30 minutes ago, layzie said:

I don't think I missed the point at all and that's precisely what I was suggesting with this post. We literally could not be more on the same page.

It's the people that come on here and make people like you and I feel bad about complaining because 'it was only a 4 point loss" and we should be grateful that I'm talking about. 

Then you and I are on exactly the same page. 

3 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I guess it's just that it would be a shame to waste this premiership window.

We already wasted 2022, and this year is not looking particularly positive.

The competition is getting tougher and we may want to take our chances ,while we still have them, with the current list.

The competition is always tough - I am starting to think we have peaked and while still in the window are most definitely on the way down. 

May and Gawn are a shadow of themselves and while I cannot imagine it, the end of their careers is at most 1-2 seasons a way. Also, Based on performances this year against similar quality teams, Trac and Oliver can really no longer lay claim as the best 1,2 combo in the AFL either. 

I may be proven wrong and boy I hope I  bloody am but If the potential is still their and the desire still burns hot then they can show everybody by going 4-0 in the next month. I doubt they can, but to me that’s what it’s going to take to change my mind.

5 hours ago, A F said:

Sure, they should have been further up at half time, but we should have brought pressure and work rate for the first half and didn't.

Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems.

We're in the top 4 for most attacking and defensive stats. Yet, we have a lot of room for improvement.

Given it's May, there should be some room for optimism. But you've already planted your anti-Goodwin flag, so that'll be harder to see past.

I wish I could be as positive as you are about our team AF. All I’ve seen this year is us whipping the easy beats and getting beaten by top sides. I see us getting creamed at the clearances, predominately poor disposal skills, a forward line that gets comfortably beaten by the better sides, and a backline being worked out by opposition coaches of the better sides. I’m as optimistic as the next guy, but not seeing much to reinforce that optimism. And I have to ask - is it the quality of our players that is lacking, or is it the game plan, coaching or game day coaching that is causing us these issues? It has to be one or the other doesn’t it? 

4 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

The competition is always tough - I am starting to think we have peaked and while still in the window are most definitely on the way down. 

May and Gawn are a shadow of themselves and while I cannot imagine it, the end of their careers is at most 1-2 seasons a way. Also, Based on performances this year against similar quality teams, Trac and Oliver can really no longer lay claim as the best 1,2 combo in the AFL either. 

I may be proven wrong and boy I hope I  bloody am but If the potential is still their and the desire still burns hot then they can show everybody by going 4-0 in the next month. I doubt they can, but to me that’s what it’s going to take to change my mind.

The Trac-Oliver conondrum, at least to me, is that I wish they were one player combined. Trac has the power and class, while Oliver has the consistency and toughness/mongrel. 

They need to find the right balance to be a damaging duo. 

If by some magic we could mix both in one player, that player would be considered one of the GOATs.

Interesting that all of our losses have come on the road after being such a good travelling team recently. May be the opposition rather than where we played, or perhaps it's just that we aren't good enough to beat top 8 teams at their home grounds (other than Essendon who just smashed us).

I think our performance has been covered enough in this thread, but I will say it’s great to see May find some form again. I thought he was the only one who stood up for 4 quarters last night. 
 

Worrying signs, but we have a run of games ahead against quality sides to prove me wrong. 

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Those that suggest we didnt go toooooo bad .....after all it was only 4 points , think about the real reason we were within a kick.

Port couldn't buy a goal early on.  

Had they...well... it's a different conversation for some. 

 

It gets forgotten about once the final score is released. The fact that we were belted in nearly every metric we pride ourselves on and Port missing 60 set shots doesn't matter because hey we fought back and got within a kick. It's all sweet bro, galant effort!

This game and the Brisbane game were maulings at the coalface. Contested ball, our 1-wood as the coach likes to say. These close results shouldn't be band aids over problems that are actually quite obvious. 

Edited May 20, 20231 yr by layzie

If the players are as annoyed about last night as I am we should win the next 6. Interesting few months ahead.

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

 

A win paying $50 is Ok     but implies a poor history

34 minutes ago, layzie said:

It gets forgotten about once the final score is released. The fact that we were belted in nearly every metric we pride ourselves on and Port missing 60 set shots doesn't matter because hey we fought back and got within a kick. It's all sweet bro, galant effort!

This game and the Brisbane game were maulings at the coalface. Contested ball, our 1-wood as the coach likes to say. These close results shouldn't be band aids over problems that are actually quite obvious. 

Don’t forget the Bombers and Suns as well. We were lucky to get 4 pts against the Suns.

There is a recency bias about the H&A season and winning the premiership. The last 2 premiers finished top and won. The premiers in the preceding seven years weren't the top team after H&A. (Of course, Top 4 is vital with only the Bulldogs in 2016 and the Crows in 1998)

We need to be in the best shape and in the top 4 come September. That's all that counts.

Tom Jonas get 1 weeks for dangerous tackle on Tmac

Umpire paod holding the ball against Tmac... 🤷‍♂️

 

 

Edited May 20, 20231 yr by Graeme Yeats' Mullet

Last night was deja vu for me. Was watching on AFL our game against Port in 2018 on a wet night in Adelaide. A real tough game like last night and we got murdered by maggots in the last quarter to make sure Port got up for a narrow victory. Uncanny the similarity.

2 hours ago, Smokey said:

I think our performance has been covered enough in this thread, but I will say it’s great to see May find some form again. I thought he was the only one who stood up for 4 quarters last night. 
 

Worrying signs, but we have a run of games ahead against quality sides to prove me wrong. 

You didn't feel Clarry stood up?

1st quarter - 11 disposals, 1 tackle

2nd quarter - 4 disposals, 4 tackles

3rd quarter - 10 disposals, 3 tackles

4th quarter - 5 disposals, 1 tackle.

30 disposals, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 6 intercept possessions, 6 score involvements, 39 pressure acts (almost elite), 569 metres gained. All from 86% TOG.

FMD, he gets a hard go on here. We are witnessing one of the greatest footballers of all time, running around in our jumper, and it's going unnoticed even by our own supporters.

May was great, but if he'd kept his feet instead of inexplicably going to ground moments earlier, it may never have gotten to Rozee in the square for the match winner.

Just now, A F said:

You didn't feel Clarry stood up?

1st quarter - 11 disposals, 1 tackle

2nd quarter - 4 disposals, 4 tackles

3rd quarter - 10 disposals, 3 tackles

4th quarter - 5 disposals, 1 tackle.

30 disposals, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 6 intercept possessions, 6 score involvements, 39 pressure acts (almost elite), 569 metres gained. All from 86% TOG.

FMD, he gets a hard go on here. We are witnessing one of the greatest footballers of all time, running around in our jumper, and it's going unnoticed even by our own supporters.

May was great, but if he'd kept his feet instead of inexplicably going to ground moments earlier, it may never have gotten to Rozee in the square for the match winner.

I swear Oliver could have 9000 touches and people will complain he didn’t have a good enough game. 
He is one of the all time greatest midfielders and he and Trac, as per usual, turned the game around for us in the third. 
But by all means let’s complain about him when about a dozen of his teammates barely touched the footy all night. 

I put my rose coloured glasses back on and realised we only lost by 4 points to an inform PA side on their home deck with the umpires on their side and we only really played well for one quarter.  Premiership anyone? That’s just so much better. 

22 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I swear Oliver could have 9000 touches and people will complain he didn’t have a good enough game. 
He is one of the all time greatest midfielders and he and Trac, as per usual, turned the game around for us in the third. 
But by all means let’s complain about him when about a dozen of his teammates barely touched the footy all night. 

The reason why this happens is Oliver doesn’t hurt you with scores, it’s his biggest flaw. If he got 20-30 goals a year, he would end up being a hall of famer. No body questions his inside game. 
 

 

8 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

The reason why this happens is Oliver doesn’t hurt you with scores, it’s his biggest flaw. If he got 20-30 goals a year, he would end up being a hall of famer. No body questions his inside game. 
 

 

Nobody would hurt us with scores if it wasn’t for Oliver getting the ball to them. 

Just now, Jaded No More said:

Nobody would hurt us with scores if it wasn’t for Oliver getting the ball to them. 

I hear ya, but snags are better than assists.

Just now, Gawndy the Great said:

I hear ya, but snags are better than assists.

He had 6 score involvements and 8 inside 50s.

Do you want him to win the clearances then run inside 50 kicking it to himself and then kick the goal? I mean that would be impressive! 

Just now, Jaded No More said:

He had 6 score involvements and 8 inside 50s.

Do you want him to win the clearances then run inside 50 kicking it to himself and then kick the goal? I mean that would be impressive! 

I’m not disagreeing with you - he’s a gun abd will win a Brownlow. But snags register in the viewers mind 10x more than i50 or clearance and that’s why he doesn’t get the accolades that he should.

5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Those that suggest we didnt go toooooo bad .....after all it was only 4 points , think about the real reason we were within a kick.

Port couldn't buy a goal early on.  

Had they...well... it's a different conversation for some. 

 

When we are inaccurate, it’s because we suck. 

When our opponent is inaccurate, they’re unlucky. 

FWIW, most of their misses were from 45m+ out. In the wet, those were hard kicks. They weren’t getting easy shots, despite dominating time in forward half. Our defensive system held up for much of the game under high pressure. 

4 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

I wish I could be as positive as you are about our team AF. All I’ve seen this year is us whipping the easy beats and getting beaten by top sides. I see us getting creamed at the clearances, predominately poor disposal skills, a forward line that gets comfortably beaten by the better sides, and a backline being worked out by opposition coaches of the better sides. I’m as optimistic as the next guy, but not seeing much to reinforce that optimism. And I have to ask - is it the quality of our players that is lacking, or is it the game plan, coaching or game day coaching that is causing us these issues? It has to be one or the other doesn’t it? 

You’re as optimistic as the next guy but can only see the negatives? Not sure that’s how optimism works…

Someone got the win/loss of Narm from the last few year?  

5 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Someone got the win/loss of Narm from the last few year?  

are you superstitious?

52 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Someone got the win/loss of Narm from the last few year?  

1-1

like it matters tho