PODCAST: QF vs Collingwood

[Demonland 70,326]

The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 11th September @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons loss at the MCG against the Magpies in the Qualifying Final.

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[binman 42,013]

I'm washing my hair Monday night.

[spirit of norm smith 15,276]

Really ?  It’s all about how we absolutely lost the game.  The pies did not beat us. We beat ourselves.  Huge disappointment. Huge. Some of the problems are same old same old.  The effort in the 2nd half was huge but dumb footy and poor skills are deflating.

Binman. It was 69 inside 50s to 37.
7 goals. Wow. That’s possibly a new record low. 10%.  Most sides average 30-35%! 
Goody? 2022 and all 2023  “we are getting better and working on our connection forward of Centre”. Really. Really. It’s horrible !!! 

Let’s bomb the ball Inside 50 to a pack. Really.  Madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ! No one leads. No one hits a bullet pass. No one.  No one.  No one.  Viney. Trac. Salem. Oliver. Sparrow. No one. No one hits a forward with a pass. No one lower their eyes. 

Another point is shots from 45-55 metres out.  Success rate about 3%. But players keep stepping up. Tonight.  Oliver.  Smith. Rivers. Wow. It’s incredible. Madness again. 
 

Huge hearts.  Huge effort.  Can’t fault the effort.  But dumb footy.  Dumb. It’s the only word for it. There’s no system. No strategy. No improvement.  Perhaps we can recruit elite midfield kicks. Maybe just maybe players who hit targets.  
 

Frustration 

Disappointment 

Gutted 

that’s honestly how all Dees supporters feel !!’ 

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

1 hour ago, binman said:

I'm washing my hair Monday night.

Not the beard?

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

@Demonland Andy, we need a cathartic session to keep hopes high before next Friday.

I am feeling hopeless and awaiting another straight sets exit.

Please tell us we can still make it.

[layzie 33,023]

Did we lose it at selection?

The 2 tall defence has rarely worked this year and doesn't give Lever the best chance to intercept.

Did our ball movement need to change?

The long ball to a cluster of stationary forwards has rarely worked this year.

[Mel Bourne 4,392]

Why….…

…oh why….…

….are we….…

…….such….…

…..slow……..starters?

[OhMyDees 1,825]

Media blackout initiated as of this morning watching Goody’s Post Match Presser - except of course for the Demonland podcast. 

Felt like losing Trac’s forward minutes when Brayshaw got KO’d by Maynard cost us dearly more not to mention losing a top player too.

We were then down a rotation early and being forced to bring on Laurie in the first quarter. He had a shocker and collected just 3 more disposals than Gus for the whole game. 

I was super proud that we finished the game strongly. My MFCSS is not nearly as bad as it would be heading into a Semi next week with the threat of a straight sets exit two times running.

It’s shattering to lose 3 finals in a row but we were only outplayed in the 1st Quarter by the minor premiers and they kicked 8 of their 9 goals in two quarters.

While we’ll have to go through an interstate Prelim to make the GF I reckon we’d beat the Pies on a dry deck in September.

Edited September 7, 2023 by OhMyDees

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

6 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Why….…

…oh why….…

….are we….…

…….such….…

…..slow……..starters?

Are the players or coaches at fault? Or perhaps both?

[Supreme_Demon 3,289]

Here are my 5 questions for the @Demonland podcast.

 

1) First off, I am still reeling from this disappointing loss. I am angry and bitter. What a despicable dog act by Brayden Maynard on Angus Brayshaw! How many weeks do you think Brayden Maynard gets suspended for? He simply cannot be allowed to get away with what he did!

 

2) Should Mason Cox's vile acts of intentionally trying to injure Melbourne players as well come under scrutiny? What he attempted to do to Christian Petracca's leg was disgraceful!

 

3) We really need to overhaul our forwardline. Losing Harry Petty and Jake Melksham hurt us. Our forwardline efficiency and connectivity as well as our goal kicking really hurt us as well. How do we rectify this serious issue of a dysfunctional forwardline?

 

4) Was it a mistake not playing 3 tall defenders? Would it had been better to have played Brodie Grundy instead of Tom McDonald? I think we made mistakes at the selection table. But losing Angus Brayshaw early was probably the biggest blow to us.

 

5) What will we need to do to beat our semi final opponents in either Carlton or Sydney? Which players should come into the team? Who replaces Angus Brayshaw?

Edited September 8, 2023 by Supreme_Demon

[Demonised 1,315]

How much did the weather influence the result?

 

[Bates Mate 4,428]

Who is to blame for the forward "connection" ? and lack of scoring when we get it in

we've been hearing about it for 3+ years and always manages to be our downfall.

Is it 

- Midfielders just blazing away

- Forwards not leading to the right /dangerous spots or 3 leading to the same spot in the forward half.

-  Not having crumbers in the right spots (Kozzie is usually in the air flying for marks)

- All of the above

I understand we had Fritsch and Tmac coming in off long lay offs but they are experienced enough to be able to lead to the right spots.

Multiple entries we hear so much about do in theory create more chances, 

but  as Collingwood proved having less entries but higher quality give you better scoring chances when you go in there 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Bates Mate

[whatwhat say what 22,218]

0 from 6 in wet / slippery conditions in 2023

why?

[Tracforever 46]

Hi guys this one still stings 24 hours on and I feel as though we missed out on something big here.

I just wanted to highlight the amazing job ANB did on Daicos. He had 17 possessions and kicked a goal compared to Daicos 14 touches but kept him to only 4 possessions in the first half. 

ANB is the ultimate team player who played his role to perfection on Thursday.

@binman you nailed it you said not to get 4 goals down and we would come home with a wet sail and over in them you should be called Nostradamus you pretty much said look out from halfway through the third qtr. BRAVO !!

Edited September 8, 2023 by Tracforever

[Go Lordie 297]

Collingwood seemed faster than us, first to the ball. Even Kozzie seemed to be beaten for speed. I am astonished at the clearance numbers. We won in the centre and drew even at stoppages around the ground, but it felt like the Filth were all over us. They broke out into the open more than us, piercing our defensive wall. We won in contested possessions and turnovers, but it didn't feel like it.  QUESTION: I wonder whether Goody is as calm and under-excited in the rooms before the game as he is in his press conferences. Are we over-confident in our ability to finish strongly? Does he not care if we are down at quarter time? Is he too cerebral to give them a "hot gospeller" rev-up before the game?   

[Go Lordie 297]

19 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Really ?  It’s all about how we absolutely lost the game.  The pies did not beat us. We beat ourselves.  Huge disappointment. Huge. Some of the problems are same old same old.  The effort in the 2nd half was huge but dumb footy and poor skills are deflating.

Binman. It was 69 inside 50s to 37.
7 goals. Wow. That’s possibly a new record low. 10%.  Most sides average 30-35%! 
Goody? 2022 and all 2023  “we are getting better and working on our connection forward of Centre”. Really. Really. It’s horrible !!! 

Let’s bomb the ball Inside 50 to a pack. Really.  Madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ! No one leads. No one hits a bullet pass. No one.  No one.  No one.  Viney. Trac. Salem. Oliver. Sparrow. No one. No one hits a forward with a pass. No one lower their eyes. 

Another point is shots from 45-55 metres out.  Success rate about 3%. But players keep stepping up. Tonight.  Oliver.  Smith. Rivers. Wow. It’s incredible. Madness again. 
 

Huge hearts.  Huge effort.  Can’t fault the effort.  But dumb footy.  Dumb. It’s the only word for it. There’s no system. No strategy. No improvement.  Perhaps we can recruit elite midfield kicks. Maybe just maybe players who hit targets.  
 

Frustration 

Disappointment 

Gutted 

that’s honestly how all Dees supporters feel !!’ 

The number of fruitless Forward 50 entries is the result of our own defensive success. We are less efficient than other teams because we win it back quickly and send it back in when the opposition is still crowding our Forward 50. we need to fake a fumble on the wing or even further back and draw the opposition out before rushing it back in, sending it over their heads. Don't know how you coach that.... 

[Go Lordie 297]

17 hours ago, layzie said:

Did we lose it at selection?

The 2 tall defence has rarely worked this year and doesn't give Lever the best chance to intercept.

Did our ball movement need to change?

The long ball to a cluster of stationary forwards has rarely worked this year.

We win it back too quickly and send it back in while the opposition is still in there.

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

0 from 6 in wet / slippery conditions in 2023

why?

Subpar skills from the most part of our players. 

[KLV 1,762]

Goodwin has been criticised by various in the media for the lack of strategy in game, to fix the entry inside 50.

what’s your opinion, was it a coaching failure or lack of player execution?

[DemonWA 3,888]

We earned the 2nd chance and will take on a decent opponent next week. 

Keen to understand whether the pannel saw our poor i50 conversion to be attributed to poor connection or just great defence. Clearly I'm being a little facetious- these two things are linked but I feel like our fans aren't willing to give the Collingwood defence credit where it's due. We were 2 kicks away from a home prelim - Moore and Quaynor stood taller than our forwards and made the difference. 

Do you see the blues or swans being able to defend as well as the pies did? I don't see it. Prelim at the Gabba awaits 

[leave it to deever 17,486]

Why do we start so slowly?

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

3 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Why do we start so slowly?

Last year we finished bad (4th quarter fades), this year we start bad. Can the team be more consistent?

[Rednblueriseing 800]

To my eye we got overwhelmed by the massive crowd and even our stars struggled to get there hands on the pill early..

Our midfield have really average foot skills and this was highlighted on the big stage.. the amount of times Fritch, Roo and even T Mac were in good positions for a mark and we failed to kick to advantage really cost us.

Wouldn't mind seeing how Bowey goes in the middle and give Rivers more time there, thoughts?

Thanks 

 

[Deeoldfart 7,996]

Clearly our forward line will need some adjustments in the unfortunate circumstances we  find ourselves in.  What will our forward half look like on Friday night?
Also, I need a major injection of positivity.  Please go to work guys!!
Love the Pods!

[sam6172 141]

I'll keep it short and ask the question that is really the only one that matters. Can we beat Carlton with the team we have?

Thanks guys.