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  On 09/05/2024 at 12:53, Lexinator said:

I respectfully disagree. I reckon it was holding the ball too until I saw his knee dig into the turf. Lucky we didn't get 50 metres playing on thru Langdon and Pickett. 

His knee dug into the turf because he was dropping his knees to draw an in-the-back free.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 13:05, binman said:

    In the pre match thread I said I was not bullish about the match because of a huge number of variables, including:

    - what, if any, impact will the umpires have on the game?

    This game was taylormade for them to make an impact and they definitely manufactured this result like a master clay potter.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:25, spirit of norm smith said:

    JVR PERFECT TACKLE.  PERFECT.  

    UMPIRE SAYS DANGEROUS TACKLE. 

    WORST DECISION EVER.  EVER.  

    (Kozzy kicks to Langdon goal). 
     

    and so many more 

    GAWN KNOCK OUT OF BOUNDS. (Off Carlton’s ruck) 

    RIVERS HIT IN THE HEAD. PLAY ON. 

    RIVERS CRUNCHED IN THE BACK. PLAY ON.  

    TRAC GRABBED TO THE GROUND.  NOTHING. 

    VINEY TACKLED AND SLUNG. KICKS OUT OF BOUNDS. DELIBERATE. FREE TO BLUES 

    PLEASE MFC. PLEASE. ASK FOR EXPLANATIONS.  IT COST US 4 POINTS.  

    Goal touched by May

    Petty chopped in the arms in front of goal 

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      On 09/05/2024 at 13:15, leave it to deever said:

    You don't think 11 to 3 in the first quarter was unreasonable,? Those dob were very soft. That none or our tackles got us a htb decision in the first 3 quarters then it's paid everywhere? That the call of dangerous tackle cost us a goal and the four points?

    You should get a job umpiring.

    Seriously that was an atrocious effort by the umpires tonight.

    It actually put me off the game.

    That they could give that many soft frees in the first twenty mins of the game was just silly and uncalled for. About four of them were strong frees and they missed about four of ours. 

    Then they stopped giving frees pretty much. Half handed out in one quarter. why?

    The game was over at quarter time so I guess they didn't have to do anything else.

    A classic case of over umpiring. And yet not for genuine htb. They ignored all of Carlton's incorrect disposal for three quarters for some reason.

    Last week we couldn't sneeze without the umps pinging us for htb. 

    Yeah, I agree, it was bad in the first half. 

    Being an umpire would be a very tough gig and officiating based off interpretation of rules and what they have in front of them in a split second. We don't have a game to watch without them so can't crucify them all.

    Anyway, was highlighting the JvR tackle as my interpretation. Many calls and non calls went both ways, as does every game, can't win them all, all the time.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:53, Lexinator said:

    I respectfully disagree. I reckon it was holding the ball too until I saw his knee dig into the turf. Lucky we didn't get 50 metres playing on thru Langdon and Pickett. 

    Not how it looked to.me or the commentary.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:25, spirit of norm smith said:

    JVR PERFECT TACKLE.  PERFECT.  

    UMPIRE SAYS DANGEROUS TACKLE. 

    WORST DECISION EVER.  EVER.  

    (Kozzy kicks to Langdon goal). 
     

    and so many more 

    GAWN KNOCK OUT OF BOUNDS. (Off Carlton’s ruck) 

    RIVERS HIT IN THE HEAD. PLAY ON. 

    RIVERS CRUNCHED IN THE BACK. PLAY ON.  

    TRAC GRABBED TO THE GROUND.  NOTHING. 

    VINEY TACKLED AND SLUNG. KICKS OUT OF BOUNDS. DELIBERATE. FREE TO BLUES 

    PLEASE MFC. PLEASE. ASK FOR EXPLANATIONS.  IT COST US 4 POINTS.  

    AFL gives explanations but they don't overturn results.

    Time for an NFL style coachs challenge IMO

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    Insufficient intent decisions are pure pantomime. The crowd decides.

     

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:49, Wells 11 said:

    carlton player drove his own head into the ground… it looked so obvious. 

    Fwiw, BT agrees

     

     

    Edited by KLV

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    Can we make this a weekly thread? With the "not why we lost" or I'm not a conspiracy theorist" but . . . proviso. 

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    Just one more thing.... Eddy Maguire interviewed the new appointed AFL Head of Umpires. An ex Umpire and police Officer. My father was a decorated Police Officer just to show no bias from me. But you cannot go around espousing to the Football Public what the "NEW" mantra of the umpiring fraternity three nights before a shambles.

    It was two words INTEGRITY and IMPARTIALITY, and he repeated it many times in the interview.

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    Wow.  Umps review should be a long long session after last night.  It was a horror show.  Clearly their positioning or their interpretation is out of sync with the general footy population.  Maybe it’s poor positioning but with 4 umps, that was to be corrected.  

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      On 09/05/2024 at 21:46, biggestred said:

    Notwithstanding last night, the deliberate out of bounds rule is broken. 

    OVER umpired

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:32, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

    Does Demonland ever write to the club? I reckon it has the standing and authority to do so. It would certainly have my support.

    Dont know that but my great aunt Beatrice was always writing to the MFC Committee

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      On 09/05/2024 at 14:23, whatwhat say what said:

    a stern letter, yr suggesting...

    Oh, the very sternest...

      On 09/05/2024 at 22:19, Fritta and Turner said:

    Dont know that but my great aunt Beatrice was always writing to the MFC Committee

    ...and the very person for the job here, I'd say, what? 🧐 Not too late to wheel her out, FaT?

    Seriously though, do you / can you ever correspond, as a stakeholder entity, with the Club, @Demonland?

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      On 09/05/2024 at 21:46, biggestred said:

    Notwithstanding last night, the deliberate out of bounds rule is broken. 

    And seemingly determined by the crowd noise at times.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 14:19, KLV said:

    Fwiw, BT agrees

     

     

    Even if he did deliberately put his head to ground it was still soft.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:53, binman said:

    A player is going to get seriously hurt doing exactly that.

    They need to fine players to stamp that out. It's very dangerous.

    Not so much this one but it sets a precedent for other players to do the same 

    Edited by leave it to deever

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      On 09/05/2024 at 12:34, monoccular said:

    Appalling clear bias, NB #22 who always screws us, but we did lose it in the first quarter.  

    As soon as #22 turns up, you know where not getting any 50/50s it’s like 10 vs 90!

    But it wasn’t umpires that cost us the game, it was a combination of Carlton starting hot, playing very well , and the ball falling in their laps in first quarter. 

    Edited by D4Life
    Extra point

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    Umpiring was seriously poor but it has no bearing on the game. We win the game 76-41 after giving up a 36-point Head Start. Don't give them the head start and you win by 6 goals and aren't blowing up over the umpiring.

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    Yes, the umpiring was very average, but if we turned up to play at the start of the game, instead of the 2nd qtr, we wouldn't have this thread. 

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      On 09/05/2024 at 23:41, FearTheBeard said:

    Umpiring was seriously poor but it has no bearing on the game. We win the game 76-41 after giving up a 36-point Head Start. Don't give them the head start and you win by 6 goals and aren't blowing up over the umpiring.

    Totally agree, though furious with that JVR call, this one is on the players.

    They weren't up for the contest in the first quarter.

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      On 09/05/2024 at 23:44, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    Totally agree, though furious with that JVR call, this one is on the players.

    They weren't up for the contest in the first quarter.

    Ye, I think its a dangerous thing to say "if JVR isn't penalised we win the game," we would still be 2 goals down and it negates anything that actually happened after.

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