On 18/10/2023 at 12:20, No10 said:

Except North will take our 6 & 11 for 3.

Then trade 2 & 11 for 1.

If i was Norf i wouldnt trade 2,3 to anybody. Bring in McKercher and Duursma or Watson. 

 

  On 18/10/2023 at 22:33, manny100 said:

Happy to go to the draft with pick 6 and 11. I would however trade pick 11 and our future 1st to go higher. 

So we would have 6 and a pick better than 11. Doubt that will happen.

Cats are really the only ones that would benefit with more picks given their list profile. So Pick 8 for 11 & F1. Its a lot for us to give up to move 3 spots - If we were to finish 1st, then points equivalent is Pick 3. So it maybe something more like Pick 8 and F2 for 11 & F1. Really depends on if Cats are targeting a specific player in the draft. 

 

I have a feeling top 10 picks are set. Don't expect anymore movement now.

I can see us enquiring about what 11 and F1st would get. Maybe 8 or 7?

11 will become 15 or 16 after academy bids. If Lamb, Taylor and Goody are set on O'Sullivan, they'll need to get higher than that

  On 18/10/2023 at 22:43, Gawndy the Great said:

If i was Norf i wouldnt trade 2,3 to anybody. Bring in McKercher and Duursma or Watson. 

 

Cats are really the only ones that would benefit with more picks given their list profile. So Pick 8 for 11 & F1. Its a lot for us to give up to move 3 spots - If we were to finish 1st, then points equivalent is Pick 3. So it maybe something more like Pick 8 and F2 for 11 & F1. Really depends on if Cats are targeting a specific player in the draft. 

 

I have a feeling top 10 picks are set. Don't expect anymore movement now.

I expect we would be wanting something back, such as the Cats future 2nd

  On 18/10/2023 at 22:47, Stiff Arm said:

I can see us enquiring about what 11 and F1st would get. Maybe 8 or 7?

11 will become 15 or 16 after academy bids. If Lamb, Taylor and Goody are set on O'Sullivan, they'll need to get higher than that

Or take him with 6

  On 18/10/2023 at 22:48, old55 said:

Or take him with 6

True. But if Sanders is available at 6, I think he may become a Dee.

Wouldn't it be good to get a classy mid AND a key back in this draft?

I think adding midfield class is a high priority in this draft

  On 18/10/2023 at 22:58, Stiff Arm said:

True. But if Sanders is available at 6, I think he may become a Dee.

Wouldn't it be good to get a classy mid AND a key back in this draft?

I think adding midfield class is a high priority in this draft

I'm so torn between going all out for Reid, or if Sanders gets through to our first pick and we can get up to take O'Sullivan it could be an even better long term result.

Let's not forget, Sanders won the Larke medal and put up incredible stats. 

He was listed in the best for Allies in every game!

  On 18/10/2023 at 12:20, No10 said:

Except North will take our 6 & 11 for 3.

Then trade 2 & 11 for 1.

You have rocks in your head if you think dees will trade 6+11 for 3

  On 18/10/2023 at 22:33, manny100 said:

Happy to go to the draft with pick 6 and 11. I would however trade pick 11 and our future 1st to go higher. 

So we would have 6 and a pick better than 11. Doubt that will happen.

Who do we pick at 6 and 11

Sanders and O' Sullivan ?

Edited October 19, 20231 yr by Kent

  On 19/10/2023 at 00:53, Kent said:

Who do we pick at 6 and 11

Sanders and O' Sullivan ?

O'Sullivan will be gone by 11.

With Smith about to be banned and Petty wanting out I think we can forget about pick 1 and Harley Reid. We already had a need for positions. Now even more so. 

  On 19/10/2023 at 01:17, Colm said:

With Smith about to be banned and Petty wanting out I think we can forget about pick 1 and Harley Reid. We already had a need for positions. Now even more so. 

Drafting for position is a very bad strategy; especially considering they are kids. Our flag was won with 3 traded in Key Position players; only TMac being a recruit from long ago.
Also Petty has a contract. 

  On 19/10/2023 at 02:00, rpfc said:

Drafting for position is a very bad strategy; especially considering they are kids. Our flag was won with 3 traded in Key Position players; only TMac being a recruit from long ago.
Also Petty has a contract. 

A “very bad strategy” drafting quality players that fill a need and will be available at our picks makes total sense. I could maybe agree with you if we were reaching or picking project players but the three keys (Curtain, OSullivan and Caddy) that are likely to be available at our picks are rated around our  picks and by all accounts ready to play next year. 
Hardly a very bad strategy. 

  On 19/10/2023 at 02:00, rpfc said:

Drafting for position is a very bad strategy; especially considering they are kids. Our flag was won with 3 traded in Key Position players; only TMac being a recruit from long ago.
Also Petty has a contract. 

Case-in-point:

We selected Petty as a player whose type we didn’t require in terms of list balance, but he was too good to pass up when he was still there at our selection. Seems to have paid dividends.

  On 19/10/2023 at 02:00, rpfc said:

Drafting for position is a very bad strategy; especially considering they are kids. Our flag was won with 3 traded in Key Position players; only TMac being a recruit from long ago.
Also Petty has a contract. 

 

  On 19/10/2023 at 02:35, Mach5 said:

Case-in-point:

We selected Petty as a player whose type we didn’t require in terms of list balance, but he was too good to pass up when he was still there at our selection. Seems to have paid dividends.

I think when you're rebuilding and need everything then drafting "best available" makes perfect sense. But when you're contending and have got most areas covered then drafting for need has its place.

May as well take a shot at trying to get the 2023 AFL National Draft pick #1 from West Coast. I find it extremely unlikely though. I just think North Melbourne have the right draft capital to make it happen.

In the end, I am more than happy for the Demons to use draft picks #6 and #11.

My choices for those 2 draft picks are as follows...

● Ryley Sanders

● Nick Watson

● Nate Caddy

● Connor O'Sullivan

● Darcy Wilson

● Ollie Murphy

● James Leake

● Caleb Windsor

 

Would definitely be over the moon with any of those two names from that list.

 

 

  On 18/10/2023 at 23:46, bandicoot said:

You have rocks in your head if you think dees will trade 6+11 for 3

Wasn’t my suggestion.

However, I think it highly likely this will happen, but with p17 or 18 also included from North.

But the question is if McKercher or Duursma are worth it?

  On 19/10/2023 at 06:51, Supreme_Demon said:

May as well take a shot at trying to get the 2023 AFL National Draft pick #1 from West Coast. I find it extremely unlikely though. I just think North Melbourne have the right draft capital to make it happen.

In the end, I am more than happy for the Demons to use draft picks #6 and #11.

My choices for those 2 draft picks are as follows...

● Ryley Sanders

● Nick Watson

● Nate Caddy

● Connor O'Sullivan

● Darcy Wilson

● Ollie Murphy

● James Leake

● Caleb Windsor

 

Would definitely be over the moon with any of those two names from that list.

 

 

Dan Curtin?

  On 19/10/2023 at 11:51, No10 said:

Wasn’t my suggestion.

However, I think it highly likely this will happen, but with p17 or 18 also included from North.

But the question is if McKercher or Duursma are worth it?

In my view the best 4 players in this draft are Harley Reid, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher and Riley Sanders, the fact we can almost certainly get Sanders with our pick 6 does make just keeping those picks appealing. if we could bring in Sanders and add some key back depth with Murphy i think that's a really solid outcome with these two picks. 

having said that i think trading up is a very real possibility

  On 18/10/2023 at 23:46, bandicoot said:

You have rocks in your head if you think dees will trade 6+11 for 3

Turns out we were in talks with Roos & GC (early in FA period) which would have seen us give up 6, 14 & F1 for pick 3 and a '24 end of 1st rd pick (Nth compo).

Edited October 19, 20231 yr by ChaserJ

  On 19/10/2023 at 12:39, ChaserJ said:

Turns out we were in talks with Roos & GC (early in FA period) which would have seen us give up 6, 14 & F1 for pick 3 and a '24 end of 1st rd pick (Nth compo).

Yep.

I can see us still trading with the roos. Pick 6 and 11 for 3 and 18.

18 will end up around 22.

  On 19/10/2023 at 12:02, Dwight Schrute said:

In my view the best 4 players in this draft are Harley Reid, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher and Riley Sanders, the fact we can almost certainly get Sanders with our pick 6 does make just keeping those picks appealing. if we could bring in Sanders and add some key back depth with Murphy i think that's a really solid outcome with these two picks. 

having said that i think trading up is a very real possibility

In that order? You’d take Duursma over McKersher?

I have no idea, but they seem the likely two we’d choose from.

I also don’t mind holding 6 and 11. It seems a fairly even trade going to 3 and 18.

  On 18/10/2023 at 20:59, old55 said:

North give 2 + 3 get 1 + 6

North need as many of the best players as possible. I just don't think they're going to move from 2 and 3. That's an incredibly strong hand for a team rebuilding.

  On 19/10/2023 at 14:18, No10 said:

In that order? You’d take Duursma over McKersher?

I have no idea, but they seem the likely two we’d choose from.

I also don’t mind holding 6 and 11. It seems a fairly even trade going to 3 and 18.

I think the order would be different for everyone, but i'd have Duursma as the second best player, he's a match winner. but it'd be very close.

  On 19/10/2023 at 19:07, bing181 said:

North need as many of the best players as possible. I just don't think they're going to move from 2 and 3. That's an incredibly strong hand for a team rebuilding.

It is a strong hand, they would not trade 2+3 for 1; however I definitely could see them trading 2 and 15+ for 1.  All North need to entice WC is another pick around 10.  This would guarantee Curtin and another good player.

Although Curtin might be be available at 6, I don't think WC will risk 6 as their best chance for him.  Dee's on the other hand will be happy with either Curtin or Sanders depending on who is still available at 6.  This scenario requires either WB/Haw to be super interested in Watson or another over these two or we could miss out on both.

In terms of trading for pick one, I think we have the strongest hand. North are always going to keep one of their first two but I don't think their 15 is going to be all that interesting for WC. Like North they need multiple picks as high as possible.

Against that, I don't think our 6+11 is enough either, especially the 6. If WC are going to forego 1, you'd think that they would want at least 3 or 4 coming back, plus another pick in the first dozen.

All that to say I just don't see that WC are going to trade out 1 because I don't see how it gets done. Maybe Tim Lamb can pull a rabbit out of the hat with some left of field trading, but what and with who? ... hard to see.