin needs to share a big part of the blame too. We may need a wholesale cleanout, the place is collapsing in on itself.

[spirit of norm smith 15,052]

12 hours ago, No10 said:

Part of the Trac story is that he’s uninspired by our training facilities.

The lack of progress is demoralising. But what I find even more unacceptable is the lack of vision.

The club needs to find solutions to inspire players like Trac, who won’t see a new Melbourne facility in his playing years.

Send the squad to Arizona, or Switzerland, anywhere that inspires more than the same sad empty oval next to Punt Rd.
It’s not just for results, it’s to show the club is striving for the best, it’s cultural.

No more excuses. Solutions and vision are required. The now should’ve been anticipated given the slow pace of the long term.

Yes yes yes.  Spot on. Lack of vision is clear.  Need to get Caulfield training base happening and permits etc asap. 

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,495]

Fact is whatever anyone thinks of the board, management or coaching staff the club can’t make any changes while one player is trying to blow the club up from the inside.
 

Trac (or his team) leaking and whispering means the club has to bunker down and back those in their roles until that situation is resolved and probably until after next year is underway. Can’t have one unhappy player dictate the whole structure of the club. 

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

32 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes yes yes.  Spot on. Lack of vision is clear.  Need to get Caulfield training base happening and permits etc asap. 

What the grass not green enough to run on.

Oh dear

[He de mon 861]

13 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

Pert was divisive at Collingwood and it seems to me a magpie doesn't change its spots.

A guy who worked in the same building as me was an employee of Collingwood.  He warned me back in 2018, when we appointed Pert, that he caused major friction at the Pies and that it was a mistake to hire him. 

I laughed it off at the time 😢

[Fritta and Turner 4,171]

Everybody causes major friction at the Pies; Buckley, Malthouse, Eddie, Wright etc etc

It is a sign of a factionalised organisation, like the Bombers.

If you are not making enemies as a CEO of a footy club you are not doing your job.

[Yossarian 1,820]

1 hour ago, Fritta and Turner said:

Everybody causes major friction at the Pies; Buckley, Malthouse, Eddie, Wright etc etc

It is a sign of a factionalised organisation, like the Bombers.

If you are not making enemies as a CEO of a footy club you are not doing your job.

Which enemies did PJ make?

[Fritta and Turner 4,171]

56 minutes ago, Yossarian said:

Which enemies did PJ make?

Dunno, probably all that dead wood he got rid of for a start.  Perhaps you could ask at Bomberland, I am sure he has a few there.

Admittedly though he did come to the MFC with the full endorsement of the AFL which gives a 'like it or lump it' attitude to his decisions.  Then again he didnt out stay his welcome.

[KozzyCan 326]

1 hour ago, Yossarian said:

Which enemies did PJ make?

PJ came into such a ****show he sacked half the club and they all said "yeah that's probably fair enough."

[picket fence 16,629]

17 hours ago, Adam The God said:

External review, boardroom clean out, new pres, new CEO, and new head of footy. Doubt it happens though...

And dont forget New coach, need to take the place and give it the full replacements strategy!

[Adam The God 29,278]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

And dont forget New coach, need to take the place and give it the full replacements strategy!

Disagree.

Third or fourth most successful coach in our history and will have us back up there again very soon.

[whatwhat say what 22,053]

8 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Disagree.

Third or fourth most successful coach in our history and will have us back up there again very soon.

third

if you exclude the tiny sample size of yze (1 game for 1 win) and smaller sample size of bert chadwin (53 games for 38 wins in the home and away, 4 wins and 1 loss for 1 premiership in finals) then goodwin is #3 on our current list of winningest coaches ever...

norm smith: 181 wins, 5 draws, 101 losses, 63.94% winning rate in home & away seasons // 16 wins, 7 losses, 69.57% winning rate in finals for 6 premierships from 8 attempts

checker hughes: 146 wins, 1 draw, 93 losses, 61.04% in h&a // 11 wins, 1 draw, 6 losses, 63.89% in finals, 4 from 6 premierships

simon goodwin: 99 wins, 1 draw, 72 losses, 57.85%, 5 wins, 5 losses 50% in finals, 1 from 1

tactically innovative, embraced by the playing list, seemingly disliked / underappreciated by the media...