On 14/09/2022 at 05:48, Tracca said:

 

We need a pack marking forward which BBB is not. we need someone ferocious in the air, which BBB is not, we need someone with some mongrel.... which BBB is not.

I still dont rate him,  hes got no strength for a 200cm forward, this however could be because of his knee, im not sure.

Bang on. Herein lies the problem. Either you get personnel to suit your game style or you change the game style to suit your personnel. 
It’s not BBB’s fault we recruited him, although he could do with a big fat porterhouse.

Cheap option no doubt but I don't mind it. Has good hands.

  On 14/09/2022 at 05:48, Tracca said:

whilst I agree with you he is a lead up ff, our gamestyle is not and has not been for the past 2 years.

We need a pack marking forward which BBB is not. we need someone ferocious in the air, which BBB is not, we need someone with some mongrel.... which BBB is not.

I still dont rate him,  hes got no strength for a 200cm forward, this however could be because of his knee, im not sure.

Name some pack marking forwards in the AFL? Better still, name a club that relies on pack marking forwards. The 2 beasts of the comp in Lynch and Hawkins rely on one-on-one strength to beat their opponents.

Our game-style worked in 2021, but better teams combatted it in 2022. It's up to the coaching dept to come up with a game-style that suits our list.

Most of the above salient posts should be in the Ben Brown thread. But our whole forward structure and how we move the ball needs to change. And that change may mean it’s suited to BBB.

(I have my doubts with the Gawn FF future ominous for Brown)

  On 14/09/2022 at 08:32, mo64 said:

Name some pack marking forwards in the AFL? Better still, name a club that relies on pack marking forwards. The 2 beasts of the comp in Lynch and Hawkins rely on one-on-one strength to beat their opponents.

Our game-style worked in 2021, but better teams combatted it in 2022. It's up to the coaching dept to come up with a game-style that suits our list.

Harry McKay

Aaron Naughton

Tom Lynch

Max King

 

I could go on. 

Our game style has changed from last year we were a lot quicker into the forward line.

I don't want to have Ben brown up forward and have to rely on perfect entry for him to take a mark.

No one said about any team needing to rely on having a pack marking forward.

I however want a forward who is 200cm tall to have some sort of ability to crash packs and take a contested mark from time to time, not run under the ball or literally have to two grab marks every opportunity he gets

Corbett is a yes. Small change $$$ in our salary cap but importantly he’s a forward who knows how to kick goals. That’s what we need. We need players who WANT to kick goals, not pass off or handball to others but actually take on kicking goals. 

  On 14/09/2022 at 07:54, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Bang on. Herein lies the problem. Either you get personnel to suit your game style or you change the game style to suit your personnel. 
It’s not BBB’s fault we recruited him, although he could do with a big fat porterhouse.

people forget BBB used to run 15kms a game at north he was a real workhorse in his prime and burnt his oppo going back to goal and then spinning them and coming back up at the leg.

  On 14/09/2022 at 11:01, spirit of norm smith said:

Corbett is a yes. Small change $$$ in our salary cap but importantly he’s a forward who knows how to kick goals. That’s what we need. We need players who WANT to kick goals, not pass off or handball to others but actually take on kicking goals. 

thoughts therefore on sexton? smaller but a lot craftier and generally doesnt miss a snap from within 30-35. 

He’d be a good pickup for Casey to replace Mitch Brown. He wouldn’t do much for our AFL team though.

Looks to be a pure depth acquisition 

Doesn’t hurt

If you look at him on the ground he doesn’t look 190cms.

  On 14/09/2022 at 11:01, spirit of norm smith said:

Corbett is a yes. Small change $$$ in our salary cap but importantly he’s a forward who knows how to kick goals. That’s what we need. We need players who WANT to kick goals, not pass off or handball to others but actually take on kicking goals. 

100% We need someone with killer instinct, someone who dreams of kicking a goal and is always waiting for that next opportunity. Someone who if they miss a set shot can forget about it quickly and move on to the next one which they will dob through. 

Seems like a dying breed with everything else coming first and that part being figured out later these days. 

  On 14/09/2022 at 07:54, Dee Viney Intervention said:

It’s not BBB’s fault we recruited him, although he could do with a big fat porterhouse.

Lot of plant based super athletes here disprove that

https://www.richroll.com/all-episodes/

  On 14/09/2022 at 22:38, Superunknown said:

Lot of plant based super athletes here disprove that

https://www.richroll.com/all-episodes/

Was going to say I don't think you'll catch BBB chowing down a steak anytime soon!

  On 14/09/2022 at 01:15, Demon Jack said:

190cm/90kg forward. Very much in the Fritsch/Gunston mold with a little more body strength. 

Have liked what I've seen from him in a few GC games I've watched over the last couple of years. He single handily tore Collingwood apart at the G a couple of seasons ago.

Has a good pair of hands.

I see him more in the Tim Membrey mould than Fritsch/Gunston. Capable of playing as a key forward due to his build and strong hands.

  On 14/09/2022 at 22:25, Redleg said:

If you look at him on the ground he doesn’t look 190cms.

Footballers really should be measured in height to the top of their shoulders plus arm length. Corbett could have a short neck and small head, he could be a big as a 195cm player in the way that matters! 

  On 15/09/2022 at 00:57, MadAsHell said:

I see him more in the Tim Membrey mould than Fritsch/Gunston. Capable of playing as a key forward due to his build and strong hands.

Poor man’s Membrey is exactly what Corbett is. He’s undersized and predominantly hits up at CHF. The right type of tall if you’re playing a ruck and another tall deep as the Saints usually do.

  On 14/09/2022 at 05:46, Yarra Valley Demon said:

I really rate Josh Corbett, he's the right age, good for his size and a decent kick we could pick up for a good trade.

Let's not forget Jason Dunstall was only 188cms, so height isn't everything.

BBB did what we needed and helped win us our first flag in 57 years, even with injury clouding his performance.  A solid preseason should get him right hopefully.

Jason of course had a midfield and half forwards who could deliver to a lead - if only ……

  On 15/09/2022 at 09:28, monoccular said:

Jason of course had a midfield and half forwards who could deliver to a lead - if only ……

That was also 40 years ago when defenders were only 188cm too.

  On 15/09/2022 at 09:28, monoccular said:

Jason of course had a midfield and half forwards who could deliver to a lead - if only ……

He was such a great leader to the ball carrier as well. The number of times he'd start shoulder to shoulder with the defender and end up 3 or 4 metres in front of them by the time the kick came in, sublime. 

  On 14/09/2022 at 22:25, Redleg said:

If you look at him on the ground he doesn’t look 190cms.

Taller, or shorter?  (I have never seen him).

  On 16/09/2022 at 21:24, monoccular said:

Taller, or shorter?  (I have never seen him).

Shorter.

If Corbett was available and interested, Dees would have a conversation.  He’d be reasonably cheap and with our number of inside50s (and better delivery) he is a good mark and could be a good pickup.  

Is our interest possibly as a reinvented winger? He is the Suns best runner over 2km and from what I found also recorded their third top speed in 2020. His kicking efficiency this season was rated as elite. Can also take a mark and kick a few which could make him quite dangerous. 

  On 27/09/2022 at 21:27, 56 Years of Hell said:

Is our interest possibly as a reinvented winger? He is the Suns best runner over 2km and from what I found also recorded their third top speed in 2020. His kicking efficiency this season was rated as elite. Can also take a mark and kick a few which could make him quite dangerous. 

Sounds like Tomlinson but with marking and kicking ability!

  On 14/09/2022 at 10:06, Tracca said:

Harry McKay

Aaron Naughton

Tom Lynch

Max King

 

I could go on. 

Our game style has changed from last year we were a lot quicker into the forward line.

I don't want to have Ben brown up forward and have to rely on perfect entry for him to take a mark.

No one said about any team needing to rely on having a pack marking forward.

I however want a forward who is 200cm tall to have some sort of ability to crash packs and take a contested mark from time to time, not run under the ball or literally have to two grab marks every opportunity he gets

If you go back across the VFL year and put together a highlights package on Van Rooyen not knowing his background, I think many on here would be drooling over him. And he's already on our list.

His output was comparable to Hogan in his year and with another pre-season in the gym he will hit the ground in round 1 at approx 105kg and an appetite for senior footy.  He should play 15 plus games next year with at least 5 of those where he will be a liability, but we have to play him next year to develop him properly. All discussions about our forward line should I think take him into account.