umps are directed not to give head high frees if a player drops the knee. why can't the same logic be applied here? Moore went to ground and Kossie didn't have time to react. 

  On 23/08/2024 at 12:27, fr_ap said:

Looks like a suspension to me. 3-4. 

Voila 

You all need to focus less on his feet being taken or Moore on the ground and more on his raised elbow. That's all this is 

  On 24/08/2024 at 07:19, Demonsterative said:

Ha, what? What is this? What are you saying? 

It's an emotional topic and I don't think that everybody is being objective.

The fact that it's a Demon player in the gun naturally colours our perception of the incident. 

Would you argue that Maynard should get off if he did the same thing or would you be calling for his head?

That's all I'm saying.  It's just a hypothetical.

  On 24/08/2024 at 07:39, Demonstone said:

It's an emotional topic and I don't think that everybody is being objective.

The fact that it's a Demon player in the gun naturally colours our perception of the incident. 

Would you argue that Maynard should get off if he did the same thing or would you be calling for his head?

That's all I'm saying.  It's just a hypothetical.

You're right to raise it, but most are not capable of thinking from anyone's POV other than their own. Especially within an emotionally coloured hypothetical. 

The true answer is yes - if it was Maynard, they'd be baying for blood.

On the subject of Kozzie - would love the stats of how many times he has kicked the first goal of the game and we have gone on to lose the match. Feels an inevitability from my perspective as it seems to occur every single time.

He kicked the goal last night and I went 'Ugh....here we go..."

Someone correct my confirmation bias please 😎

Edited August 24, 2024Aug 24 by Engorged Onion

Bump has to be finished with now, as any player bumping has to watch for the opposition player fending it off with their head.

No self duty of care required. 

Moore new Kossie was going to bump, and lowered his body.

take it and run

thought it was going to be more

Collingwood supporters melting down online because Kozzy only got 3 weeks and Moore will miss the rest of the season. 

  On 24/08/2024 at 07:25, fr_ap said:

Voila 

You champion 🏆 

  On 24/08/2024 at 07:27, fr_ap said:

You all need to focus less on his feet being taken or Moore on the ground and more on his raised elbow. That's all this is 

Was it a raised elbow though looked inconclusive to me 

  On 24/08/2024 at 06:44, H_T said:

All they have to do - and should do - is Kozzy was eyes for the ball, when he elected to bump when both running in same direction. Unfortunately for Moore he elected to drop to the ground at the same time Kozzy leant in. 
Dismissed.

 

If he gets suspended for this we are literally getting bent over. 
1/ By Christian

2/ By the AFL

This is not Christian's first rodeo on us.

This has been going on for years.

We don't appeal half the time 

When we do, we keep making the mistake of getting Anderson to make an inept attempt at defending us.

Why is Christian even still there after his tantrum threatening to resign last year.

Resignation should have been accepted on the spot.

Complete bias

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:08, loges said:

You champion 🏆 

Thanks mate

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:02, FreedFromDesire said:

I can't shake the feeling this will e the second year in a row where a rule change/system adjustment will come in post-concussion incident in a Demons vs Magpies game. 

We saw the shift after the Maynard incident, and I feel there is the potential for a groundswell around this incident where the flawed MRO system gets looked at. Having so few spaces to try and fit so many thousands of different incidents in is simply not working. The suspensions are varying too wildly now.

In the game last night, the two incidents with Magpies players lowering their heads in the contest both resulted in sanctions for Melbourne players, despite them instigating or making the incident worse in both cases. If the AFL are going to seriously tackle concussion they are going to have to recognize that having a purely punitive system when there's so many accidents and other factors is flat out not working. They are going to have to do something about the regularity now where players are looking for high contact. It's now a footy cultural issue.

I've said it for ages - nothing will change until you start penalising the concussed player too, if they are found to have contributed to the severity. Add a one week suspension to be served after their next game back, in any cases where failure to uphold duty of care to yourself and you'll see players be more careful not to recklessly put their head where angels fear to tread.

There would be outcry of course (punishing the victim), but this is not a one-way street. Every player has a duty of care on the football field, including the duty of care players have to themselves.

  On 24/08/2024 at 07:39, Demonstone said:

It's an emotional topic and I don't think that everybody is being objective.

The fact that it's a Demon player in the gun naturally colours our perception of the incident. 

Would you argue that Maynard should get off if he did the same thing or would you be calling for his head?

That's all I'm saying.  It's just a hypothetical.

I think the point here is Maynard got away with an act that has ended the career of a champion and has created physical and mental health issues for a young man. 
 

This is the AFL running scared due to the concussion issue and running scared due to their poor past game laws and current legal issues..

 

Then they make allowances due to their agenda. For example, wanting the biggest club to win a premiership as it makes them dollars in 2023
 

Barry Halls punch to the face of Brent Staker is another example of the AFL making up rules as they go, to suit their agenda, They wanted the biggest city in Australia to break a long drought.

 

This Kozzie suspension is purely about the AFL running scared as Moore dropped his knees and was concussed. Without action, they are vulnerable.
 

There is no accountability on Moore for his act and placing himself in danger. There  are two points  to duty of care. The act that from both parties. Moore has responsibilities here too. 
 

This is not blind support. It’s is an outburst of emotion due to the inconsistencies of the AFL and their inconsistent  adjudication of this game and rules. Couple that with their fear of legal proceedings that is creating an even bigger inconsistency 

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:20, Demonsterative said:

I think the point here is Maynard got away with an act that has ended the career of a champion and has created physical and mental health issues for a young man. 
 

This is the AFL running scared due to the concussion issue and running scared due to their poor past game laws and current legal issues..

 

Then they make allowances due to their agenda. For example, wanting the biggest club to win a premiership as it makes them dollars in 2023
 

Barry Halls punch to the face of Brent Staker is another example of the AFL making up rules as they go, to suit their agenda, They wanted the biggest city in Australia to break a long drought.

 

This Kozzie suspension is purely about the AFL running scared as Moore dropped his knees and was concussed. Without action, they are vulnerable.
 

There is no accountability on Moore for his act and placing himself in danger. There  are two points  to duty of care. The act that from both parties. Moore has responsibilities here too. 
 

This is not blind support. It’s is an outburst of emotion due to the inconsistencies of the AFL and their inconsistent  adjudication of this game and rules. Couple that with their fear of legal proceedings that is creating an even bigger inconsistency 

AFL loves to run the term “duty of care” and apply that players owe a duty of care, but have not accepted the other key element of negligence, which is a defence of ‘contributory negligence’. That is, that the injured party in some way contributed to their own injuries. The MRO is a corrupt kangaroo court, a joke of a judicial body. 

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:20, Demonsterative said:

I think the point here is Maynard got away with an act that has ended the career of a champion and has created physical and mental health issues for a young man. 
 

This is the AFL running scared due to the concussion issue and running scared due to their poor past game laws and current legal issues..

 

Then they make allowances due to their agenda. For example, wanting the biggest club to win a premiership as it makes them dollars in 2023
 

Barry Halls punch to the face of Brent Staker is another example of the AFL making up rules as they go, to suit their agenda, They wanted the biggest city in Australia to break a long drought.

 

This Kozzie suspension is purely about the AFL running scared as Moore dropped his knees and was concussed. Without action, they are vulnerable.
 

There is no accountability on Moore for his act and placing himself in danger. There  are two points  to duty of care. The act that from both parties. Moore has responsibilities here too. 
 

This is not blind support. It’s is an outburst of emotion due to the inconsistencies of the AFL and their inconsistent  adjudication of this game and rules. Couple that with their fear of legal proceedings that is creating an even bigger inconsistency 

Despite all of that...you're missing the point.

He elected to bump. How circumstances turned against him after that election are irrelevant. 

He elected to bump and concussed a player. 

It's a textbook suspension, everything else is irrelevant 

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:20, Demonsterative said:

I think the point here is Maynard got away with an act that has ended the career of a champion and has created physical and mental health issues for a young man. 
 

This is the AFL running scared due to the concussion issue and running scared due to their poor past game laws and current legal issues..

 

Then they make allowances due to their agenda. For example, wanting the biggest club to win a premiership as it makes them dollars in 2023
 

Barry Halls punch to the face of Brent Staker is another example of the AFL making up rules as they go, to suit their agenda, They wanted the biggest city in Australia to break a long drought.

 

This Kozzie suspension is purely about the AFL running scared as Moore dropped his knees and was concussed. Without action, they are vulnerable.
 

There is no accountability on Moore for his act and placing himself in danger. There  are two points  to duty of care. The act that from both parties. Moore has responsibilities here too. 
 

This is not blind support. It’s is an outburst of emotion due to the inconsistencies of the AFL and their inconsistent  adjudication of this game and rules. Couple that with their fear of legal proceedings that is creating an even bigger inconsistency 

To add to this point. Our club is complicate and compliant to the AFL and their ways. 
 

And I am, what a lot on here are  now calling ‘a happy clapper’ 

 

Proud of being a ‘happy clapper’ supporter of  this club and players. I won’t stand up to this dictatorship called the AFL.

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:25, fr_ap said:

Despite all of that...you're missing the point.

He elected to bump. How circumstances turned against him after that election are irrelevant. 

He elected to bump and concussed a player. 

It's a textbook suspension, everything else is irrelevant 

Nope, the point is lost on you. 
 

Can’t help you here. 

He needs to pull his head in. It happens too often. 

Hore gets fine for front on bump. Maynard nearly kills Gus with front on bump gets nothing.Well f...k me dead

Caps of the year. MFCSS is entering new uncharted territory next year. 
 

Get ready for all new level of pessimism. Consider yourself  warned. Get on the front foot and put me on the ignore list. Coz [censored] gonna get real messed up. 

 

  On 24/08/2024 at 08:25, fr_ap said:

Despite all of that...you're missing the point.

He elected to bump. How circumstances turned against him after that election are irrelevant. 

He elected to bump and concussed a player. 

It's a textbook suspension, everything else is irrelevant 

And what is THE POINT?????

You are still allowed to bump a player: it is NOT against the rules as they stand now. Had Moore stayed upright the contact would NOT have been to his head. It's not about blaming Moore for diving, or Pickett for 'raising his elbow' - it is about a split-second incident in a game fraught with these possibilities and inherent dangers. The ONLY way to avoid these incidents is to turn it into a non-contact sport. IN THE MEANTIME, TO DIVE INTO A CONTEST IN WHICH PICKETT'S SOLE AIM IS TO WIN THE BALL IS INHERENTLY, AS THE RULE STANDS, PUTTING YOUR LIFE INTO THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR DIVE. 

Sanctimonious Demonlanders make me wanna puke.

Edited August 24, 2024Aug 24 by Monbon

Of course Kozzy gets 3 weeks.

How else could the year from hell end?

It’s about circumstances beyond your control.

One second before impact Moore is standing up straight.

He didn’t bend down exposing his head, he actually dropped his knees, putting his head much lower and in line for contact. Kozzie is coming at pace and in one second has to avoid a head that wasn’t there as he ran in.

Kozzie is also looking down at the ball at the moment of impact and trying to kick it.

The dropping by Moore is a circumstance outside Kozzie’s control and that is what he pleads at the tribunal. There is no head contact if Moore doesn’t drop.

Also Moore jumped straight up and took his kick and played on. He was subbed off later at half time. How do we know conclusively what caused the concussion, which is the reason for the suspension?