Cranky Franky 2,270 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Christian has always been one of my favourites. Tough, creative & with a bit of dash & laser like disposal. He should have been AA IN 2021. I thought he would be a regular AA & pick up a B&F. Since 21 he's been ill, picked up injury & generally lost some form. Not sure if he can be an elite player again. Quote
DistrACTION Jackson 10,705 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Has been injury prone since then, but there are many instances where players are injury prone for many years and then get their bodies right. Think Shaun Burgoyne, everyone thought he was cooked and then he ended up playing 400 games 🤯. Definitely not saying Salem will play 400, but I think we have to continue working with him to get his body cherry ripe. Important player when up and going. 6 1 Quote
adonski 13,239 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Elite when he can get a sustained run at it Demonland has a tendency to hate players whose main traits are skills + class 8 3 Quote
Mel Bourne 4,541 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 1 minute ago, Canplay said: Trade bait Salo will be 29 next year. He’s not “trade bait”, because most clubs would be wary of his health issues. Regarding these issues, it’s baffling to me how many posters attribute his form to “injuries” and overlook his thyroid condition - something the poor guy has had to manage the hell out of to stay on the ground. Another reason he’s not “trade bait” is because he’s been a champion for our club and has worked harder than most on our list have ever had to. He may one day have to concede it’s all too difficult, but until then he deserves our respect and not be reduced to such insults. 16 3 Quote
whatwhat say what 23,836 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 1 minute ago, adonski said: Elite when he can get a sustained run at it Demonland has a tendency to hate players whose main traits are skills + class This The biggest issue? Made of glass - his last ‘sustained run’ was in our premiership year Correlation, causation, etc… 3 Quote
binman 44,792 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 12 minutes ago, Canplay said: Trade bait Fair dinkum, that's just plain silly. Not that we would look to trade him. But that salo would be some sort of sought after 'trade bait', implying we would could put him up for a trade and get some sort of windfall in return. I mean, the first two posts in this thread both make good points. Points other clubs thinking of chasing him would well and truly agree with. As if another club would give up anything valuable, either a yrade or picks, for a player in the back half of his career with a history of a thyroid issue and various injuries. What did we got for jordon, a young player, albeit probably not in salo's class, with no injury issues who has been able to slot into the best 22 of the team on top of the ladder? 2 1 Quote
Cranky Franky 2,270 Posted June 30, 2024 Author Posted June 30, 2024 14 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said: it’s baffling to me how many posters attribute his form to “injuries” and overlook his thyroid condition - something the poor guy has had to manage the hell out of to stay on the ground. Another reason he’s not “trade bait” is because he’s been a champion for our club and has worked harder than most on our list have ever had to. He may one day have to concede it’s all too difficult, but until then he deserves our respect and not be reduced to such insults. I actually clearly pointed out that illness (thyroid problems) have had an impact. Quote
whatwhat say what 23,836 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 14 minutes ago, binman said: What did we got for jordon, a young player, albeit probably not in salo's class, with no injury issues who has been able to slot into the best 22 of the team on top of the ladder? Second round compo pick - about what he’s worth Would be lucky to get a second rounder for Salem given his injuries and age Worth far more to us than in a trade scenario 5 Quote
Mel Bourne 4,541 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 17 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said: I actually clearly pointed out that illness (thyroid problems) have had an impact. Sorry, it wasn’t clear but I was speaking in a more historical context. Previous posts on here over the past couple of years. Quote
DistrACTION Jackson 10,705 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 43 minutes ago, binman said: Fair dinkum, that's just plain silly. Not that we would look to trade him. But that salo would be some sort of sought after 'trade bait', implying we would could put him up for a trade and get some sort of windfall in return. I mean, the first two posts in this thread both make good points. Points other clubs thinking of chasing him would well and truly agree with. As if another club would give up anything valuable, either a yrade or picks, for a player in the back half of his career with a history of a thyroid issue and various injuries. What did we got for jordon, a young player, albeit probably not in salo's class, with no injury issues who has been able to slot into the best 22 of the team on top of the ladder? Demonland logic- said player is injury prone and we should trade them. But I expect a top 10 pick for them because no doubt other teams are stupid Quote
Redleg 42,142 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, adonski said: Demonland has a tendency to hate players whose main traits are skills + class Really? Edited June 30, 2024 by Redleg Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 2 hours ago, adonski said: Elite when he can get a sustained run at it Demonland has a tendency to hate players whose main traits are skills + class Ironic considering its what we need most. 1 Quote
DeeSpencer 26,667 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Lost a yard of pace due to injuries and not sure he really suits the new game plan given his default method is to get the ball to safety and find marks off half back when we want to encourage run. Midfield experiment got abandoned quickly when we had backline injuries and then he did a hammy. If Rivers goes on ball then Salem, Bowey, McVee even AMW are all a bit the same height wise and Howes doesn’t use his height so may as well be 185cm too We could do with a genuine back pocket with a bit of size and then have the half backs compete for 3 spots. The salary cap relief could be worth considering if we get a good useable pick too. If you got pick 25 and drafted a replacement who ready to go in 2-3 years you could put Salo’s wage towards a tall or on baller. 1 1 Quote
Demon Dynasty 17,164 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Christian Salem (Medium Defender 28yo 184cm) Rnd 0 to Rnd 4 vs Rnd 10 to 15 + H&A Season 2024 vs H&A Season 2021 Missed a few games here and there but the ratings / metrics below are all averaged for comparative purposes. Have not included his Rnd 5 game against the Lions due to being subbed super early after only 7% game time. #3 C Salem Rnd 0 to 4 Rnd 10 to 15 % Change 2021 2024 % Change Contested Poss 5.8 6.4 10.3 5.5 6.3 14.0 Uncontested Poss 13.4 17.0 26.9 17.5 15.5 -11.4 Effective Disposals* 13.8 18.8 36.2 19.4 16.5 -14.6 Disposal Effeciency % 75.7 80.1 4.3 76.3 79.1 2.8 Contested Marks* 0.0 0.4 - 0.1 0.2 42.1 Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.2 - 0.0 0.1 - One Percenters* 1.0 0.8 -20.0 1.2 0.9 -26.2 Clearances* 1.6 1.6 0.0 1.0 1.6 70.6 Rebound 50s* 3.0 2.8 -6.7 5.6 3.0 -45.3 Inside 50s* 2.2 2.4 9.1 2.1 2.3 9.0 Tackles* 3.8 2.6 -31.6 2.2 3.2 48.3 Score Inv'ments* 3.8 3.8 0.0 3.8 3.9 2.6 Meters Gained 367.6 338.0 -8.1 409.7 361.3 -11.8 Turnovers* 3.2 4.2 31.3 4.6 3.9 -16.5 Intercepts* 2.6 4.2 61.5 5.9 3.6 -39.8 Tackles Inside 50* 0.0 0.2 - 0.1 0.1 6.6 Time On Ground % 79.6 79.4 -0.2 86.4 81.4 -5.0 Goals* 0.2 0.0 -100.0 0.1 0.1 0.0 Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 - *DD's Player Rating 3.0 3.6 19.3 3.9 3.4 -13.2 Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com 2 Quote
Queanbeyan Demon 7,002 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 (edited) I love Salo. He's been a very good player, and although taken at no 9 in the 2013 draft, if the top ten picks from that draft were redrafted today, he'd be top five. We split pick two that year - essentially giving up Josh Kelly to GWR (i.e. Greater Waste of Resources) and receiving Salo and Dom Tyson who delivered two top five finishes in the 'Bluey'. Most importantly, Salo is a Melbourne premiership player. At worst most would say we broke even on the 2013 deal. Ten years on, I'd say we won the deal pretty handsomely. Thanks Roosy. So to answer your question @Cranky Franky, he's def better than the Jack Dyer good ordinary. Edited June 30, 2024 by Queanbeyan Demon 1 Quote
Swooper Northey 499 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Excellent player. Just hasn't had the continuity needed due to illness and injury. Hopefully he can can get a clear run in 2025. If so, he'll make an enormous difference. 2 Quote
Chook 15,068 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 Cooked by his thyroid stuff. Was elite before that. 1 Quote
Demonstone 23,549 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 48 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said: He's been a very good player, and although taken at no 9 in the 2013 draft, if the top ten picks from that draft were redrafted today, he'd be top five. I agree entirely with that assessment. However, given the chance, would you have preferred to pick any of these players taken later in the draft? All answers to be written of the back of a $100 note and sent to Captain Hindsight please. 13. P. Cripps 26. Z. Merrett 37. A. Pearce 43. T. Barrass 44. A. Aliir 56. J. Sicily 2 3 Quote
Queanbeyan Demon 7,002 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 1 minute ago, Demonstone said: I agree entirely with that assessment. However, given the chance, would you have preferred to pick any of these players taken later in the draft? All answers to be written of the back of a $100 note and sent to Captain Hindsight please. 13. P. Cripps 26. Z. Merrett 37. A. Pearce 43. T. Barrass 44. A. Aliir 56. J. Sicily Yeah - the clear miss is Cripps. Nine other clubs missed on him too. A senior recruiter from another club once told me that every other club would have taken Jack Watts at either one or two. The draft is part science, part Russian roulette. Sometime the barrel is loaded - sometimes it's not. 1 1 Quote
Queanbeyan Demon 7,002 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, Cranky Franky said: Christian has always been one of my favourites. Tough, creative & with a bit of dash & laser like disposal. He should have been AA IN 2021. I thought he would be a regular AA & pick up a B&F. Since 21 he's been ill, picked up injury & generally lost some form. Not sure if he can be an elite player again. This is a term I find bothersome @Cranky Franky. I think it arrived in the lexicon courtesy of that footy stats mob. It's pretty meaningless I think. For example, how does Callen Wilkie, who is probably ranked elite by footy central, make the AA side ahead of May last year? And how does the big sook Harris Andrews get a game in front of May? Since the retirement of Rance, May has been the outstanding backman in the game. He's stood the best, and beaten them, for the last six years. Edited June 30, 2024 by Queanbeyan Demon Typo 2 1 Quote
Guest Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 4 hours ago, Mel Bourne said: Sorry, it wasn’t clear but I was speaking in a more historical context. Previous posts on here over the past couple of years. I knew you weren’t replying in reference to the OP, and while I admire your diplomacy, this ridiculous post is what I believe prompted your (wonderful) reply. ⬇️ 5 hours ago, Canplay said: Trade bait Quote
Guest Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 6 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said: This is a term I find bothersome @Cranky Franky. I think it arrived in the lexicon courtesy of that footy stats mob. It's pretty meaningless I think. For example, how does Callen Wilkie, who is probably ranked elite by footy central, make the AA side ahead of May last year? And how does the big sook Harris Andrews get a game in front of May? Since the retirement of Rance, May has been the outstanding backman in the game. He's stood the best, and beaten them, for the last six years. I also don’t like the way ‘elite’ is used in the footy-world. The worst case of misuse of it was when Matthew Richardson once described a player as having ‘elite hands’ 😑🤔😵💫 Quote
Jaded No More 68,976 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 His body isn’t built for AFL unfortunately His last full season was 2021 and we all know how critical he was to us winning the flag. Quote
Queanbeyan Demon 7,002 Posted June 30, 2024 Posted June 30, 2024 4 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said: I also don’t like the way ‘elite’ is used in the footy-world. The worst case of misuse of it was when Matthew Richardson once described a player as having ‘elite hands’ 😑🤔😵💫 The only one with elite hands is Richo himself @WalkingCivilWar. Hope he uses a shed load of moisturizer. Quote
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