Jump to content

Goodwin rank among AFL coaches

ElDiablo14
ElDiablo14
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

Posted

A couple of weeks ago a Pies supporter told me Goodwin is not a great coach, almost saying he was lucky to have a flag and overrated.

I actually tried to defend Goodwin's coaching and told him about how good his defensive structures are and how the players believed in him, almost like a father figure.

I am now starting to believe that what my Pies colleague said is true, Goodwin is overrated. I started to go through all the seasons we have been under his wing, lots of wasted seasons and missed opportunities (see 2017 and 2020).

 

I still believe we have a top 5 list, is the coach good enough for this list?

Where would you place Goodwin among all the current AFL coaches? Top 6? Not even top 8?

  • Quote
    • Like 2
     
    10 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    A couple of weeks ago a Pies supporter told me Goodwin is not a great coach, almost saying he was lucky to have a flag and overrated.

    I actually tried to defend Goodwin's coaching and told him about how good his defensive structures are and how the players believed in him, almost like a father figure.

    I am now starting to believe that what my Pies colleague said is true, Goodwin is overrated. I started to go through all the seasons we have been under his wing, lots of wasted seasons and missed opportunities (see 2017 and 2020).

     

    I still believe we have a top 5 list, is the coach good enough for this list?

    Where would you place Goodwin among all the current AFL coaches? Top 6? Not even top 8?

    Yep. 2 losses on the trot and the coach is suddenly hopeless. Smart.

  • Quote
    • Love 1

    Classic post loss thread

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Love 1
    • Haha 1
     

    Reckon there’s a very very long thread on here already called something like ‘is Goodwin the right guy?’

  • Quote
    • Haha 4
    • Author
    2 minutes ago, Redlagged said:

    Yep. 2 losses on the trot and the coach is suddenly hopeless. Smart.

    It's not about these 2 losses. 

    That's why I made my point about his whole tenure. Go ahead and check seasons 2017 - 2023 and rate each one, how many would you consider successful?

    This year is starting to feel like the second half of last year.

  • Quote

    I still think he's good coach but I'm not sure he's he's a great match day coach.  He seems to struggle to make changes during the game when things are going wrong

  • Quote
    10 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    It's not about these 2 losses. 

    That's why I made my point about his whole tenure. Go ahead and check seasons 2017 - 2023 and rate each one, how many would you consider successful?

    This year is starting to feel like the second half of last year.

    Goody was effectively the coach in 16 as well as 17 and he took a side that managed 7 wins by parking the bus in 2015 and won 10 and 12 games. Was disappointing to miss finals in 17 but both seasons were huge successes.

    2018 was a 10 out of 10 job.

    2019 was a disaster. But look at Adam Simpson at West Coast, some times your injuries just stuff you.

    2020, a disappointment for sure. But we established a defensive system and played some young guys who were destined for greatness.

    2022, I don’t blame the coaching. They tried to address faults without robbing strengths. Injuries to key players stuffed us. Honestly it wasn’t a bad premiership defence job compared to a lot of sides.

    This year, I’m reluctant to say the coaching is the issue. We had a very poor list management off season losing a valuable young player and only adding 2 stop gap solutions. We lost 3 more best 26 players in Weid, Bedford and Hunt for nothing substantial either. Didn’t draft any mature talent.

    Some of that is on the coach. Some of that was probably by design banking picks for this year. But the reality is we’re really thin for talent in certain areas and it’s making it hard to keep up with quicker more skilful sides.

    Edited by DeeSpencer

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    6 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    It's not about these 2 losses. 

    That's why I made my point about his whole tenure. Go ahead and check seasons 2017 - 2023 and rate each one, how many would you consider successful?

    This year is starting to feel like the second half of last year.

    When a team is in a slump it's not bright to knife the coach. An alternative view is that he's got the best out of team that has rather too many dour players. Our bottom half is not crash hot. And a few of our top shelf players are short of their best. So...you get losses. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     

    Absolutely cabbage of a coach. Outcoached every match and not getting enough of the talent at his disposal

  • Quote

    3 minutes ago, sydneydee said:

    Absolutely cabbage of a coach. Outcoached every match and not getting enough of the talent at his disposal

    That's right. With our glittering array of talent on the forward line why aren't we winning every week? Seriously...the exaggeration of our list's talent is bewildering. Clear deficiencies, esp in skill, athleticism and speed.

  • Quote
    48 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    A couple of weeks ago a Pies supporter told me Goodwin is not a great coach, almost saying he was lucky to have a flag and overrated.

    Well, I agree with the Pie.

  • Quote
    17 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

    Can he reinvent the team and turn our season around? Can't see it happening

    Goodwin is more evolution, not revolution.

    Do you back in the coach or back in the players? Both need to change their attitude and endeavour pronto.

  • Quote

    Good relationship / people management coach -  which is important these days. However, tactically ridged -  been beaten the same way for 12 months and doesn’t change anything -  makes no In-game adjustments -  just sets team at the start and plays games no matter the circumstances.

    Can’t remember a time where we’ve set a creative or radical gameplan for an opposition or won a game from the coaches box -  I’d hate to think how good we could be with Sam Mitchell in charge.

     

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    58 minutes ago, Redlagged said:

    That's right. With our glittering array of talent on the forward line why aren't we winning every week? Seriously...the exaggeration of our list's talent is bewildering. Clear deficiencies, esp in skill, athleticism and speed.

    Precisely.

     

  • Quote

    Funny how you rate the list a top 5 and we are sitting 4th atm... only halfway through the season.

    Our form does worry me we haven't played our best since Sydney game but if we get going after the bye and no more injuries to key players we can go all the way..

  • Quote

    😄 I Think, apart from being our first premiership coach in over 50 years, he was a bees' penis away from holding the longest consecutive run in the top four.

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    We need a change to the assistant coaches at the end of the season. Bring in some fresh ideas. The midfield and forwardline especially is not working. 
     

    Goodwin is a good off field coach. Players love him and culturally he’s done so much for the team. But we need to freshen things up in the box. 

  • Quote
    • Like 5

    1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

    We need a change to the assistant coaches at the end of the season. Bring in some fresh ideas. The midfield and forwardline especially is not working. 
     

    Goodwin is a good off field coach. Players love him and culturally he’s done so much for the team. But we need to freshen things up in the box. 

    Agree with the assistant coaches but I believe there is NOW something lacking with Goodwin. I just don't think he can get the players up enough. With our list we should behaving a long hard think at years end. Today was it for the MFC in 2023.

  • Quote
    1 hour ago, sydneydee said:

    Absolutely cabbage of a coach. Outcoached every match and not getting enough of the talent at his disposal

    That's harsh.  He delivered a premiership 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    1 hour ago, Stiff Arm said:

    Can he reinvent the team and turn our season around? Can't see it happening

    It's possible.  Fremantle, Bulldogs and Port Adelaide have turned their seasons around.  Can we turn it around and win it? I doubt it

  • Quote
    4 minutes ago, Orion said:

    It's possible.  Fremantle, Bulldogs and Port Adelaide have turned their seasons around.  Can we turn it around and win it? I doubt it

    Goodwin has no ideas on how to coach this team. It is another wasted season. Absolutely furious that we lost todays match. 

  • Quote
    • Like 3

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • GAMEDAY: Richmond

      It's Game Day and the Demons return to the MCG to face the Tigers in their annual Blockbuster on ANZAC Eve for the 10th time. The Dees will be desperate to reignite their stuttering 2025 campaign and claim just their second win of the season. Can the Demons dig deep and find that ANZAC Spirit to snatch back to back wins?

      • 1 reply
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Richmond

      A few years ago, the Melbourne Football Club produced a documentary about the decade in which it rose from its dystopic purgatory of regular thrashings to the euphoria of a premiership victory. That entire period could have been compressed in a fast motion version of the 2025 season to date as the Demons went from embarrassing basket case to glorious winner in an unexpected victory over the Dockers last Saturday. They transformed in a single week from a team that put in a pedestrian effort of predictably kicking the ball long down the line into attack that made a very ordinary Bombers outfit look like worldbeaters into a slick, fast moving side with urgency and a willingness to handball and create play with shorter kicks and by changing angles to generate an element of chaos that yielded six goals in each of the opening quarters against Freo. 

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 07

      Round 7 gets underway in iconic fashion with the traditional ANZAC Day blockbuster. The high-flying Magpies will be looking to solidify their spot atop the ladder, while the Bombers are desperate for a win to stay in touch with the top eight. Later that evening, Fremantle will be out to redeem themselves after a disappointing loss to the Demons, facing a hungry Adelaide side with eyes firmly set on breaking into the top four. Saturday serves up a triple-header of footy action. The Lions will be looking to consolidate their Top 2 spot as they head to Marvel Stadium to clash with the Saints. Over in Adelaide, Port Adelaide will be strong favourites at home against a struggling North Melbourne. The day wraps up with a fiery encounter in Canberra, where the Giants and Bulldogs renew their bitter rivalry. Sunday’s schedule kicks off with the Suns aiming to bounce back from their shock defeat to Richmond, taking on the out of form Swans.Then the Blues will be out to claim a major scalp when they battle the Cats at the MCG. The round finishes with a less-than-thrilling affair between Hawthorn and West Coast at Marvel. Who are you tipping and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • 3 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Fremantle

      For this year’s Easter Saturday game at the MCG, Simon Goodwin and his Demons wound the clock back a few years to wipe out the horrible memories of last season’s twin thrashings at the hands of the Dockers. And it was about time! Melbourne’s indomitable skipper Max Gawn put in a mammoth performance in shutting out his immediate opponent Sean Darcy in the ruck and around the ground and was a colossus at the end when the game was there to be won or lost. It was won by 16.11.107 to 14.13.97. There was the battery-charged Easter Bunny in Kysaiah Pickett running anyone wearing purple ragged, whether at midfield stoppages or around the big sticks. He finish with a five goal haul.

        • Love
        • Thanks
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: UWS Giants

      The Casey Demons took on an undefeated UWS Giants outfit at their own home ground on a beautiful autumn day but found themselves completely out of their depth going down by 53 points against a well-drilled and fair superior combination. Despite having 15 AFL listed players at their disposal - far more than in their earlier matches this season - the Demons were never really in the game and suffered their second defeat in a row after their bright start to the season when they drew with the Kangaroos, beat the Suns and matched the Cats for most of the day on their own dung heap at Corio Bay. The Giants were a different proposition altogether. They had a very slight wind advantage in the opening quarter but were too quick off the mark for the Demons, tearing the game apart by the half way mark of the term when they kicked the first five goals with clean and direct football.

        • Thanks
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Richmond

      The Dees are back at the MCG on Thursday for the annual blockbuster ANZAC Eve game against the Tigers. Can the Demons win back to back games for the first time since Rounds 17 & 18 last season? Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
      • 262 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All