Judd McVee and the Rising Star Award

[dazzledavey36 54,124]

Well done Judd.

[Roger Mellie 3,952]

Gun! Congratulations Judd

[demon3165 2,685]

Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

[dice 692]

Hope he is not dropped this week like last week's nomination (Seamus Mitchell)

[Adam The God 30,090]

On 7/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, darkhorse72 said:

He is a calm and very smart footballer.  I think on stats he is the least beaten players in the league 1:1.

Unlikely to win the rising star, but he's the natural replacement for Hibbo on those super dangerous small/med forwards we have been looking for. 

 

 

I know Quaynor is great in these 1v1 percentage wins. Just wondering, @WheeloRatings, where does Juddster sit in league wide statistics? Please and thank you. 🙏

[Adam The God 30,090]

Also, that AFL article on his rising star nod notes nothing about the sorts of opponents he's had this year. Choco and Chaplin should get great credit for their development of our young backs. How Judd's so seamlessly fitted into the system back there is so exciting.

[dee-tox 4,835]

8 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

Think you are underesting how difficult it is to play midfield. The backline was a great place to start where he could first use his silky skills to mop up and later develop his one on one defending. He has a simple role and is doing it brilliantly.

Throwing him the midfield so late this year may do more harm than good. He is slightly built and would be purely outside. 

I remember about five years ago when they tried Salem in the midfield. It didn't work. Let's maybe revisit in a year or so.

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,043]

MBJMcV!

I think his 'then-to-now' arc bears comparison with Clayton Oliver's draft-year-to-first-year arc.

And aren't a lot (most? all?) of our players, like Judd, so watchable?!

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

12 minutes ago, A F said:

Also, that AFL article on his rising star nod notes nothing about the sorts of opponents he's had this year. Choco and Chaplin should get great credit for their development of our young backs. How Judd's so seamlessly fitted into the system back there is so exciting.

I loved the fact that he was deliberately matched against Dusty in a pre-season game to see what he could do. Naturally all the media talked about at the time was the 1 goal Martin kicked where he outpointed Judd (the only goal Dusty kicked for the day in a 50 point loss!). 

[demon3165 2,685]

16 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Think you are underesting how difficult it is to play midfield. The backline was a great place to start where he could first use his silky skills to mop up and later develop his one on one defending. He has a simple role and is doing it brilliantly.

Throwing him the midfield so late this year may do more harm than good. He is slightly built and would be purely outside. 

I remember about five years ago when they tried Salem in the midfield. It didn't work. Let's maybe revisit in a year or so.

Does this satisfy you? Sorry about the background. 

One of the smoothest operators in the draft pool, Judd McVee is the kind of player you want rebounding the ball out of defence. He handles the ball cleanly and is efficient in his use by foot, showcasing class to manoeuvre out of tight spots and keep cool in a crisis. With greater consistency and enhanced midfield craft, McVee has the tools to become a tidy player at the top level.

The 18-year-old was impressive with plenty of midfield time during his state's Under 16 National Championships campaign in 2019, but has since found a more permanent home across half-back where his pure class comes to the fore. He averaged 14.8 disposals across 12 Colts games this season and even cracked the Reserves grade, before also representing WA in the improvised Under 19 carnival

[DeeZee 7,361]

He is an absolute cat!

[demon3165 2,685]

I will also say Salem never had the tank for that role, and yet people sing out for Kossie to play there and yet he's slight and does not have the ability to play there yet McVee has played there we need a good outside runner, I will also say we have a ruckman as a forward coach how's that going teaching forward craft.

[dee-tox 4,835]

4 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Does this satisfy you? Sorry about the background. 

One of the smoothest operators in the draft pool, Judd McVee is the kind of player you want rebounding the ball out of defence. He handles the ball cleanly and is efficient in his use by foot, showcasing class to manoeuvre out of tight spots and keep cool in a crisis. With greater consistency and enhanced midfield craft, McVee has the tools to become a tidy player at the top level.

The 18-year-old was impressive with plenty of midfield time during his state's Under 16 National Championships campaign in 2019, but has since found a more permanent home across half-back where his pure class comes to the fore. He averaged 14.8 disposals across 12 Colts games this season and even cracked the Reserves grade, before also representing WA in the improvised Under 19 carnival

Bit hard to read 😀

I agree there is potential to play midfield and that's why I said we can revisit after a few pre-seasons. Big difference between AFL hardened bodies and WA Colts. 

At this stage of the year let's just be thankful he's doing what he's doing in the backline!

[chook fowler 19,434]

4 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

He is an absolute cat!

I hope not

[Demonstone 22,227]

6 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

He is an absolute cat!

Apart from the unfortunate Geelong connotation, I've always known "cat" to be a derogatory term when it is used to describe a footballer.

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

36 minutes ago, A F said:

I know Quaynor is great in these 1v1 percentage wins. Just wondering, @WheeloRatings, where does Juddster sit in league wide statistics? Please and thank you. 🙏

Here are the top 20 players with 15+ defensive 1v1 contests. McVee is ranked 9th, Quaynor 6th. Melbourne rank second at 19.6% and the league average  is 24.9%.

Defensive 1v1 contests, 15+ contests, 2023

Rank	Player	Team	1v1s	Losses	%
1	Jimmy Webster	St Kilda	17	1	5.9
2	Ryan Lester	Brisbane	16	1	6.2
3	Ben Long	Gold Coast	16	1	6.2
4	Ed Richards	Western Bulldogs	15	1	6.7
5	Sam Taylor	Greater Western Sydney	38	3	7.9
6	Isaac Quaynor	Collingwood	20	2	10.0
7	Jacob Weitering	Carlton	60	6	10.0
8	Aidan Corr	North Melbourne	29	3	10.3
9	Judd McVee	Melbourne	17	2	11.8
10	Jake Bowey	Melbourne	16	2	12.5
11	Jack Henry	Geelong	15	2	13.3
12	Brodie Smith	Adelaide	15	2	13.3
13	Ethan Hughes	Fremantle	15	2	13.3
14	Max Gawn	Melbourne	22	3	13.6
15	James Sicily	Hawthorn	36	5	13.9
16	Tylar Young	Richmond	49	7	14.3
17	Nathan Broad	Richmond	21	3	14.3
18	Jack Payne	Brisbane	40	6	15.0
19	Connor Idun	Greater Western Sydney	38	6	15.8
20	Darcy Moore	Collingwood	44	7	15.9

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

 

Defensive 1v1 contests, 10+ contests, Melbourne 2023

Rank	Player	Team	1v1s	Losses	%
1	Brodie Grundy	Melbourne	13	0	0.0
2	Judd McVee	Melbourne	17	2	11.8
3	Jake Bowey	Melbourne	16	2	12.5
4	Max Gawn	Melbourne	22	3	13.6
5	Adam Tomlinson	Melbourne	14	2	14.3
6	Steven May	Melbourne	56	10	17.9
7	Trent Rivers	Melbourne	20	4	20.0
8	Jake Lever	Melbourne	35	8	22.9
9	Harrison Petty	Melbourne	26	8	30.8
10	Michael Hibberd	Melbourne	18	6	33.3

[rpfc 28,244]

15 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Does this satisfy you? Sorry about the background. 

One of the smoothest operators in the draft pool, Judd McVee is the kind of player you want rebounding the ball out of defence. He handles the ball cleanly and is efficient in his use by foot, showcasing class to manoeuvre out of tight spots and keep cool in a crisis. With greater consistency and enhanced midfield craft, McVee has the tools to become a tidy player at the top level.

The 18-year-old was impressive with plenty of midfield time during his state's Under 16 National Championships campaign in 2019, but has since found a more permanent home across half-back where his pure class comes to the fore. He averaged 14.8 disposals across 12 Colts games this season and even cracked the Reserves grade, before also representing WA in the improvised Under 19 carnival

Pretty dark analysis there, mate… 

[whatwhat say what 22,601]

52 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

i...don't?

the team have been at pains to say we base our game plan on contest and defence

i think one of the things that they don't say is that we also base it on good decision makers in the back half and pressure in the front half

the likes of the three talls plus salem, mcvee, rivers, bowey mean that we have 'smart' players behind the ball to set up the play as we bring it forward and then the two talls and the three smalls to bring it to ground and keep it there in the f50

[Adam The God 30,090]

1 minute ago, WheeloRatings said:

Here are the top 20 players with 15+ defensive 1v1 contests. McVee is ranked 9th, Quaynor 6th. Melbourne rank second at 19.6% and the league average  is 24.9%.

Defensive 1v1 contests, 15+ contests, 2023

Rank	Player	Team	1v1s	Losses	%
1	Jimmy Webster	St Kilda	17	1	5.9
2	Ryan Lester	Brisbane	16	1	6.2
3	Ben Long	Gold Coast	16	1	6.2
4	Ed Richards	Western Bulldogs	15	1	6.7
5	Sam Taylor	Greater Western Sydney	38	3	7.9
6	Isaac Quaynor	Collingwood	20	2	10.0
7	Jacob Weitering	Carlton	60	6	10.0
8	Aidan Corr	North Melbourne	29	3	10.3
9	Judd McVee	Melbourne	17	2	11.8
10	Jake Bowey	Melbourne	16	2	12.5
11	Jack Henry	Geelong	15	2	13.3
12	Brodie Smith	Adelaide	15	2	13.3
13	Ethan Hughes	Fremantle	15	2	13.3
14	Max Gawn	Melbourne	22	3	13.6
15	James Sicily	Hawthorn	36	5	13.9
16	Tylar Young	Richmond	49	7	14.3
17	Nathan Broad	Richmond	21	3	14.3
18	Jack Payne	Brisbane	40	6	15.0
19	Connor Idun	Greater Western Sydney	38	6	15.8
20	Darcy Moore	Collingwood	44	7	15.9

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

 

Defensive 1v1 contests, 10+ contests, Melbourne 2023

Rank	Player	Team	1v1s	Losses	%
1	Brodie Grundy	Melbourne	13	0	0.0
2	Judd McVee	Melbourne	17	2	11.8
3	Jake Bowey	Melbourne	16	2	12.5
4	Max Gawn	Melbourne	22	3	13.6
5	Adam Tomlinson	Melbourne	14	2	14.3
6	Steven May	Melbourne	56	10	17.9
7	Trent Rivers	Melbourne	20	4	20.0
8	Jake Lever	Melbourne	35	8	22.9
9	Harrison Petty	Melbourne	26	8	30.8
10	Michael Hibberd	Melbourne	18	6	33.3

Love it. How good is Bowser as well! And Grundy is impressive.

Thanks Wheelo!

[Ethan Tremblay 30,812]

He was a rookie pick??! 

[DeeZee 7,361]

13 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Apart from the unfortunate Geelong connotation, I've always known "cat" to be a derogatory term when it is used to describe a footballer.

These days it means he has amazing reflexes the way he moves 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I’m still not convinced he has a real name, sounds like a cover for something but boy has he been good this season.

The composure that he, Bowey and Salem bring is excellent.

[Left Foot Snap 2,384]

1 hour ago, demon3165 said:

Just wish they would give him a go in the guts, good football brain good speed on him.

Give him time. He will get there.

Edited July 17, 2023 by Left Foot Snap

[Jaded No More 68,855]

Jason Taylor is a genius

 

Me if he ever thinks of leaving the club…

[rjay 24,835]

30 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He was a rookie pick??! 

A Covid special...there was always going to be a player or two who slipped through.

Some good recruiting and a bit of luck see us with a very good player.