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I was going to post this on the other Goody forum but it seems more appropriate to be posted on this one.

A fair few posters quote that Goody's record stacks up against the best in the business.  I don't agree but hadn't really looked at the numbers closely and his record stacks up slightly better than I thought it did.  To be fair, I compared coaches records at the end of their 8th season (ignoring what came after).  Goody had more flags than Mick Malthouse at that stage so ranks higher than Mick.  

49 coaches have had 8 seasons.  I ranked them on premierships, GFs, prelims, finals, and W-L records at the end of their 8th season.  If tied I compared the next stat ie ranking premierships, ties were broken by GFs played etc.

Goody's ranking is:

Premierships  28 out of 49 (Only 11 had 2+ flags)

GFs 36 out of 49 (27 had 2+ GFs)

Prelims 36 out of 49 (26 had 3+ prelims)

Finals 35 out of 49 (31 had 5+ finals)

W-L 30 out of 49

One small ray of hope is Goody equalled or ranked above Bomber Thompson, Leigh Matthews, Mick Malthouse, Hardwick, Chris Scott, John Kennedy Snr, Alan Jeans, Clarko, Frank Hughes and Malcolm Blight for premierships after 8 seasons. All of those coaches went on to win more flags from their 9th year on (several won multiple times). 

The coaches who went on to win more flags at the club they started are a smaller group (Clarko, C Scott, Hardwick, Bomber Thompson).  Most of the others changed clubs and had a new list when they had the majority of their success.

This won't end debate on how good a coach Goody is, with some still ranking him up their with Norm Smith and others ranking him with Bill Stephen (didn't make finals in his first 8 seasons at Fitzroy). It is a reasonable dataset that compares all of the coaches at the same stage of their coaching career removing that bias.

I hope we sort out our off field distractions and give Goody a good run at it next year.  I feel our superstar players are 28-32 and this will be our last real shot for a while.

 

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Just the title on the other thread makes me nauseous.  Goodwin has delivered a period of sustained success.  No real evidence of disharmony at the club. His career tracks alot like Luke

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Goodwin has one more chance next year to turn it around imv.  We built a list to play a brand of footy that won us a flag. And much of that core had certain attributes suited to the type of game

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Hard to beat 2021-2023, went on a 17 game winning run which most of us haven’t seen before and probably never will again. A flag in the middle of that run.  Have faith he will  have us competing aga

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1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

I was going to post this on the other Goody forum but it seems more appropriate to be posted on this one.

A fair few posters quote that Goody's record stacks up against the best in the business.  I don't agree but hadn't really looked at the numbers closely and his record stacks up slightly better than I thought it did.  To be fair, I compared coaches records at the end of their 8th season (ignoring what came after).  Goody had more flags than Mick Malthouse at that stage so ranks higher than Mick.  

49 coaches have had 8 seasons.  I ranked them on premierships, GFs, prelims, finals, and W-L records at the end of their 8th season.  If tied I compared the next stat ie ranking premierships, ties were broken by GFs played etc.

Goody's ranking is:

Premierships  28 out of 49 (Only 11 had 2+ flags)

GFs 36 out of 49 (27 had 2+ GFs)

Prelims 36 out of 49 (26 had 3+ prelims)

Finals 35 out of 49 (31 had 5+ finals)

W-L 30 out of 49

One small ray of hope is Goody equalled or ranked above Bomber Thompson, Leigh Matthews, Mick Malthouse, Hardwick, Chris Scott, John Kennedy Snr, Alan Jeans, Clarko, Frank Hughes and Malcolm Blight for premierships after 8 seasons. All of those coaches went on to win more flags from their 9th year on (several won multiple times). 

The coaches who went on to win more flags at the club they started are a smaller group (Clarko, C Scott, Hardwick, Bomber Thompson).  Most of the others changed clubs and had a new list when they had the majority of their success.

This won't end debate on how good a coach Goody is, with some still ranking him up their with Norm Smith and others ranking him with Bill Stephen (didn't make finals in his first 8 seasons at Fitzroy). It is a reasonable dataset that compares all of the coaches at the same stage of their coaching career removing that bias.

I hope we sort out our off field distractions and give Goody a good run at it next year.  I feel our superstar players are 28-32 and this will be our last real shot for a while.

 

There's aother  instinctive way to analyse coaches players and teams

How much do  opposition supporters hate opposition players teams and coaches ?

I suggest that no one really cares about any of those aspects of MFC.

They're considered about as bland and irrelevant as the Dogs.

Two exceptions. One Dog and one Demon ...but even they arnt " hated"

 

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38 minutes ago, IRW said:

There's aother  instinctive way to analyse coaches players and teams

How much do  opposition supporters hate opposition players teams and coaches ?

I suggest that no one really cares about any of those aspects of MFC.

They're considered about as bland and irrelevant as the Dogs.

Two exceptions. One Dog and one Demon ...but even they arnt " hated"

 

I don't think many people hate Longmire, who is generally considered a very good coach. I don't think they hated Parkin or Blight, either.

Re the post from Watson11: we have to remember that a coach who has lasted 8 seasons is probably much better than many coaches. Poor coaches don't last anything like that long. So the statistics are against quality, not coaches as a whole.

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3 hours ago, IRW said:

There's aother  instinctive way to analyse coaches players and teams

How much do  opposition supporters hate opposition players teams and coaches ?

I suggest that no one really cares about any of those aspects of MFC.

They're considered about as bland and irrelevant as the Dogs.

Two exceptions. One Dog and one Demon ...but even they arnt " hated"

 

But we are hated. By the media. 

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4 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I would suggest if you are going to post something like that you give some creedence to it otherwise it just becomes an unsubstantiated rumor.

Just chatter and rumours.. hopefully not more than that 

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28 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Do tell.

Ross Lyon was appointed coach of St Kilda on 24 October 2022 so there's oodles of time if the club thinks Simon should seek other opportunities. 

If Goodwin was asked to leave now I think the club would just implode.

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On 17/09/2024 at 21:40, deespicable me said:

But we are hated. By the media. 

Not as much as we hate them Deespicable, swings and roundabouts, let’s hope we close them out when we have our next run at it…..!!

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58 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

Anyone hearing chatter about the coach and his position? 

Yes the players are lining up to stay with us….!!

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