POSTGAME: Rd 11 vs Walyalup

[Adam The God 30,421]

This is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

[dazzledavey36 55,361]

15 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I listened to Binman talk about it every week last year saying we were primed for finals and then I watched us go out in straight sets.

It's an absolute myth. 

The same blokes that were banging on about it went MIA after the finals run.

Funny that.

[titan_uranus 25,045]

Just now, A F said:

This is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

Goodwin in the presser suggested as much, focusing on our inefficiency across the ground (ie in transition, in connection and in terms of shots on goal). 

He also focused on their third quarter scores from stoppage. Against Brisbane and Port as well, we conceded too many goals from stoppage (particularly in the forward half). 

We can’t afford to be inefficient in transition from turnover if we are going to be sub-par at stoppage, which has been the case all year even with Clarry. When we get looks on turnover, we need to capitalise. 

[nedleg 177]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Was he in The Little Rascals?

Nah that was Lou Richards.

[Adam The God 30,421]

17 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Sourced from AFL.com, We only scored 2.5 (17) from defensive half scoring chains, despite being ranked No.1 in the comp (averaging 40). In other words, Freo went to work on a ball movement.

It means we didn't capitalise on our scoring chains from. defensive half turnovers. Instead of kicking, say 5.2, we kicked 2.5...

[SPC 3,552]

I think our alteration to the gameplan Is laborious. Living off defensive turnover is hard, when you have become a poor defensive team 

[Adam The God 30,421]

20 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If true, why is this? Why do our opponents regularly bring their best pressure against us? 

Arguing that “they know pressure is our weakness” is silly because pressure is every side’s weakness. Sides would bring elite pressure all 23 weeks if they could. But for most, they can’t. 

But why us? Do we invite it somehow? Does the stat go up because we fumble and they get another point for a repeat tackle or something? Is it up because ours is down? (I don’t think it’s this because our pressure was high last week v Port). Do they just view us as a massive threat and gee themselves up for us - the whole “hunter vs hunted” mentality? Is it just plain bad luck?

I hold the view that it's very likely that most teams treat playing us like a final because we were premiers only 18 months ago and still finished top 2 last year, and are in the top 4 again this year.

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,963]

19 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If true, why is this? Why do our opponents regularly bring their best pressure against us? 

Arguing that “they know pressure is our weakness” is silly because pressure is every side’s weakness. Sides would bring elite pressure all 23 weeks if they could. But for most, they can’t. 

But why us? Do we invite it somehow? Does the stat go up because we fumble and they get another point for a repeat tackle or something? Is it up because ours is down? (I don’t think it’s this because our pressure was high last week v Port). Do they just view us as a massive threat and gee themselves up for us - the whole “hunter vs hunted” mentality? Is it just plain bad luck?

It’s an interesting discussion. I have been thinking for a while that we allow way too much uncontested possession with the zone we play. I would love us to dial up bit more heat at the source. The ball comes out of our forward line far too easily. Our game used to be based on contest and defence currently we are poor at both.

[bing181 9,329]

2 hours ago, —coach— said:

No idea but at the moment we have the best Demons list I’ve seen I’m my lifetime

Perhaps, but that's not to say that it's the best list in the comp. 

(Hint: it's not.)

[demon3165 2,805]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

I hold the view that it's very likely that most teams treat playing us like a final because we were premiers only 18 months ago and still finished top 2 last year, and are in the top 4 again this year.

Wow, and I thought I need therapy.... 

[Adam The God 30,421]

9 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Goodwin in the presser suggested as much, focusing on our inefficiency across the ground (ie in transition, in connection and in terms of shots on goal). 

He also focused on their third quarter scores from stoppage. Against Brisbane and Port as well, we conceded too many goals from stoppage (particularly in the forward half). 

We can’t afford to be inefficient in transition from turnover if we are going to be sub-par at stoppage, which has been the case all year even with Clarry. When we get looks on turnover, we need to capitalise. 

Thanks.

Interesting given the bit below the bit I quoted on the AFL ap said:

"While Walyalup outscored Narrm by 12 from stoppages throughout the game, it was their third quarter where they outscored Narrm by 25 points from stoppages- that set up the significant victory".

It's also intrresting to note the next bit mentioned by the AFL ap:

"Angus Brayshaw misses a crucial set shot at goal, from a Walyalup turnover. It's Narrm's first score of the match from a forward-50 intercept chain."

In other words, we couldn't turn the ball over in the forward half of the ground today, but our defensive half turn overs should still have resulted in a significant score, somewhere up or over 100 points.

So lots of room for improvement.

[layzie 34,014]

6 minutes ago, A F said:

I hold the view that it's very likely that most teams treat playing us like a final because we were premiers only 18 months ago and still finished top 2 last year, and are in the top 4 again this year.

This is true, we've got a target on our back every week now. Means we have to bring our absolute best which isn't always possible. 

I'm not going to go all simplistic and say that they've lost the hunger and stuff like that. But we have got to find a way to become the hunters again. (Will help once we get a Hunter back)

[Roost it far 8,634]

Every other team knows that we can’t take unrelenting pressure. We crack and our leader falls over under said pressure

[Adam The God 30,421]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

This is true, we've got a target on our back every week now. Means we have to bring our absolute best which isn't always possible. 

I'm not going to go all simplistic and say that they've lost the hunger and stuff like that. But we have got to find a way to become the hunters again. (Will help once we get a Hunter back)

Funny you say Hunter, because if you look at our inability to convert our defensive half turnovers into scores, yes, inaccuracy was a huge factor, but I think we missed Hunter more than we might have imagined. He's a very smart player and usually hits targets and makes good decisions.

[Beetle 4,681]

If someone can please explain to me what Viney’s role was in the first half that’d be great.

if he was ‘supposedly’ tagging Brayshaw with 2 stats v Brayshaws 16 then that is a monumental coaching fail.

Oliver out and you send our number 2 contended ball winner to a tag when Harmes is in the team? Jesus Christ.

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

1 minute ago, Roost it far said:

Every other team knows that we can’t take unrelenting pressure. We crack and our leader falls over under said pressure

That’s no different to any other team though right? 
we didn’t lose to pressure - we lost on our inability to convert our opportunities…

[waynewussell 6,242]

Let me get this right... We are in the top four with the highest percentage... but its time to

Sack The Coach

Sack all the coaches

Gawn is finished

Grundy is a loser

Our list is shizen

No hope for the future!

Edited May 27, 2023 by waynewussell

[Adam The God 30,421]

2 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Every other team knows that we can’t take unrelenting pressure. We crack and our leader falls over under said pressure

No team can take unrelenting pressure. There is nothing insightful about that as a take mate. That's essentially how you win any team sport and certainly AFL football...

[Die Hard Demon 1,224]

Thanks for ruining my bday dees.

[Ungarieboy 443]

At least other results have gone our way

[Adam The God 30,421]

28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It's an absolute myth. 

The same blokes that were banging on about it went MIA after the finals run.

Funny that.

Again, have you listened to the podcast with our own fitness boss...?

[Jack7 528]

The Saints and Dogs would've knocked us out of the top 4 but we hang on for another week.

 

Bring on the Baggers Friday night,although the way we're playing,it's not a gimme

Edited May 27, 2023 by Jack7

[DeeSpencer 26,083]

27 minutes ago, A F said:

This is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

Defensive half scoring is not sustainable against good teams though. What’s that number without the 3 easy wins?

We lost the game when our transition defensive run dropped off in the middle to late 3rd quarter. Maybe it was time for an aggressive sub then? Or to play a 5th on baller.

With sloppy execution pretty much everywhere. 

And with a lack of goal scoring forward efforts be they team or individual, you need a pack mark, a crumb, a laced out kick, a chase down tackle. Freo pulled a few out today and we didn’t. 

[Adam The God 30,421]

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Defensive half scoring is not sustainable against good teams though. What’s that number without the 3 easy wins?

We lost the game when our transition defensive run dropped off in the middle to late 3rd quarter. Maybe it was time for an aggressive sub then? Or to play a 5th on baller.

With sloppy execution pretty much everywhere. 

And with a lack of goal scoring forward efforts be they team or individual, you need a pack mark, a crumb, a laced out kick, a chase down tackle. Freo pulled a few out today and we didn’t. 

Reckon Collingwood might beg to differ. This is how they've played for 12 months.

Sure, you need multiple avenues to goal, and we need to stop allowing too many goals from stoppage, however it's our sloppiness as you say that let us down.

[layzie 34,014]

10 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Let me get this right... We are in the top four with the highest percentage... but its time to

Sack The Coach

Sack all the coaches

Gawn is finished

Grundy is a loser

Our list is shizen

No hope for the future!

That's about right.

Also cancel Christmas.