Oliver Trade Rumours

[drdrake 3,133]

7 minutes ago, Purple77 said:

I cannot tell you how relieved I am that Clayton is likely staying. 

This was legitimately my breaking point, and was ready to deactivate the account, cancel membership and everything. 

For shame MFC that this even happened.

I'm the opposite, all for trading Oliver if the trade value was worth it.  On about 1 million a year to play AFL, that is your job, it's your responsibility to prepare yourself to perform your best.

The club has a small window to cut him loose or you are stuck with him for the length of his contract.  Next year If he turns up and plays like he did this year no club will want him including Melbourne.

The only reason Melbourne won't trade him is because the return for him is no where near adequate.

Edited Thursday at 22:28 by drdrake

[Jaded No More 68,591]

Remember this: trading Clarry for a packet of stale chips is always an option. 
Finding another talent like Clarry, is not. 

[drdrake 3,133]

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

Remember this: trading Clarry for a packet of stale chips is always an option. 
Finding another talent like Clarry, is not. 

What Clarry are you talking about the star or the one that played in 2024.

[Jaded No More 68,591]

3 minutes ago, drdrake said:

What Clarry are you talking about the star or the one that played in 2024.

Of course the star. He’s had many more years of being a star, than being just an ok player. 
He had a poor year mainly due to his lack of fitness and injuries, where he still was firmly in our best 22. 

If we were trading him and getting a good player in return, that’s an entirely different proposition. But to trade him for very little, is a catastrophic list management decision that should come as the absolute very last resort. Not after 18 bad months in a career of 8 years that’s been a roaring success. 
 

And by the way, if people think Clarry has gone from a Bible study nerd to a problem child in the last 18 months, then they’re wrong. He’s always had challenges, even when he was winning back to back AAs, B&Fs and coaches awards. 

Edited Thursday at 22:34 by Jaded No More

[bluey 1,041]

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Remember this: trading Clarry for a packet of stale chips is always an option. 
Finding another talent like Clarry, is not. 

Go down to Centrelink champ and look around, you will see a lot of hubris, with similar traits.

[Vitamin Dee 863]

What a few days.

Packing blood pressure tables and nappies to get me through. 

[demoniac 1,316]

I've been a member since squadron days in the 70s and I'll be a member till I shuffle off into the great beyond.

We may have reached a point where it is not tenable for Oliver to stay. In any relationship between an organisation and employee there are always limits of patience and trust. We should know if that point has been reached today.

The deal may not be ideal but we get cap space, some trade return like Cats 2025 First which may be in the high teens/early 20 and much needed clean air.

Then we're looking at more clean air, those responsible for not upholding cultural standards and expectations, and for the what now seems a high risk Oliver extension. Pert, Richardson, Lamb go.

Goodwin is a challenge because of soft cap. Revisit end of 2025 when its only a one year payout. If we are not playing a competitive game style he goes. Advised he needs to accept that players won't be indulged as they have been.  Players don't have to be choir boys but the leeway will be much smaller.

Board needs to address its oversight failures.

[Mickey 4,519]

This is [censored] bananas

[demoncat 1,020]

Glad to hear that we won’t be trading him - it would have ripped the heart of of so many supporters and been a slap in the face to Clarry 

But the absolute [censored] show this has been can’t be ignored and it is embarrassing to once again be  the laughing stock of the completion 

If we’re going to keep kicking own goals, the next media story that comes out better be that Green is shopping Pert around (although I presume there will be no takers…)

 

[praha 11,214]

6 minutes ago, drdrake said:

What Clarry are you talking about the star or the one that played in 2024.

One bad season after...

4 B&F

2x AFLCA awards

3x All-Australian

2x Coaches MVP

List goes on...

And before he turned 26.

Also he played a full season after no pre-season. And still averaged above average stats for a midfielder. After being "Elite" in every category for most of his career.

Insanity how quickly people both internally and externally are jumping off one of the all time greats after one bad season.

[Heart Beats True 1,118]

I won’t believe anything until I hear it from the club or player. I personally think we are too far down the track not to trade him now. He needs to go.

[Oxdee 286]

32 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

What a disgusting mismanagement of a HUMAN BEING!

As I said yesterday, you cannot use Clarry as a pawn in some sick game to make yourself appear to be fixing our culture. 
You are dealing with someone who loves and is committed to this club, or at least was, who is struggling with his mental health. You play with him, saying we want you, while also shopping him around, deluded to think he won’t find out. 
His management team, the same team who manages one C Petracca, must be shaking their head in disgusting.

And all the while, you wonder why nobody wants to come to this club, or why our culture stinks. This is why it stinks. You can trade away 1, 10, 44 players, but if the clowns running this circus remain, then guess what? The culture will continue to stink! 

You do realise that no one but those close to Oliver and the club knows exactly what transpired. I would hold off from making conclusions until the full story is told 

[picket fence 16,797]

13 minutes ago, Tracca said:

Again you are jumping to conclusions. Let’s wait and see what happens tonight then happy to stand next to you with pitchforks 

After all is done, Pert, Richardson and Goodwin can all leave! 

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,169]

What did he do on Brownlow night ?

[DeeZee 7,347]

Football history is littered with star players touring opposition facilities or meeting with other clubs to sound out a  possible move but then deciding to stay at their original club, and clubs often shop around players.

It’s a business , but somehow everything we do is blown out of proportion by the hungry for blood media with all sorts of rumours leaving us with a lot of innuendo but no real truth.

[Wrecker46 2,893]

3 minutes ago, At Least I Saw a Flag said:

What did he do on Brownlow night ?

I'm more interested in what he does in the preseason

[Roost it far 7,606]

8 minutes ago, Mickey said:

This is [censored] bananas

Absolutely

[Roost it far 7,606]

2 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

I'm more interested in what he does in the preseason

I would of sent him to the Red Bull camp with Petracca. 

[BDA 22,396]

I have no problem with the club trying to offload him. He fell well short of a $1m player last year and he's falling below the standards again re Brownlow night and missed appts.

We have stuffed up royalty in 2 areas:

The media were always going to get wind of any attempts by the club to make contact with other clubs. I don't think it was possible to keep under wraps. But i don't see how we could have thought another club would be interested or give anything like fair value given his performance last year and known behavioural issues. Once you start making the calls your on the nose for any fallout.

Given his problems throughout his career I think it was foreseeable that issues would arise again. Offering this contract looks like very poor list management. This is the big mistake the club have to wear now.

Cornes is right. We have handled ourselves badly in all this. I just hope Clarry can return to something like his old self.

[layzie 33,276]

1 hour ago, Maxie said:

Nah. Got an email offering scarves for $9. Much more important😤

Gee not bad. 

[Brownie 5,920]

41 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

What a disgusting mismanagement of a HUMAN BEING!

As I said yesterday, you cannot use Clarry as a pawn in some sick game to make yourself appear to be fixing our culture. 
You are dealing with someone who loves and is committed to this club, or at least was, who is struggling with his mental health. You play with him, saying we want you, while also shopping him around, deluded to think he won’t find out. 
His management team, the same team who manages one C Petracca, must be shaking their head in disgusting.

And all the while, you wonder why nobody wants to come to this club, or why our culture stinks. This is why it stinks. You can trade away 1, 10, 44 players, but if the clowns running this circus remain, then guess what? The culture will continue to stink! 

I'm with you Jaded.

What does this do for Clarry's mindset and wellbeing.

He's knuckled down and honoured his commitment all year by most reports.

He's fallen off the wagon once at the Brownlow by the sounds of it.

Don't think he'd be the first player to go on a bender at the Brownlow.

It's a two way street.

We now have two of our best who don't want to be here.

Who the hell is leaking all this stuff?

It's white anting the club big time.

 

[Demons11 6,742]

16 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Glad to hear that we won’t be trading him - it would have ripped the heart of of so many supporters and been a slap in the face to Clarry 

But the absolute [censored] show this has been can’t be ignored and it is embarrassing to once again be  the laughing stock of the completion 

If we’re going to keep kicking own goals, the next media story that comes out better be that Green is shopping Pert around (although I presume there will be no takers…)

 

Que all the I told you so’s next year who if he has a bad game say we should have traded him. 

[old55 22,956]

53 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

We started this. We called around and asked if clubs would deal. 

He gets all the way down the path and wants out. 

We complain there isn’t enough value in a proposed trade. 

All of which was completely foreseeable. 

As if we didn’t think clubs would refrain from throwing massive draft pick hauls given his recent history? As if we didn’t think throwing his name out there for the second year in a row would create a major media storm and [censored] Clarry off?

All the parts of this that have been within our control have been mismanaged by us. 

 

49 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Either pull the trigger or don’t put your finger on the trigger in the first place.

Not pulling the trigger now guarantees a [censored] show.  Our cultural reset will be set back many, many years.

Agree. Either Pert or Oliver has to go.

[dazzledavey36 53,207]

Genuine laughing stock we are.

Can't wait to go through another year of Clayton Oliver distraction and noise. Which player is on baby sitting duties next year? 

But you do you Melbourne. 

[The Jackson FIX 2,824]

3 minutes ago, Brownie said:

He's fallen off the wagon once at the Brownlow by the sounds of it.

Maybe there was/is a zero-tolerance agreement in place with Clayton. In fact I hope there is after what he put the club, its employees, his teammates and us supporters through last year.

 

5 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Don't think he'd be the first player to go on a bender at the Brownlow.

After all that has transpired, if he doesn’t understand that going on a bender at the Brownlow is a bad idea, then I’ll be furious if we don’t move him on. We’ll never solve for the problems at our club if we don't start holding people accountable.