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Judd McVee and the Rising Star Award

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Hope he is not dropped this week like last week's nomination (Seamus Mitchell)

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    On 7/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, darkhorse72 said:

    He is a calm and very smart footballer.  I think on stats he is the least beaten players in the league 1:1.

    Unlikely to win the rising star, but he's the natural replacement for Hibbo on those super dangerous small/med forwards we have been looking for. 

     

     

    I know Quaynor is great in these 1v1 percentage wins. Just wondering, @WheeloRatings, where does Juddster sit in league wide statistics? Please and thank you. 🙏

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    Also, that AFL article on his rising star nod notes nothing about the sorts of opponents he's had this year. Choco and Chaplin should get great credit for their development of our young backs. How Judd's so seamlessly fitted into the system back there is so exciting.

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    8 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

    Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

    Think you are underesting how difficult it is to play midfield. The backline was a great place to start where he could first use his silky skills to mop up and later develop his one on one defending. He has a simple role and is doing it brilliantly.

    Throwing him the midfield so late this year may do more harm than good. He is slightly built and would be purely outside. 

    I remember about five years ago when they tried Salem in the midfield. It didn't work. Let's maybe revisit in a year or so.

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    MBJMcV!

    I think his 'then-to-now' arc bears comparison with Clayton Oliver's draft-year-to-first-year arc.

    And aren't a lot (most? all?) of our players, like Judd, so watchable?!

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    12 minutes ago, A F said:

    Also, that AFL article on his rising star nod notes nothing about the sorts of opponents he's had this year. Choco and Chaplin should get great credit for their development of our young backs. How Judd's so seamlessly fitted into the system back there is so exciting.

    I loved the fact that he was deliberately matched against Dusty in a pre-season game to see what he could do. Naturally all the media talked about at the time was the 1 goal Martin kicked where he outpointed Judd (the only goal Dusty kicked for the day in a 50 point loss!). 

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    16 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

    Think you are underesting how difficult it is to play midfield. The backline was a great place to start where he could first use his silky skills to mop up and later develop his one on one defending. He has a simple role and is doing it brilliantly.

    Throwing him the midfield so late this year may do more harm than good. He is slightly built and would be purely outside. 

    I remember about five years ago when they tried Salem in the midfield. It didn't work. Let's maybe revisit in a year or so.

    Does this satisfy you? Sorry about the background. 

    One of the smoothest operators in the draft pool, Judd McVee is the kind of player you want rebounding the ball out of defence. He handles the ball cleanly and is efficient in his use by foot, showcasing class to manoeuvre out of tight spots and keep cool in a crisis. With greater consistency and enhanced midfield craft, McVee has the tools to become a tidy player at the top level.

    The 18-year-old was impressive with plenty of midfield time during his state's Under 16 National Championships campaign in 2019, but has since found a more permanent home across half-back where his pure class comes to the fore. He averaged 14.8 disposals across 12 Colts games this season and even cracked the Reserves grade, before also representing WA in the improvised Under 19 carnival

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    He is an absolute cat!

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    I will also say Salem never had the tank for that role, and yet people sing out for Kossie to play there and yet he's slight and does not have the ability to play there yet McVee has played there we need a good outside runner, I will also say we have a ruckman as a forward coach how's that going teaching forward craft.

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    4 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

    Does this satisfy you? Sorry about the background. 

    One of the smoothest operators in the draft pool, Judd McVee is the kind of player you want rebounding the ball out of defence. He handles the ball cleanly and is efficient in his use by foot, showcasing class to manoeuvre out of tight spots and keep cool in a crisis. With greater consistency and enhanced midfield craft, McVee has the tools to become a tidy player at the top level.

    The 18-year-old was impressive with plenty of midfield time during his state's Under 16 National Championships campaign in 2019, but has since found a more permanent home across half-back where his pure class comes to the fore. He averaged 14.8 disposals across 12 Colts games this season and even cracked the Reserves grade, before also representing WA in the improvised Under 19 carnival

    Bit hard to read 😀

    I agree there is potential to play midfield and that's why I said we can revisit after a few pre-seasons. Big difference between AFL hardened bodies and WA Colts. 

    At this stage of the year let's just be thankful he's doing what he's doing in the backline!

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    6 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

    He is an absolute cat!

    Apart from the unfortunate Geelong connotation, I've always known "cat" to be a derogatory term when it is used to describe a footballer.

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    36 minutes ago, A F said:

    I know Quaynor is great in these 1v1 percentage wins. Just wondering, @WheeloRatings, where does Juddster sit in league wide statistics? Please and thank you. 🙏

    Here are the top 20 players with 15+ defensive 1v1 contests. McVee is ranked 9th, Quaynor 6th. Melbourne rank second at 19.6% and the league average  is 24.9%.

    Defensive 1v1 contests, 15+ contests, 2023

    Rank Player Team 1v1s Losses %
    1 Jimmy Webster St Kilda 17 1 5.9
    2 Ryan Lester Brisbane 16 1 6.2
    3 Ben Long Gold Coast 16 1 6.2
    4 Ed Richards Western Bulldogs 15 1 6.7
    5 Sam Taylor Greater Western Sydney 38 3 7.9
    6 Isaac Quaynor Collingwood 20 2 10.0
    7 Jacob Weitering Carlton 60 6 10.0
    8 Aidan Corr North Melbourne 29 3 10.3
    9 Judd McVee Melbourne 17 2 11.8
    10 Jake Bowey Melbourne 16 2 12.5
    11 Jack Henry Geelong 15 2 13.3
    12 Brodie Smith Adelaide 15 2 13.3
    13 Ethan Hughes Fremantle 15 2 13.3
    14 Max Gawn Melbourne 22 3 13.6
    15 James Sicily Hawthorn 36 5 13.9
    16 Tylar Young Richmond 49 7 14.3
    17 Nathan Broad Richmond 21 3 14.3
    18 Jack Payne Brisbane 40 6 15.0
    19 Connor Idun Greater Western Sydney 38 6 15.8
    20 Darcy Moore Collingwood 44 7 15.9

    https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

     

    Defensive 1v1 contests, 10+ contests, Melbourne 2023

    Rank Player Team 1v1s Losses %
    1 Brodie Grundy Melbourne 13 0 0.0
    2 Judd McVee Melbourne 17 2 11.8
    3 Jake Bowey Melbourne 16 2 12.5
    4 Max Gawn Melbourne 22 3 13.6
    5 Adam Tomlinson Melbourne 14 2 14.3
    6 Steven May Melbourne 56 10 17.9
    7 Trent Rivers Melbourne 20 4 20.0
    8 Jake Lever Melbourne 35 8 22.9
    9 Harrison Petty Melbourne 26 8 30.8
    10 Michael Hibberd Melbourne 18 6 33.3
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    15 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

    Does this satisfy you? Sorry about the background. 

    One of the smoothest operators in the draft pool, Judd McVee is the kind of player you want rebounding the ball out of defence. He handles the ball cleanly and is efficient in his use by foot, showcasing class to manoeuvre out of tight spots and keep cool in a crisis. With greater consistency and enhanced midfield craft, McVee has the tools to become a tidy player at the top level.

    The 18-year-old was impressive with plenty of midfield time during his state's Under 16 National Championships campaign in 2019, but has since found a more permanent home across half-back where his pure class comes to the fore. He averaged 14.8 disposals across 12 Colts games this season and even cracked the Reserves grade, before also representing WA in the improvised Under 19 carnival

    Pretty dark analysis there, mate… 

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    52 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

    Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

    i...don't?

    the team have been at pains to say we base our game plan on contest and defence

    i think one of the things that they don't say is that we also base it on good decision makers in the back half and pressure in the front half

    the likes of the three talls plus salem, mcvee, rivers, bowey mean that we have 'smart' players behind the ball to set up the play as we bring it forward and then the two talls and the three smalls to bring it to ground and keep it there in the f50

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    1 minute ago, WheeloRatings said:

    Here are the top 20 players with 15+ defensive 1v1 contests. McVee is ranked 9th, Quaynor 6th. Melbourne rank second at 19.6% and the league average  is 24.9%.

    Defensive 1v1 contests, 15+ contests, 2023

    Rank Player Team 1v1s Losses %
    1 Jimmy Webster St Kilda 17 1 5.9
    2 Ryan Lester Brisbane 16 1 6.2
    3 Ben Long Gold Coast 16 1 6.2
    4 Ed Richards Western Bulldogs 15 1 6.7
    5 Sam Taylor Greater Western Sydney 38 3 7.9
    6 Isaac Quaynor Collingwood 20 2 10.0
    7 Jacob Weitering Carlton 60 6 10.0
    8 Aidan Corr North Melbourne 29 3 10.3
    9 Judd McVee Melbourne 17 2 11.8
    10 Jake Bowey Melbourne 16 2 12.5
    11 Jack Henry Geelong 15 2 13.3
    12 Brodie Smith Adelaide 15 2 13.3
    13 Ethan Hughes Fremantle 15 2 13.3
    14 Max Gawn Melbourne 22 3 13.6
    15 James Sicily Hawthorn 36 5 13.9
    16 Tylar Young Richmond 49 7 14.3
    17 Nathan Broad Richmond 21 3 14.3
    18 Jack Payne Brisbane 40 6 15.0
    19 Connor Idun Greater Western Sydney 38 6 15.8
    20 Darcy Moore Collingwood 44 7 15.9

    https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

     

    Defensive 1v1 contests, 10+ contests, Melbourne 2023

    Rank Player Team 1v1s Losses %
    1 Brodie Grundy Melbourne 13 0 0.0
    2 Judd McVee Melbourne 17 2 11.8
    3 Jake Bowey Melbourne 16 2 12.5
    4 Max Gawn Melbourne 22 3 13.6
    5 Adam Tomlinson Melbourne 14 2 14.3
    6 Steven May Melbourne 56 10 17.9
    7 Trent Rivers Melbourne 20 4 20.0
    8 Jake Lever Melbourne 35 8 22.9
    9 Harrison Petty Melbourne 26 8 30.8
    10 Michael Hibberd Melbourne 18 6 33.3

    Love it. How good is Bowser as well! And Grundy is impressive.

    Thanks Wheelo!

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    13 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    Apart from the unfortunate Geelong connotation, I've always known "cat" to be a derogatory term when it is used to describe a footballer.

    These days it means he has amazing reflexes the way he moves 

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    I’m still not convinced he has a real name, sounds like a cover for something but boy has he been good this season.

    The composure that he, Bowey and Salem bring is excellent.

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    1 hour ago, demon3165 said:

    Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

    Give him time. He will get there.

    Edited by Left Foot Snap

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    30 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    He was a rookie pick??! 

    A Covid special...there was always going to be a player or two who slipped through.

    Some good recruiting and a bit of luck see us with a very good player.

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