12 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

16 hours ago, bush demon said:

Soft modern-day  football boots is the problem.  The past players' association should insist on our players only wearing  Ron Barassi boots with  appropriate metal caps (ouch, kicking in danger) and thick leather soul and hard leathered skin.

And high ankle support. Modern boots sacrifice support for flexibility and mobility

The old chestnuts. It’s a clinical and evidential truth that high ankle support boots are pointless, cos they don’t offer ANY support. EVERY player has both ankles strapped EVERY game and training session, cos it’s the only evidence-based (external) intervention for ankle injuries. As to the stiff boot/sole/hard cap toe idea, these are a unmitigated disaster in a fast running multi-directional sport. What you limit in movement through the foot (which only creates areas of specific load, thus habitual stress risk) is ultimately born higher up the chain - ankle, knee, hip. The foot and ankle are mobile structures, so we try and protect them from extremes without immobilising totally - flexible orthotics for the foot, strapping for the ankle. 

12 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Close.

Away games to GWS at Manuka:

1. Western Bulldogs - 7
2. Melbourne - 4
3. Gold Coast - 4
4. Port Adelaide - 3
5. Fremantle - 3
6. Geelong - 3
7. St Kilda - 3
8. Brisbane - 2
9. Hawthorn - 1
10. North Melbourne - 1
11. Adelaide - 1
12. Richmond - 1
13. Carlton - 0
14. Collingwood - 0
15. Essendon - 0
16. Sydney - 0
17. West Coast - 0

Always down the bottom Coll, Car and TWSNBN. What a bunch of bum benders.

11 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Implementing protective footwear and slowing the game down to help minimise injuries. That’s outrageous.

that's a croc!

51 minutes ago, Webber said:

The old chestnuts. It’s a clinical and evidential truth that high ankle support boots are pointless, cos they don’t offer ANY support. EVERY player has both ankles strapped EVERY game and training session, cos it’s the only evidence-based (external) intervention for ankle injuries. As to the stiff boot/sole/hard cap toe idea, these are an unmitigated disaster in a fast running multi-directional sport. What you limit in movement through the foot (which only creates areas of specific load, thus habitual stress risk) is ultimately born higher up the chain - ankle, knee, hip. The foot and ankle are mobile structures, so we try and protect them from extremes without immobilising totally - flexible orthotics for the foot, strapping for the ankle. 

It is well documented that many old time footballers in the past had career ending knee injuries but I don’t recall many with career ending foot/ankle injuries.

I know it’s a different sport but try skiing with overly flexible light unsupportive boots. One would end up with sore ankles, knees and well as shins and thighs. Rigid supportive boots limit the risk most of these issues especially skiing fast or difficult terrain. I know well as I am an experienced skier.

Maverick Don Scott used to be plagued with foot injuries until he started wearing custom supportive high ankle boots which helped him through a long career. Granted it slowed him down but speed wasn’t the be all and end all of the game then.

Edited August 8, 20231 yr by John Crow Batty

27 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

It is well documented that many old time footballers in the past had career ending knee injuries but I don’t recall many with career ending foot/ankle injuries.

I know it’s a different sport but try skiing with overly flexible loose fitting boots. One would end up with sore ankles, knees and well as shins and thighs. Rigid supportive boots limit the risk most of these issues especially skiing fast or difficult terrain. I know well as I am an experienced skier.

Maverick Don Scott used to be plagued with foot injuries until he started wearing custom supportive high ankle boots which helped him through a long career. Granted it slowed him down but speed wasn’t the be all and end all of the game then.

I’m not going to argue with you JCB, but anecdotal perception in this case is meaningless compared to decades of measurable evidence, experimentation and analysis. Needless to say, the game today is also very different from Don Scott’s era. Skiing is a singular sport, in that it requires a rigid, locked in boot-ski combo. It also doesn’t have anything close to the ground impact forces of running, jumping etc, so the foot is spared loading forces. The rotational payoff of this locked foot and ankle, even with quick release boots, is a huge number of knee injuries. ACL’s meniscal tears, collateral ligament tears, and joint surface trauma.I know this, I rehabilitate them. 

38 minutes ago, Webber said:

I’m not going to argue with you JCB, but anecdotal perception in this case is meaningless compared to decades of measurable evidence, experimentation and analysis. Needless to say, the game today is also very different from Don Scott’s era. Skiing is a singular sport, in that it requires a rigid, locked in boot-ski combo. It also doesn’t have anything close to the ground impact forces of running, jumping etc, so the foot is spared loading forces. The rotational payoff of this locked foot and ankle, even with quick release boots, is a huge number of knee injuries. ACL’s meniscal tears, collateral ligament tears, and joint surface trauma.I know this, I rehabilitate them. 

I respect your medical expertise but I have worked as a nurse and many years as a manager in the Public Service heath industry. One observation I have made is that with vexing medical issues there is always a yay or nay opinion amongst professionals. But when well financed vested interests are stakeholders their preferred opinions usually wins. Manufacturers hate supportive boots because they are ugly and expensive to make, require custom fitting in many cases and players don’t like them because they slow them down, are uncomfortable and lack sex appeal. The AFL well known for shunning protective gear don’t  like protective boots because they slow down the game down and as well as the other negative image perceptions they hold.
 

Further there is no evidence that supportive boots are detrimental. They haven’t been used for decades and there is negligible current real world experience to test. There was a lot of controversy in the 1970’s when lightweight low cut soccer boots first appeared in football. They were blamed for an increase in foot and ankle injuries in days when ground conditions were primitive as well. Supportive boots are for support only. Twist my ankle slowly it won’t hurt much. Twist it fast then ouch.
As for skiing the only times I have had knee injuries is when skiing overseas and hired boots that turned out to be too soft and unsupportive. There were limited choices. 

s.

Edited August 8, 20231 yr by John Crow Batty

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

John Ralph is a peanut. He's Robbo with a tie.

I used to play cricket with Ralphy. He's actually a top bloke.

He was a better bowler than footy analyst but (I actually think his news stuff is pretty good - should stick to it).

19 hours ago, daisycutter said:

only the greeks knew how to dress soldiers

Ha! I saw this in action live end of May. I have video proof. And if you thought Monty Python's silly walks were ridiculous you should look this up. 

 

1 hour ago, Webber said:

I’m not going to argue with you JCB, but anecdotal perception in this case is meaningless compared to decades of measurable evidence, experimentation and analysis. Needless to say, the game today is also very different from Don Scott’s era. Skiing is a singular sport, in that it requires a rigid, locked in boot-ski combo. It also doesn’t have anything close to the ground impact forces of running, jumping etc, so the foot is spared loading forces. The rotational payoff of this locked foot and ankle, even with quick release boots, is a huge number of knee injuries. ACL’s meniscal tears, collateral ligament tears, and joint surface trauma.I know this, I rehabilitate them. 

Agree with this, skiing is the best 

Any word on Petty?

1 minute ago, Roost it far said:

Any word on Petty?

No news is no news..

lis franc/mid-foot's are horrible. They need to get the diagnosis right otherwise it can be years. I'm a year on from my own and just starting to jog last month. 

6 hours ago, picket fence said:

I STILL HAVE MY ADIDAS LA PLATA 

What a boot!, also Screw in Wemblys and a couple of Puma boots

I assume for self defence if you have home invaders. I wear a few scars from those beauties from back in the day. 

5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

One interesting opinion from the media this week is the impact of changing tackle styles since concussion became the focus. if you watch MaKay he tackles Petty and then falls to his knees and leans back. This avoids any chance of Petty's head hitting the ground. What it does do is drastically increase the chance of serious leg injuries. Going to be interesting watching this play out over the next few seasons.

They give a penalty in the rugby league. They call it a hip drop,"when a player drops their body weight onto an opponent's legs in such a way as to constitute an unacceptable risk of injury."

They could enforce the AFL rule of no tackles below the knee (tinker with the interpretation). 

Edited August 8, 20231 yr by kev martin

11 minutes ago, kev martin said:

They give a foul in the rugby league. They call it a hip drop,"when a player drops their body weight onto an opponent's legs in such a way as to constitute an unacceptable risk of injury."

They could enforce the AFL rule of no tackles below the knee (tinker with the interpretation). 

We'll be at "hugs only" tackles soon.

Totally understand why they'd want to limit that though.

10 minutes ago, Brownie said:

We'll be at "hugs only" tackles soon.

It nearly is already, as the main strategic idea is to wrap the ball up, and stop its movement. 

I think that is why dropping the ball in tackles, is no longer a free. The AFL Heads want the ball moving. A team without it has to stop the ball. Player impacts are now secondary.

As a purist would say, "play the ball" (even when the ball is in the hands of the other). 

Edited August 8, 20231 yr by kev martin

sooo any news on Petty? 

4 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

They haven’t been used for decades and there is negligible current real world experience to test.

i.e., you have no evidence to support your argument.

Melbourne injury list updated on AFL website.

Petty TBC

Clayton Test

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/injury-list

If nothing else at least we know we've got a serious forward line next year of Petty, JVR, Fritta, Kozzie and Chandler.

Compare that to last pre season where a lot of our eggs where in the T Mac and BBB questionable basket.

1 minute ago, D4Demon said:

Melbourne injury list updated on AFL website.

Petty TBC

Clayton Test

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/injury-list

Assume they are just guesstimating like I did a few minutes ago when I updated the injury list on Demonland.

	PLAYER	INJURY	LENGTH
	Clayton Oliver	Hamstring	Test
	Tom McDonald	Ankle	1 Week
	Kye Turner	Groin	1 Week
	Bayley Fritsch	Foot	2-3 Weeks
	Daniel Turner	Hand	2-3 Weeks
	Harrison Petty	Foot	TBC
	Blake Howes	Hand	Season
	Oliver Sestan	Elbow	Season

Perhaps we need to hire some medical staff from Collingwood.

 

Ah... the infamous TBC

Worse than 4-6

Peter Larkin spoke on SEN today. From the vision, he thought the Lisfranc was bad as Petty's foot rotated badly. He said that there are various options depending on the degree of instability and then calmly said he won't play this season.

4 minutes ago, Older demon said:

Peter Larkin spoke on SEN today. From the vision, he thought the Lisfranc was bad as Petty's foot rotated badly. He said that there are various options depending on the degree of instability and then calmly said he won't play this season.

all that just "from the vision"?   sheez some of these guys can sure spin things