Kate Roffey

[Sir Why You Little 36,569]

2 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Unfortunately there was no other option.  Despite numerous implorings from members, including at last years AGM, the Board would not engage, and so the only option is through the legal system. 

Where they firstly had the legislative requirements of Corporations law shown to them in no uncertain manner, and then secondly withdrew their opposition to Peters amendments and changed the voting rules in 4 out of 5 situations prior to the judge deciding on the 5th. 

I understand that George. But asking for Members private information was not on

[layzie 32,686]

I'm up to page 20, will need a couple of goes at this. 

What I'm taking from this is that nominations were not allowed from non-directors  unless they were directly challenging the chair?

[george_on_the_outer 7,401]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I understand that George. But asking for Members private information was not on

Not only allowable under corporations law, but that same information has been given by everyone who buys a membership..... to the AFL and anyone they choose to pass it on to....it's not private any more.

Edited August 24 by george_on_the_outer

[Sir Why You Little 36,569]

Just now, george_on_the_outer said:

Not only allowable under corporations law, but that same information has been given by everyone who buys a membership..... to the AFL and anyone they choose to pass it on to....it's not private.

So there is another clause that needs changing…

the whole thing stinks and just adds more to our annus horriblous ‘24

[Cyclops 502]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I understand that George. But asking for Members private information was not on

I don't believe Mr Lawrence asked the members for private information. In fact he legally asked the club who refused without knowlege of Mr Lawrence's corporate right to do so. It went to court and the court had no option but to ask the club to provide it. In a stalling action the club wanted to send the emails but that was denied. The club then asked the AFL for a members file. The AFL has the members data and clubs need to provide a reason to interrogate it. Hence the membership numbers are so wrong.

[old55 22,727]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I understand that George. But asking for Members private information was not on

Let's keep the facts straight. Lawrence asked for members' email addresses so he could send his electoral message out and the club refused to provide them. OK Lawrence said, you send my message out for me and the club again refused. So Lawrence took them to court and won.

[Cyclops 502]

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

The whole Peter Lawrence situation is weird, he got nominated, didn't get the votes, had a sulk, took the club to court, didn't win, sulked, wants to ask 'us' for his support, if he doesn't get it he will sulk again no doubt, if he wants to waste money, give it to charity. They might name something after him, that is obviously something he needs to make his life complete.

I just find him rather sad.

Saty you must know Mr Lawrence very well to know that he sulked so many times. I am glad he had you as you put your arm around him at these times. How good are you to now give him financial advice. A true Demon Bro.

[Sir Why You Little 36,569]

8 minutes ago, old55 said:

Let's keep the facts straight. Lawrence asked for members' email addresses so he could send his electoral message out and the club refused to provide them. OK Lawrence said, you send my message out for me and the club again refused. So Lawrence took them to court and won.

Yes i know.

It still doesn’t impress me that my personal information can be given out to anyone. I don’t approve and will be a consideration before i renew my Membership 

[DeelightfulPlay 2,503]

18 minutes ago, Cyclops said:

I don't believe Mr Lawrence asked the members for private information. In fact he legally asked the club who refused without knowlege of Mr Lawrence's corporate right to do so. It went to court and the court had no option but to ask the club to provide it. In a stalling action the club wanted to send the emails but that was denied. The club then asked the AFL for a members file. The AFL has the members data and clubs need to provide a reason to interrogate it. Hence the membership numbers are so wrong.

To be fair - the legislation only refers to the right to receive the "address" of voting members, so it was an unsettled point of law whether this included email addresses.  The Club could either comply and risk falling afoul of APP 6 of the Privacy Act (although arguably lower risk unless the OAIC took enforcement action and the club couldn't make out the "authorised by law" exemption argument) or not comply and run the risk of Peter Lawrence taking legal action (which most might decide against but Peter Lawrence did decide to do, as we know).

[dees189227 12,017]

So no one went to the presidents function last night to hear what she said?

I wonder what she'll say at the B&F

[DeelightfulPlay 2,503]

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i know.

It still doesn’t impress me that my personal information can be given out to anyone. I don’t approve and will be a consideration before i renew my Membership 

There are plenty of moments these days where interacting with an organisation involves giving some form of personal information beyond that which may be reasonably necessary.  I recommend using services like Duck Duck Go and the like to have some control over this (you can hide your email address and create generic throwaway email addresses for use on newsletters etc, but still receive your email in your normal inbox). 

[DeeZone 8,908]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

NB: We have heard from the CEO on radio last week and via a letter to the members.

Hi Demonland my take on the Kate Roffe thread is that it is no longer about Kate but a general punch up Re: Mr Lawrence Law Case, can we please separate these two threads as I feel that Kate is taking hits that aren’t necessarily hers and that the MFC Board need to address this issue at our next AGM rather than a public punch up on Demonland. Thanks.

[Rossmillan 585]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I'm up to page 20, will need a couple of goes at this. 

What I'm taking from this is that nominations were not allowed from non-directors  unless they were directly challenging the chair?

I read it that it was the opinion of the board that trying to nominate to be on the board without being asked would be considered by them “adversarial”.

Nominations are allowed it’s just they didn’t like it.

[Cyclops 502]

8 minutes ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

There are plenty of moments these days where interacting with an organisation involves giving some form of personal information beyond that which may be reasonably necessary.  I recommend using services like Duck Duck Go and the like to have some control over this (you can hide your email address and create generic throwaway email addresses for use on newsletters etc, but still receive your email in your normal inbox). 

Correct Delightfulplay. Even the City Councils on sell your information.

I had 15 phone calls last week up until 8pm about hot water services. I never give my details out and yet they had my name, address and telephone number. Not one of them knew the source of that information.

You can block emails at any time 

Edited August 24 by Cyclops

[Sir Why You Little 36,569]

6 minutes ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

There are plenty of moments these days where interacting with an organisation involves giving some form of personal information beyond that which may be reasonably necessary.  I recommend using services like Duck Duck Go and the like to have some control over this (you can hide your email address and create generic throwaway email addresses for use on newsletters etc, but still receive your email in your normal inbox). 

Well aware of things like this DP. I have digital bank accounts that do the same type of job (disposable one use cards) for online use. It’s more the principle 

Data breaches are becoming far too common 

I wouldn’t ask for 70,000 emails and addresses, that’s where i would stop, but others would do it because they can…

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,692]

On 23/08/2024 at 13:58, BDA said:

These judgements really should include an executive summary. I'll have to set aside an afternoon to get through all that.

An Exec summary would mean that the gist of the judgement can be read and understood in 7.5 minutes. Can you imagine the impact on that for next year's holiday in Europe and the lease payments on the new Bentley?

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,692]

23 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Not me Cap'n, just don't like somebody who won't accept the umpire's decision

You'd be spew'in about Tommy Mac a week ago then.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,692]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i know.

It still doesn’t impress me that my personal information can be given out to anyone. I don’t approve and will be a consideration before i renew my Membership 

That train left the station 15 years ago.

Edited August 24 by Queanbeyan Demon
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[Redleg 39,937]

15 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i know.

It still doesn’t impress me that my personal information can be given out to anyone. I don’t approve and will be a consideration before i renew my Membership 

Your personal info is out there anyway, no matter what you allow or disallow.

Do you get unwanted/unsolicited emails and calls? I do regularly and there is basically no way to stop them.

I regularly block spam callers and emailers and they just use other names and addresses.

It should have nothing to do with you stopping MFC membership, that would be the least of the problem in this area.

 

[Superunknown 4,046]

26 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Your personal info is out there anyway, no matter what you allow or disallow.

Do you get unwanted/unsolicited emails and calls? I do regularly and there is basically no way to stop them.

I regularly block spam callers and emailers and they just use other names and addresses.

It should have nothing to do with you stopping MFC membership, that would be the least of the problem in this area.

 

That line of argument would support a surveillance state proponent.

It’s the principle and about informed consent. 
 

Just because someone has your email from a data leak or by scraping sites doesn’t invalidate the desire to control its release by entities with whom you have a relationship. 

[Swooper1987 3,202]

Re any president - they come and they go, usually with reputation diminished. That is the lot of public office. I admire Roffey's ability to keep out of football matters - that is a massive plus.  Time will tell on the other important off field matters.

 

[JJJ 991]

16 hours ago, dees189227 said:

So no one went to the presidents function last night to hear what she said?

I wonder what she'll say at the B&F

Yes I was there. She didn’t say anything of substance. Lots of motherhood statements and looking forward to 2025.  She kept to her little group of friends most of the night as did Pert. 

It was an awful event really. The mood around the club is terrible. 

[dazzledavey36 52,641]

5 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Yes I was there. She didn’t say anything of substance. Lots of motherhood statements and looking forward to 2025.  She kept to her little group of friends most of the night as did Pert. 

It was an awful event really. The mood around the club is terrible. 

Thanks for the update J.

[FreedFromDesire 563]

9 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Yes I was there. She didn’t say anything of substance. Lots of motherhood statements and looking forward to 2025.  She kept to her little group of friends most of the night as did Pert. 

It was an awful event really. The mood around the club is terrible. 

Thanks very much for the information JJJ.

I know it's editorialising somewhat, but did you have a feeling from the room in terms of the former players, coterie and other close connections in regards to Kate? Would not be surprised if there was some malcontent and rumblings from those in that closer circle.

[beelzebub 23,168]

On 23/08/2024 at 09:02, BDA said:

Included in my definitions of nuffies are self-aggrandising types. Make promises they can't keep. Populist politicians. There's plenty of them about and they do get elected.

also, do you mind posting a link to the judgment Farmer? I'd like to have a read

Does that include someone , say, whose platform was delivering spanking new - state of the art facilities ? Asking for a friend.