On 10/13/2022 at 12:28 PM, At the break of Gawn said:

I think he’s an upgrade on Weid. He reads the play better (can also go down back), he’s a much better set shot and a longer kick. 
 

Tmac

JvR

Schache

That’s my starting tall forwards (Ben Brown is done in my opinion)

 

You are assuming that T mac comes good after third foot operation

I think we are short of talls and should draft a couple if possible

On 10/4/2022 at 9:05 AM, Lord Nev said:

Fair call, BUT if they did pull the trigger on Petty forward and JVR comes in too then all of a sudden we have a couple of absolute mongrels inside 50.

So true LN snd add Tmac if fit to that mix  and it's a scary proposition all defences face when you add the icing and all the mixof the hundreds and thousands that need minding. 

A weakness becomes a strength.!!' Suddenly. 

18 hours ago, Deecisive said:

I think all of our draft trades provide us with an upgrade on the players we lost, we will be a better team next year for it. Schache and hunter could do very well with the new start and team to support them. Looking forward to next season, we are still within the premiership window all of our players, old and new need to give there best to help us to another premiership or two. hopefully our coach will also step up and not be afraid of making changes either to the side, or where players are on the field.

Very truthful Deec.  That window has been slightly further unlocked with this trade period.  Very nice pickings And a couple of green shoots to come!!

We will turn this kid in to a star. All he needs to do is show some intensity, he has all the tools now he has a decent workshop. 30 goals this year is my estimate. 
 

Schache is a low cost casino move.  We gave up nothing really (future 4th rd)  to bring him into the red and the blue.  His potential and talent is obvious.  It’s getting his heart and his head into the right place.  We saw glimpses of him in games v Dees and he can be a real asset as a 2nd key forward or even as a defender.   I think his natural game is forward of the Centre and his kicking for goal is generally excellent.  He kicked 45 goals in the VFL last year.  Whilst he could be the “new Weid/Mitch Brown replacement at Casey”, he could prove to be a very smart acquisition and be part of our success in ‘23. Fingers crossed that Goodie and co can turn him into the player that it was thought he could be.   
 

On 10/13/2022 at 9:49 AM, NeveroddoreveN said:

Yeah, a lot of petty personal insults.  Disgraceful.

Many of the insults are from absolute nuffies, who just don't rate anyone outside the stars of the competition.

He will play senior footy for us next year and will do some good/great things for us.

Similar to those whacking Hunter because he had some issues when breaking up with a partner and went off the rails.  He will be regular 22 and probably in our top 5 for B&F.

Looking forward to seeing what both can offer us!

Stop relentlessly bashing strangers.  It honestly reflects more on you than anything or anyone else....i am talking about a LOT of you :P

I hear you Neverodd………. You can call the opposition whatever but once they pull on the Red and Blue they are ours, they may not be world beaters but they can be valuable to the overall team performance, you have to give people a chance to perform and our club and footy department the chance to iron the wrinkles out and restore confidence in their own ability, who knows what is possible??

Improvement on the weid

18 hours ago, Dante said:

We will turn this kid in to a star. All he needs to do is show some intensity, he has all the tools now he has a decent workshop. 30 goals this year is my estimate. 
 

Easier said than done it seems - had plenty of time and chances but yet to deliver on that front 

Similar to Weid - early draft pick, skills seems ok , passion/heart/aggression seem to be missing 

For both this trade period probably represents their last chance - it’s make or break time - big summer and hopefully comes out firing on all cylinders 

On 10/14/2022 at 8:36 AM, Sydee said:

My concern is that we have spent the same time trying to get Weid to the level required and failed - not saying it can't happen and both might surprise all their doubters - let's hope Josh can 

Like Weid, he looks like he lacks real vigor and aggression or confidence - does have some ability clearly but sometimes that is just simply not enough 

Both Weid and Josh may benefit from a change of scenery - FFS Josh (and Hunter) have been under the idiosyncratic Beveridge and just may not have been motivated to do it for him - hopefully they will all (all three) benefit and thrive (other than when we play the Druggies).  

23 hours ago, Dante said:

We will turn this kid in to a star. All he needs to do is show some intensity, he has all the tools now he has a decent workshop. 30 goals this year is my estimate. 
 

Our only hope is to extract blood from Jack Viney and hope the aggression and intensity of JV takes over Josh, like the Seinfeld episode below…..

You’ve got 3 pints of Kramer in you buddy!

 

 

On 10/12/2022 at 7:07 AM, rpfc said:

Some blokes just don’t have it. You’d be wasting Williams’ time.

I stand by this. 

And also, Williams will have a couple extra kids in the DNA academy to worry about. Better spent there than on a tall forward we are unlikely to play much.

13 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I stand by this. 

And also, Williams will have a couple extra kids in the DNA academy to worry about. Better spent there than on a tall forward we are unlikely to play much.

rpfc - surely it is better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong, than a pessimist who is always right.  Enjoy life!

I just want this kid to compete. If he can give his all that's really all that matters. 

We have often commented on how May and Lever provide in game on field leadership to the backline.

Who might provide similar on field leadership to the forward line? Tell players when and where to lead, create space with blocking, direct passes from upfield and possibly many more. Just stating that a player has to "compete more, show more heart" doesn't solve the problem if he does not know how. All the skills in the world cannot replace a footy brain.

It's time we anointed someone for this role. Maybe a more forward line oriented Maxie? In the GF I noticed a number of times that ANB was giving instructions to team mates. Is he the one? Who else can be considered?

19 minutes ago, tiers said:

We have often commented on how May and Lever provide in game on field leadership to the backline.

Who might provide similar on field leadership to the forward line? Tell players when and where to lead, create space with blocking, direct passes from upfield and possibly many more. Just stating that a player has to "compete more, show more heart" doesn't solve the problem if he does not know how. All the skills in the world cannot replace a footy brain.

It's time we anointed someone for this role. Maybe a more forward line oriented Maxie? In the GF I noticed a number of times that ANB was giving instructions to team mates. Is he the one? Who else can be considered?

Tmac seems the only real option.   Our forward line approach seems like everybody for themselves.  There really does not seem to be a solid system that is repeatable, nor creative.   We need lot of work in this area...and a lot more accountability from players in this area of the ground.   

47 minutes ago, tiers said:

We have often commented on how May and Lever provide in game on field leadership to the backline.

Who might provide similar on field leadership to the forward line? Tell players when and where to lead, create space with blocking, direct passes from upfield and possibly many more. Just stating that a player has to "compete more, show more heart" doesn't solve the problem if he does not know how. All the skills in the world cannot replace a footy brain.

It's time we anointed someone for this role. Maybe a more forward line oriented Maxie? In the GF I noticed a number of times that ANB was giving instructions to team mates. Is he the one? Who else can be considered?

Nibbler has a good football brain and would be well suited to this role. He keeps on reminding the other players to keep their mind on the job and stop the premature celebrations and to get back to their positions for the next forward entry.

I was a little skeptical at first, but I think he can play as long as he can get a bit of guidance and I think it will be a contest between him and BBB, who is really a week-to-week proposition.

We came back too early last year and by the finals a lot of the players were stuffed, and the side was riddled with injuries.

I think the Jackson affair was a distraction as well and I'm expecting a much better year in 2023,

 

4 hours ago, monoccular said:

...surely it is better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong, than a pessimist who is always right. 

Better to be a realist

On 10/14/2022 at 4:40 PM, Orion said:

Does he play round one?

I'd definitely play him in whatever practice matches we have in 2023 and then take it from there.

On 10/16/2022 at 9:25 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

  He kicked 45 goals in the VFL last year. 

 

So Schache is at least a proven goal kicker - neither Weid nor Brown matched this number.

Cross fingers.

5 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Tmac seems the only real option.   Our forward line approach seems like everybody for themselves.  There really does not seem to be a solid system that is repeatable, nor creative.   We need lot of work in this area...and a lot more accountability from players in this area of the ground.   

It's hard to be creative when the go to option is consistently bomb the ball to the left-hand pocket - ok maybe a slight over exaggeration but our system of efficiently moving the ball to our forwards certainly needs some work - we get far too many inside 50's that result in zero score conversion  

On 10/16/2022 at 9:25 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

  He kicked 45 goals in the VFL last year. 

Schache didn't kick 45 last year in the 2s. He only kicked 31 goals. The website I got this information from (and likely you too) had some matches from 2021 listed too and when added up equalled the 45 you had.

In any event see below for a comparison between Schache and Brown & Weid's season in the 2s.

36 minutes ago, tiers said:

So Schache is at least a proven goal kicker - neither Weid nor Brown matched this number.

Cross fingers.

Sam Weideman played 11 games and kicked 15 goals 17 for Casey. He spent a lot of time in the ruck late in the season.

Mitch Brown played 16 games and kicked 38 goals  24 behinds for Casey.

Josh Schache played 12 games and kicked 31 goals 10 behinds for Footscray Reserves

Weid only took 58 marks from his 11 games, Brown took 106 marks from his 16 games and Schache took 74 from his 12 games.

5 hours ago, monoccular said:

rpfc - surely it is better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong, than a pessimist who is always right.  Enjoy life!

Well as an MFC supporter, I am a pessimistic optimist in that I expect the worst so any outcome is a happy one. 

And I will enjoy life but having any expectation of a reformed Schache is a recipe for disappointment.

To enjoy life we must sometimes embrace reality…

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Schache didn't kick 45 last year in the 2s. He only kicked 31 goals. The website I got this information from (and likely you too) had some matches from 2021 listed too and when added up equalled the 45 you had.

In any event see below for a comparison between Schache and Brown & Weid's season in the 2s.

 

@Demonland  thanks. Yes I read off the same data. He kicked 31.10 in his 12 games for Footscray VFL.  He still looks like a forward option and hopefully can reignite his career at the Dees. 

13 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@Demonland  thanks. Yes I read off the same data. He kicked 31.10 in his 12 games for Footscray VFL.  He still looks like a forward option and hopefully can reignite his career at the Dees. 

I absolutely agree.

I did not watch any of Schache's matches at VFL level but going by those stats it appears that at least two of the 12 games were played in defence. In addition in his last 2 matches he kicked 2 bags of 7 goals. One of those games was against 13th placed GWS and the other was against 19th placed Coburg. It should also be noted that the Bulldogs finished 11th and only won 9 of 18 matches. I don't know the win/loss record of Schache's matches but Weid and Brown only played in 1 loss for the season.

 

On 10/12/2022 at 4:49 PM, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

I'd say this is more a RC Cola for LA Ice kinda deal. 

RC Cola has been criminally underated over the years (IMV) 

Edited October 17, 20222 yr by Dee*ceiving