On 27/05/2023 at 18:46, JJR said:

Some demonlanders hit the panic button wayyy too early.

Some @JJR? That's like saying some Chinese vote for the CCP. 🤣

Edited May 27, 20231 yr by Queanbeyan Demon
Typo

  On 27/05/2023 at 14:35, Bobby McKenzie said:

Repeat, they are a good side. In the last three games they have beaten Sydney in Sydney,Geelong and now Melbourne on the MCG. Three pretty good scalps I would think.

But 2 of those teams mentioned are also outside the top 8. I

Posters can posters what they want as long as it doesn’t breach any site policies or standards.

We have the full spectrum of posters on DL from the overly optimistic to the overly pessimistic. Most are worth reading and have valid perspectives.

There are a couple that only bob up after a loss. Always with the I told you so’s. I just ignore them.

We’ll beat Carlton next Friday because they’re woeful, but the pies will give us a touch up. They’ll put 30-50 points on us based on current form. That’ll be 8-5 at the bye. Middle of the road mediocrity. That’s a bottom of the 8 trajectory which is in all honesty is our level because we’re playing like a bottom of the 8 team and have been for a while. I don’t know where the spark or inspiration is coming from to elevate us again.

  On 27/05/2023 at 14:35, Bobby McKenzie said:

Repeat, they are a good side. In the last three games they have beaten Sydney in Sydney,Geelong and now Melbourne on the MCG. Three pretty good scalps I would think.

I disagree they are a good side on the following basis.

The only top eight team they have beaten is us.

All their other wins were against sides below them and outside the top 8. 

Now at number 8 via points, their % is well below the next 2 teams at 9 and 10.

By good, if you mean they beat us, then therein lies the rub.

Edited May 27, 20231 yr by leave it to deever

Imagine having a list more talented than anything we are likely to see for another 20 years and not being frustrated when they underperform.

Edited May 27, 20231 yr by Clint Bizkit

  On 27/05/2023 at 09:45, Bobby McKenzie said:

Oh dear! we lose two games against good teams by a kick and the reaction of gloom and doom by some of our regular contributors including Joe Boy is so predictable.

 Win, we are the best. Lose. we are rabble and all is lost this year. Honestly, what mindset do they have? 7-4 and a great percentage and they complain.

What do you think Geelong supporters are feeling right now?  Do you think they have thrown in the towel? Sensible non Geelong supporters would never write them off as premiers 2023, me included. We will still give this flag a shake. 

Good Post, although I have stronger words than knee jerk.

  On 27/05/2023 at 11:52, Demondaze said:

Are you serious? the season is gone, the team is dispirited, there's no plan b. There is something seriously wrong with the team, the forward line is dysfunctional,  kicking skills are poor and we are stagnant, no one is running. Collingwood will have a 100 point win against us

 

 

Money up, please!

  On 27/05/2023 at 22:02, Clint Bizkit said:

Imagine having a list more talented than anything we are likely to see for another 20 years and not being frustrated when they underperform.

I think some people over estimate our list - I’m still trying to work out if some of them are just done at this level or our system / passion is just not right 

  On 27/05/2023 at 20:53, dazzledavey36 said:

Nor should you have to apologise. You have every right to vent and show frustration after a loss.

The ones telling you otherwise can seriously get in the bin. If you're calling it as you see it then you shouldn't be made to feel like a negative nancy.

Nah I'm with @Jaded No More. This is absolutely a [censored] take. You genuinely think supporters actually take a kick out of losing? C'mon mate.

When you're investing money into the club it shows a great level of passion, loyalty and support for this great club.

People should be allowe to express their frustration and disappointment after every loss without having guys like you accusing the same blokes of getting a kick out of a loss. 

I take no joy or pride in any loss. A loss is a loss, it [censored] sucks on all levels.

You don’t understand the context of what I said Dazzle. I never said any of what you implied.

Everyone is free to say whatever they want - even those who admitted THEY HAVEN’T EVEN BOTHERED TO WATCH YESTERDAY’S GAME, yet want to come on here and write a thesis about what’s wrong with the club. 

Not a knee jerk reaction when you look at the form line since the middle of last season 

If we could have had a normal disposal efficiency yesterday of say 78%, instead of 66%, we would have won well,

We can work on that, by decision making changing.

Less bomb, more pass.

  On 27/05/2023 at 22:40, Sydee said:

I think some people over estimate our list - I’m still trying to work out if some of them are just done at this level or our system / passion is just not right 

Our top-end talent is so good, I doubt we ever see so much in the same team again, especially with more teams coming in.

  On 27/05/2023 at 22:45, The heart beats true said:

You don’t understand the context of what I said Dazzle. I never said any of what you implied.

Everyone is free to say whatever they want - even those who admitted THEY HAVEN’T EVEN BOTHERED TO WATCH YESTERDAY’S GAME, yet want to come on here and write a thesis about what’s wrong with the club. 

You legitimately said you think supporters enjoy a loss purely so they can come on here and have a crack. That's plain wrong and I'll continue to call you out on your [censored]. No supporter enjoys a loss.

Watched the replay this and nothing completely changes my argument whatsoever. In fact all it does is back up every single main point I made.

You could learn a few pointers off me.

  On 27/05/2023 at 15:07, dee-tox said:

We had a champion team in 2021. We don't have one now. We have a decent list with Oliver and Petracca masking big holes in our list.

1. Our second tier midfielders are bog ordinary compared to the top teams.

That would be Sparrow, Brayshaw & Kossie

2. Our key forwards are a 20 year JvR and a washed up TMac.

Our key forward is Fritsch 

3. Our other All Australians (May, Gawn, Hibberd, Grundy, Lever) are on the decline or struggling for form.

Gawn 15 disposals 35 hit outs 

Grundy 19 disposals 20 hit outs

The only one on that list out of form is Lever

4. Our other 'stars': Salem, Fritsch, Kozzie, maybe Brayshaw have been subdued by their standards.

Fritsch is motoring towards another 50+ year

Picket headed for another 40+ year

Brayshaw was as good as his brother yesterday

Salem missed most of the games to date but showed a lot yesterday 19 gisposals 7 tackles

5. Our depth is shallow or untested. Tomlinson, Schache, Smith, Dunstan, Melksham, BBB can sometimes do a job but fluctuate in impact. The untested Howes, Laurie, Woey jnr, etc. have not been or have hardly been given the opportunity.

Delete the word 'shallow' and I would agree!

6. We have small forwards that are no longer impacting the scoreboard.

They have all been impacting the scoreboard on most occasions, just not kicking bags

It might be the game plan. Might be something else but this is not a 'champion' team.

Name the Champion Team from 2021, 2022 & 2023... Can you be a Champion Team then not be a Champion Team?

 

It’s actually a good read when posters stick to just analysing a loss with facts or valid reasons for a poor performance. 
The two things that are just plain wrong are:

1. The posters that only come here after a form slump/loss and give us their usual negative bulldust. Nowhere to be seen when the team is going well. 

2. The name calling of players after a loss. Such as the Brayshaw overweight plodder comments from last week. That is simply not on imo. 
 

  On 27/05/2023 at 22:46, Redleg said:

If we could have had a normal disposal efficiency yesterday of say 78%, instead of 66%, we would have won well,

We can work on that, by decision making changing.

Less bomb, more pass.

The bombing into the forward line has been evident since last year.

I'm utterly confused why we haven't rectified this over the off season when it was a glaring issue for our forward connection.

I'd like to know how many long bombs went to the goalsquare.

  On 27/05/2023 at 09:45, Bobby McKenzie said:

Oh dear! we lose two games against good teams by a kick and the reaction of gloom and doom by some of our regular contributors including Joe Boy is so predictable.

 Win, we are the best. Lose. we are rabble and all is lost this year. Honestly, what mindset do they have? 7-4 and a great percentage and they complain.

What do you think Geelong supporters are feeling right now?  Do you think they have thrown in the towel? Sensible non Geelong supporters would never write them off as premiers 2023, me included. We will still give this flag a shake. 

Understand your op, but there is a wide range of ages, personalities and character types on here, who will react differently to different situations.

We are rarely that good or that bad.

Footy fan forums exist to voice opinions, which will vary in the extreme.

Personally, I haven’t given up, far from it, but that doesn’t mean I can’t post on what I see happening from week to week, same as many others.

We have areas to work on and fans have every right to discuss those, without personal abuse of course. 

Andy would be furious if no one posted and DL would be very shallow if it just reported team changes.

 

  On 27/05/2023 at 22:53, dazzledavey36 said:

You legitimately said you think supporters enjoy a loss purely so they can come on here and have a crack. That's plain wrong and I'll continue to call you out on your [censored]. No supporter enjoys a loss.

Watched the replay this and nothing completely changes my argument whatsoever. In fact all it does is back up every single main point I made.

You could learn a few pointers off me.

That last bit made me laugh Dazzle because I know you were trying to stir me up, but it’s also true. It’s why I keep coming back here, even if I have to wade through a lot of emotional negativity just to get to see how others see the game.

  On 27/05/2023 at 22:58, dazzledavey36 said:

The bombing into the forward line has been evident since last year.

I'm utterly confused why we haven't rectified this over the off season when it was a glaring issue for our forward connection.

You and me both.

Do we honestly believe Roo or Tom being pushed, grabbed and 2 teamed, are going to consistently mark big bombs?

Also our small forwards seem to be off the boil too.

How many goals did the Dockers get from a chip pass?

Edited May 27, 20231 yr by Redleg

  On 27/05/2023 at 10:11, Little Goffy said:

I love it.

Watching other people going into complete toys-out-of-the-cot tantrum mode reminds me to let it go.

It is so distasteful it adds an intuitive repulsion to the rational choice to remain calm.

My only concern is that with that waft of hysterical farting around, sensible points might be overlooked.

This.

People can obviously choose their own post loss adventure.

But there's not much point engaging if you have a contrary perspective to the hysteria. 

The counter intuitive element is the hysteria is normalised and measured perspectives are dismissed as hysteria or head in the sand stuff.

It is a DL thing. And for the third year in a row around round 10 to post bye period it goes into full on mode.

Tis the season for anomalous results. One only need to look at yesterday's results for evidence.

Four top 8 sides rolled by teams outside the 8.

Including the cats at a ground they have a 90%, or some such wininning record.

I suspect Port will be added to that list today.

 

We have injuries that have robbed us of important players. We have a game plan that has been worked out by all teams and the better sides can now beat it. A number of our team are sadly out of form and last our tall forwards are simply not up to the task required to win games against good sides. We can all hope things can turn around but the reality suggests otherwise. 

Thanks buster, I'll make sure to watch Hitch-hikers guide and look out for the 'don't panic' signs. 

  On 27/05/2023 at 23:11, binman said:

People can obviously choose their own post loss adventure.

But there's not much point engaging if you have a contrary perspective to the hysteria. 

That’s very good advice. Noted.

  On 27/05/2023 at 09:45, Bobby McKenzie said:

Oh dear! we lose two games against good teams by a kick and the reaction of gloom and doom by some of our regular contributors including Joe Boy is so predictable.

 Win, we are the best. Lose. we are rabble and all is lost this year. Honestly, what mindset do they have? 7-4 and a great percentage and they complain.

What do you think Geelong supporters are feeling right now?  Do you think they have thrown in the towel? Sensible non Geelong supporters would never write them off as premiers 2023, me included. We will still give this flag a shake. 

How’s the rose coloured glasses going? We were terrible against an average opponent on our home deck & not much better in Port without their two best forwards out.

Our forward line is a shambles, Tmac has been a great servant of the club but his best days are years behind him & our 4 small forwards are way out of form.

We had a great wing combination in 2021 with Langdon & Brayshaw, so what does Goodwin do, bring in a 29yo reject from the Dogs, Langdon falls off the cliff & Brayshaw has to play anywhere there’s a vacant spot.

We now have 2 Wingers that run around like headless chooks & are afraid to tackle

Gawn & Grundy are a work in progress that’s really struggling connecting with our midfield (but hopefully will be ok)

The backline is still solid but not getting the help from up the ground that we were known for.

Geelong had 10 players out & still nearly find a way to win, we have Oliver & Petty out & are falling apart