CASEY: Rd 18 vs UWS Giants

[DubDee 25,854]

If Callum Brown isn't getting a game I hope we are offering him a big deal to tempt him across

[spirit of norm smith 16,450]

They LOST the unloseable !!! 
 

Goalkicking atrocious 

HORRIBLE 

who teaches them. 

REALLY BAD 

it costs you games 

Best. White, Edwards, Sparrow (1st half). Rest were poor. 
 

Hunter.  Delisted surely.  

Edited July 27 by spirit of norm smith
@how could they lose that

[DeeZee 7,392]

That was painful to watch 

[whatwhat say what 22,747]

sparrow had a quarter and a half of leather poisoning in the first hour and then a half of nothingness in the second

he either doesn't have the fitness base to play full-time as a mid or he is not working hard enough for long enough...they may seem like the same thing but i personally don't think they are

fullarton's clearance work was excellent, he ran hard, and he got monstered in the ruck

hore and sestan the next best for the dees

jefferson's set shot kicking has gone to pieces

[Demon Jack 6,909]

24 minutes ago, DubDee said:

If Callum Brown isn't getting a game I hope we are offering him a big deal to tempt him across

You'd think either him or Riccardi would be gettable at years end. Their forward line is stacked, especially with guys like Cadman and Gruzewski now pushing for regular selection.

[DubDee 25,854]

This is why Brown didn't get selected. Young kid, inconsistent. He'll learn

But some posters will still say appalling treatment of our young kids

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

This is why Brown didn't get selected. Young kid, inconsistent. He'll learn

But some posters will still say appalling treatment of our young kids

Spoke with Chocco about this very subject yesterday, Dub. It was about Spaz but it applies to all the players, especially the kids. He said they’re not just dropped without explanation. There are sports psychologists, and counsellors (available 24/7) who talk decisions through at length with them.

I mentioned Jacquie Louder who works for Collingwood. She sits on the bench on gameday and talks to the players as they come on and off.  She’s a bit a mum figure. Chocco asked me if I want that job with us. I politely declined since I’ll be too busy doing Reece’s job. 😁

[MrFreeze 1,965]

36 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

sparrow had a quarter and a half of leather poisoning in the first hour and then a half of nothingness in the second

he either doesn't have the fitness base to play full-time as a mid or he is not working hard enough for long enough...they may seem like the same thing but i personally don't think they are

fullarton's clearance work was excellent, he ran hard, and he got monstered in the ruck

hore and sestan the next best for the dees

jefferson's set shot kicking has gone to pieces

Sparrow is a interesting one, he always had a very high work rate in attack and defence in the firsts. Maybe some of that is at HF where the demand is not as great compared to that of full time stoppage midfielder.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they tagged him in the 2nd half to take him out of the game. 

Edited July 27 by MrFreeze

[Redleg 40,905]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

yes

big across the shoulders, and a good size - moves to the right spots to impact play and - perhaps unlike his dad - has excellent defensive effort

max gruzewski has all 5 uw$ goals

good key forward; bring him home mfc

We know his dad Jeremy and he was hoping Dees would draft him.

Edited July 27 by Redleg

[Redleg 40,905]

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

That was painful to watch 

I only saw the last quarter and it was perhaps the most skilless one by Casey I have ever seen in a game of footy and I include under 7’s vic kick.

 

Edited July 27 by Redleg

[leave it to deever 17,511]

47 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Sparrow is a interesting one, he always had a very high work rate in attack and defence in the firsts. Maybe some of that is at HF where the demand is not as great compared to that of full time stoppage midfielder.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they tagged him in the 2nd half to take him out of the game. 

I don't really think he's our best 22 by a long way.

It's his sixth season this year and as a mid he has consistently amassed 15 disposals each game.

He either lacks fitness or just plain midfielder skill. ie reading the play.

In any event it was a big call for the Fd to drop such a regular player. Not something that is done very often 

From all reports today, its hard to see him get back into the Seniors.

He's probably better off playing stints on the fwd line .

 

Edited July 27 by leave it to deever

[Little Goffy 14,530]

Main things I learned.

Jefferson continues to develop but as he grows in some crucial facets that people were very worried about like the contested work and leading patterns, an early favourable aspects in his set shots has suffered a bit. I feel comfortable with the progress in as much as it is the 'hardest to learn' stuff which he seems to be making progress in.

Yze appears to be a legit prospect, which is nice. And if you drop an Yze sandwich on the floor you get a Gruzewski.

And Casey needs go recruit and reorganise in a major way.

And the VFL is being relentlessly disrespected by The Corporation.

[Older demon 2,741]

Disappointing buit if you kick 6. 15 you cannot expect to win. Awful conditions to play in and in the end a few bigger bodies at GWS turned it around. Callum Brown had a monster last quarter. The old adage pick it up and kick it. 

No BBB must surely mean his knee has the better of him, sad to say. Not sure why McAdam was out. Even more surprising was playing all the emergencies.

The good was glimpses of what Jefferson is capable of. Verral and Fullarton are ok as ruck rovers but have a long way to go as tap ruckman, another day of outdone in the ruck. Yze is a big lad who is well-balanced and strong in the contest. I like some of Sestans work with clearance and hitting targets he just needs to get it more often. Sparrow was good in the first half and was in the best, just the response the selection team needed to see 

I didn't like how GWS got the ball out the back just like Freo did to the seniors last week. I hope the coaches took note and adjust our defensive zone because once it gets out the back we get slaughtered.

 

[Nascent 9,212]

How did Jeffo go?

[whatwhat say what 22,747]

3 minutes ago, Nascent said:

How did Jeffo go?

lead hard, great below the knees, couldn't sit the side of a barn with his set shots

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,780]

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

They LOST the unloseable !!! 
 

Goalkicking atrocious 

HORRIBLE 

who teaches them. 

REALLY BAD 

it costs you games 

Best. White, Edwards, Sparrow (1st half). Rest were poor. 
 

Hunter.  Delisted surely.  

I thought Hore and Tomlinson looked pretty good…. But who was on the guy who got their first 6 goals?

[Jaded No More 68,913]

Goal kicking is the easiest of all “flaws” to fix in a tall forward. The fact Jefferson is getting better with his marking leading and contest below the knees is what matters most. 
Needs to keep applying himself and impacting the contest physically. When you look at JVR and Disco, they’re certainly not perfect yet but they both attack the contest and repeatedly hit packs and make a contest. That is by far the most important thing for a young forward to do. Sounds like Jefferson is getting there. 

[monoccular 17,427]

2 hours ago, Heart Beats True said:

That’s an atrocious decision. He must be on the take to pay that FFS.

Maybe he is auditioning for AFL - atrocious decisions are mandatory.

Did Kynan Brown play?

Is Yze tracking as hoped?

Edited July 27 by monoccular

[chook fowler 19,458]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

If Callum Brown isn't getting a game I hope we are offering him a big deal to tempt him across

We would have more Brown than a Werribee treatment plant.

[whatwhat say what 22,747]

31 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Maybe he is auditioning for AFL - atrocious decisions are mandatory.

Did Kynan Brown play?

Is Yze tracking as hoped?

could be! very mfcss of you...

yes, nothing much to write home about this week

yes, he's a good size and moves well in / out of stoppages and has good defensive intent

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

33 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Needs to keep applying himself and impacting the contest physically. When you look at JVR and Disco, they’re certainly not perfect yet but they both attack the contest and repeatedly hit packs and make a contest. That is by far the most important thing for a young forward to do. Sounds like Jefferson is getting there. 

Yes times 1000.

A forward line with presence creates fear and doubt (perceived or otherwise) in defences, creating opportunities that wouldn’t be there if your forward line is not feared.

[Redleg 40,905]

39 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

We would have more Brown than a Werribee treatment plant.

50% of our Brown will be gone soon.

[spirit of norm smith 16,450]

59 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

I thought Hore and Tomlinson looked pretty good…. But who was on the guy who got their first 6 goals?

Yes!!! Gruzewski kicked 6. Moved like a Forward.  Kicked like a Forward.  We overlooked h in the draft.  🤮🤮🤮

[Whispering_Jack 30,054]

Similar score line to the last AFL game between the Demons and the Giants.

Surely that can’t be repeated a third time tonight?

[BAMF 4,351]

40 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes!!! Gruzewski kicked 6. Moved like a Forward.  Kicked like a Forward.  We overlooked h in the draft.  🤮🤮🤮

Hardly. 

We took Jefferson (pick 15) who was widely touted as the 2nd best forward in the draft behind Cadman (pick 1)

Gruzewski (pick 22) had a few question marks on him at the time and went at the start of the second round. We didnt have another pick until Adams (pick 38).

Gruzewski was playing forward and back and was listed at the same height as JVR who we had taken a year earlier. We needed a taller player to compliment him and it was an obvious decision to pick Jefferson. 

With neither Jefferson or Gruzewski playing much/any AFL matches, it's way to early for any comparisons or wrist slashing.

I would be happy if we were targeting him for a trade though.