Oliver Trade Rumours

[Oxdee 325]

24 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Geelong pretty much offered that by all reports or at least something along those lines so I think it's a bit unders. I reckon he's worth $900,000 and a top 10 pick. That's a deal the I think the club may of been able to stomach.

More like a future 1st pick which Melbourne wasn’t interested in considering the supposed strength of this years draft 

[KozzyCan 754]

It's funny that if that Trade Whisperer account was posing that Oliver was gone people would be raging and saying it's complete bs.

[greenwaves 489]

8 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

It's funny that if that Trade Whisperer account was posing that Oliver was gone people would be raging and saying it's complete bs.

Yeah, people pick out the information that suits them and ignore the rest.  Classic confirmation bias.

Edited October 13 by greenwaves

[Ollie fan 3,322]

The only confirmation bias on this topic is this: all the senior club officials have said, he will not go. He is a much loved player, has been an absolute champion, and there is a good chance that he will be again. 
 

If he were to be traded to another club, with us paying one cent of his salary while he dominated against us, all supporters would be absolutely up in arms. The club officials would have to admit they were liars.
 

This is not going to happen.

[Redleg 40,740]

On the positive side, at least 11 months of peace hopefully, before the Tracc and Clarry rumours resurface.

[greenwaves 489]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

On the positive side, at least 11 months of peace hopefully, before the Tracc and Clarry rumours resurface.

...and possibly Pickett.  

[KozzyCan 754]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

On the positive side, at least 11 months of peace hopefully, before the Tracc and Clarry rumours resurface.

If we have another bad season the best case scenario would be those two having good individual seasons without incident then we can do what Richmond did this year and trade them to fund our rebuild.

[Redleg 40,740]

5 minutes ago, greenwaves said:

...and possibly Pickett.  

Hopefully he has a new friend in Ricky Mentha and can't bear to leave him.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,074]

14 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

If he were to be traded to another club, with us paying one cent of his salary while he dominated against us, all supporters would be absolutely up in arms.

This is the reason the club shut the deal down in my opinion, too much supporter backlash especially after the Trac debacle.

[mo64 5,827]

3 hours ago, Melonmonster said:

No idea wtf the trade whisperer is but 🙌

Is this you @Ethan Tremblay?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,739]

32 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Is this you @Ethan Tremblay?

Yo. Nope, it’s Tony Sheahan. The crab stole it from me. 

[Great Sage 64]

Is Mackie the new Adrian Dodoro, promising the world to the player but only offering unders for the trade?

[rufus 1,140]

38 minutes ago, Great Sage said:

Is Mackie the new Adrian Dodoro, promising the world to the player but only offering unders for the trade?

It's actually a little ironic...if the reports are true that he doesn't feel wanted by Melb then how wanted do you feel by a club that seem to think your valued at about pick 20 and half your current salary?

[Palace Dees 2,247]

7 hours ago, Redleg said:

On the positive side, at least 11 months of peace hopefully, before the Tracc and Clarry rumours resurface.

11 weeks would be my guess

[BLWNBA 897]

On 11/10/2024 at 23:25, deejammin' said:

Thank you very much for your excellent and informative response BLWNA. 
Out of interest what was the impetuous for the Fair work Ombudsman stating they were legally distinct (because tone is near impossible online I’m asking because I’m curious, not challenging you). Was there a particular case that established this?

Also, at the risk of derailing this thread further (although let’s face it, it’s way off the cliff now). What are the chances Pert could include external pressure and site sources like these articles as part of a wrongful dismissal suit should the MFC ever sack him?

I think the defamation question is still interesting though (to me), if Pert can show a pattern of behaviour undermining his position and casting doubt on his reputation as part of a wider and longer defamation suit. Given Barrett has a long history with him, back to the Collingwood days, would these comments not be part of that pattern even if protected by being a journalistic comment or are they excluded entirely?

Apologies mate, I’m travelling at the moment and have fleeting access at best. Really appreciate the thoughtful response, well composed and some good points. 
 

The Fair Work Ombudsman decision related to a decision made in 2015 which determined that employees of AFL Media, were in fact independent journalists and able to collectively engage in negotiations over their pay and conditions under a new collective bargaining agreement. The AFL Media disputed this, instead suggesting that they were communications personnel employed by the AFL. Essentially, the AFL claimed they were sports administration professionals, whereas the employees and Media, Entertainment and Arts Association claimed they were journalists. 
 

The decision essentially visited the position of the MEAA and journalists and held that the journalists were independent journalists and news professionals tasked with producing, collating and disseminating products including the AFL website, the AFL Record (prior to Croc Media acquiring this product), and associated video content on YouTube (amongst many other publications). 
 

On point two, Pert would essentially have to prove that his dismissal was harsh, unjust or unfair. Central to this, would be the examination of the board’s conduct and it would need to be determined if the dismissal related to Pert’s conduct or performance, amongst other factors. Unfortunately, as a hypothetical, it’s just too difficult in my view to conclusively discuss. 

Regarding point three, once again the issue would be determining if defamation has occurred. Patterns can be aggravating, however, I truly do not see anything that Barrett has said as being defamatory; although the protections would still likely apply (though I note each individual claim would be examined on its own merit, but regardless would be held to tendency and patterns). 
 

Apologies for taking this thread sideways, once again! 

[daisycutter 29,568]

some interesting reading for background info on afl media

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AFL Media

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

AFL Media is an Australian sports media company operated by the Australian Football League (AFL) to provide coverage of the league and the sport of Australian rules football.

History

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Established in 2012, AFL Media provides content to AFL.com.au and the AFL Live mobile app, and formerly published the AFL Record from 2012 to 2018. Although Telstra currently holds the digital media broadcasting rights for AFL games, there is an agreement in place that allows AFL.com.au to host video content from Telstra Media.^[1] Telstra also receives the advertising revenue from the website.^[2] Although AFL Media is located in the same building as the AFL's headquarters in Docklands, Victoria, it employs an independent editorial and journalist team to report on the league and produce content on its various mediums.^[2]

Since its inception as a business, AFL Media had published the match-day AFL Record; however Crocmedia acquired the publishing arm of AFL Media in July 2018, and will assume the operations of producing the AFL Record and its related brands from 2019.^[3]

Controversy regarding the standing down of Mitch Cleary

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The standing down of Mitch Cleary was a controversy was a dispute centred around AFL Media's decision to stand down journalist Mitch Cleary for posting a tweet revealing Brooke Cotchin, the wife of Richmond Tigers player Trent Cotchin, had breached the Australian Football League‘s (AFL) social distancing rules in the interstate "hubs" that all Victorian and New South Wales AFL teams were in following a resurgence of COVID-19 in Victoria and New South Wales.^[4] The move was widely condemned as a “betrayal of journalism”, and it led to widespread public backlash, with many figures urging AFL Media to reinstate him to his position.^[5][6] Among the figures calling for his reinstatement was Brooke Cotchin, who voiced her support for Cleary in a tweet.^[7] Due to the backlash, AFL Media eventually walked back on their decision, reinstating Mitch Cleary to his previous position.^[8]

Reactions and aftermath

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Journalist Caroline Wilson recommended that Cleary, who she deemed a "serious journo", should stop working for AFL Media.^[9] After the incident, fellow AFL Media journalist Damian Barrett declared his support for the AFL’s decision, a statement which was widely criticised.^[10][11][12]

The controversy resulted in a significant worsening of approval towards AFL Media, with several figures, including president of the Collingwood Football Club Eddie McGuire and radio broadcaster Gerard Whateley, stating that it had undermined the image of AFL Media as being independent from the Australian Football League.^[13][6] Journalist Rohan Connolly deemed the event a "disaster", and he stated that it was the product of a gradual decline in the quality of AFL Media's reporting. He went on to state that the event could undermine public confidence in the AFL.^[14]

Content

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AFL Media provides content for a range of digital products including AFL.com.au and the 18 clubs' official websites, the AFL Live mobile app and the various social media channels operated by the AFL on platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat and Instagram.^[1] It also produces a range of podcasts and online videos analysing various aspects of the AFL, as well as operating the league's photography and film departments: AFL Photos and AFL Films, respectively.^[1][15]

It has been speculated that AFL Media could potentially control the broadcast of AFL games in future broadcasting agreements, and either directly sell to audiences itself or on-sell the content to free-to-air and subscription television networks.^[15][16]

Criticism

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Due to its direct affiliation with the Australian Football League, AFL Media has received criticism from rival media outlets and journalists questioning whether it can truly provide independent coverage of the league, and that it is not just a public relations tool.^[1][15] Former St Kilda coach Grant Thomas publicly reiterated this criticism in 2016, stating that AFL Media was "avoiding" reporting on several controversial issues to protect the AFL's brand.^[17]

[Willmoy1947 4,065]

Happy to continue with my maggot comments with reinvigorated conviction.

[daisycutter 29,568]

@BLWNBAgiven the journos at afl media are described as "independent journalists", is this like saying the journos are non-permanent, contracted staff(employees), paid by afl media which is owned by the afl?

just like many organisation employ non-permanent contract workers, or is it different?

 

[Brownie 5,951]

16 hours ago, rufus said:

It's actually a little ironic...if the reports are true that he doesn't feel wanted by Melb then how wanted do you feel by a club that seem to think your valued at about pick 20 and half your current salary?

Yeah but he gets to contemplate how much they want him while enjoying the solitude on his farm.

[Roost it far 8,069]

All quiet on the Oliver front this morning. Must be real news to report......Like the hapless, beleaguered, wretch of a club securing pick 9 to add to pick 5 in a strong draft......all from a team that hasn't fired a shot for 20 plus years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[Willmoy1947 4,065]

8 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

All quiet on the Oliver front this morning. Must be real news to report......Like the hapless, beleaguered, wretch of a club securing pick 9 to add to pick 5 in a strong draft......all from a team that hasn't fired a shot for 20 plus years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

You are too nice RIF.

[greenwaves 489]

27 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

All quiet on the Oliver front this morning. Must be real news to report......Like the hapless, beleaguered, wretch of a club securing pick 9 to add to pick 5 in a strong draft......all from a team that hasn't fired a shot for 20 plus years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Footy Furnace did report that we'll get pick nine, but still called the club "a mess"

Edited October 14 by greenwaves

[Garbo 1,514]

On 13/10/2024 at 13:02, Oxdee said:

The only reason Oliver hasn’t been traded is because he doesn’t have any takers willing to satisfy Melbourne’s conditions. 

If a club were willing to pay 75% of his salary and hand over pick 15 then Melbourne would have offloaded him. 

As it stands today Oliver is worth $750k per year for 2 years and pick 15-20. 
 

Oliver is on 1.3 mill a year for the rest of his contract, even 75% is still over a mill a year and no one can afford that for a non top line player, plus we would still want good picks back. We already have his contract baked into our cap so not an issue for us.

At this point unless Oliver gets back to his form form line prior to 2023 no team will take him on his contract alone unless we paid at least half, let alone give any decent picks back in which case why bother trading. If Oliver truly wants out his only chance is to get his best form back then someone will take him at his full contract and give us picks we want back.

[Clintosaurus 7,800]

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

@BLWNBAgiven the journos at afl media are described as "independent journalists", is this like saying the journos are non-permanent, contracted staff(employees), paid by afl media which is owned by the afl?

just like many organisation employ non-permanent contract workers, or is it different?

 

I'd say the employment status in terms of independence versus editorial control are two very different things.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,587]

It's as impossible as Petracca to get a trade even if either player wants one.