POSTMATCH: Rd 22 vs Carlton

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I mean one example was Carlton were missing half of their midfield brigade and yet we still lose the general and centre clearance.  We should have smashed

Why wasn't Trac in the middle. Where was he most of the time?

[dazzledavey36 54,121]

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

Does anyone know the crowd size last night?

55k I'm pretty sure

[mo64 5,851]

2 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Thought we looked totally out of sorts in and around the contests

We won the hitouts well, no surprise. We lost clearances, and even many of our clearances were scrappy, while Carlton seemed much cleaner

Something has changed. One obvious thing is Brayshaw in there... ? Has that messed up the rhythm and ball movement?

Doesn't this go to show that getting Grundy doesn't make us better. It's not difficult for opposition coaches to plan for their side losing the hitouts. We won a game with a ruck tandem of Weid and Mitch Brown.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

Carlton fans sooking about umpiring is interesting. On pure numbers maybe, but they got 3 freebies in front of goal. 
They lost the game because they [censored] their pants with a minute to go. 

[dazzledavey36 54,121]

2 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Why wasn't Trac in the middle. Where was he most of the time?

I presume he was spending time up forward?

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,772]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I presume he was spending time up forward?

Yep

Part of Brayshaw's contract negotiation I presume 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, A F said:

I think May won a single contest for the night. We look vulnerable in the air and on the ground defensively. 

I wonder if the way we're asking the likes of Max and BB to play is finally taking its toll on their bodies. To sit under balls in big contests 5-10 times a quarter. 

Our mids gambled too often and were done out the back. 

Our forwards and mids didn't put enough pressure on to rush Carlton and bring interceptors into play. The first half was better, but then we weren't clean when we went forward.

We got out of jail which is wonderful, but we look cooked to me.

Funny people can have such different perspectives. 

May had 7 marks and 23 disposals.

When his opponent did mark the pass was often perfect.

Low and bullet like....too hard to get a punch in.

( Although milkshake probably would have)😃

 

[Kent 2,905]

51 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just on May, and a bit off topic, but how good is McKay? His overhead work is elite and work rate off the ball as well as his defensive pressure for such a big guy.

What we'd kill for a key forward like Harry McKay..

Hate to remind you DD but didnt we choose  not to select him??

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

should have the best contested midfield

We do.....Clayton Oliver.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

53 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

 

Or a wrestle.

Na. Great to see.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, A F said:

I think May won a single contest for the night. We look vulnerable in the air and on the ground defensively. 

I wonder if the way we're asking the likes of Max and BB to play is finally taking its toll on their bodies. To sit under balls in big contests 5-10 times a quarter. 

Our mids gambled too often and were done out the back. 

Our forwards and mids didn't put enough pressure on to rush Carlton and bring interceptors into play. The first half was better, but then we weren't clean when we went forward.

We got out of jail which is wonderful, but we look cooked to me.

Get out of jail.

It was a game of many lead changes.

Sure Carlton got out to just under a 2 goal lead with a few minutes left.

But like tge rest of the game we hit back.

This time like them twice in a around 90 seconds.

So we won on our own merit and there was no lucky escape.

In fact we had more scoring shots and inside 50s.

The clearances we lost.

Sure you can say we got out of jail or played like last year's team and never gave up for a second. 

I choose the latter.

Also full credit to Carlton ....they are a tough and strong side who tackled hard all night and applied great pressure on our defence and always got numbers into our fwd line quickly. 

[He de mon 925]

30 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

Try Maxie’s goal after the siren to put us top of the list at Geelong last year in the final round. That was pretty wild - and arguably most influential. Still l’ll take the great win. Go Dees - we are re-emerging at the right time…..

Yeah true, but I was talking about the crowd, and there was no crowd at that game.

[Nicko 1,378]

Geez Hunts last two minutes were impressive last night! 
his disposal seems to have really sharpened up…good on him. 

[Doug Reemer 1,195]

Is #18 on our lists name Jake Melksham or Wayne Carey?

Happily eating my words about Jake the Snake. He was BOG by a country mile for mine tonight.

[The heart beats true 18,089]

7 hours ago, Garbo said:

Difference is that was for top place, blues probably won’t even make finals, if we play like that vs cats, swans or pies it’s game over 

You inferred we had no luck last year, which is untrue. I’m not saying we are in top form right now, but I think it’s important to remember that in 2021 we had a lot of things go right (which all Premiers need).

The nostalgia for 2021 focuses heavily on the football we played in the last half of the Grand Final. The draw to Hawthorn and the loss to Adelaide doesn’t come up much.

[dee-tox 4,835]

22 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Funny people can have such different perspectives. 

May had 7 marks and 23 disposals.

When his opponent did mark the pass was often perfect.

Low and bullet like....too hard to get a punch in.

( Although milkshake probably would have)😃

 

May was pretty darn good!

McKay got a goal from a good tackle on Brayshaw. 

Got one over the back when the zone collapsed for some reason.

Last one from a relay free? Can't remember.

Given the intercept marks, massive spoils and great ball use May had a good game. 

Fyi, Matthew Lloyd had him second best on...

[Bates Mate 4,462]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Great call about Carlton missing their midfield.

We should have the best contested midfield and ruck combination and yet we often get beaten in that area. 

I thought Cripps and settefield with their height in the middle causes us issues at times. Cripps is 195 settefield 192. They where able to get first hand or an intercept touch on the ball often. I was thinking maybe we should have tried dogga in there with Gawn at once stage. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,090]

The first half was boring defensive footy with Carlton pushing numbers behind the ball and us over correcting on recent shoot outs we have been involved in. We tried to play with a touch more dare in the third but did not take advantage of it with some poor turn overs. We should not underplay how hard that was in the clinches and the pressure from Carlton that was finals level. We just need a touch more quality drive from half back and improved connection and pressure inside 50 to be at our 2022 best in September. Unsure whether Goody will make the changes to make it happen but then  Melksham, Brayshaw in the middle and Hunt were in our best 6 last night.   

I feel some of us have watched our bang bang bang 15 minutes of premiership perfection and have forgotten that we did not play like that all of 2021. We’re in with a shake particularly if we can secure top 2 next week.  

Edited August 13, 2022 by Lil_red_fire_engine

[The heart beats true 18,089]

2 minutes ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

I feel some of us have watched our bang bang bang 15 minutes of premiership perfection and have forgotten that we did not play like that all of 2021. 

This can’t be understated enough. You have to find a lot of different ways to win, and it only gets harder once you’ve climbed the mountain -because everyone follows the same path up again.

[Brownie 5,968]

8 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I just got home and so did my 17yo son from his first ever concert (Sigur Rós… not too shabby for your first concert) and right now we’re both full of adrenaline and talking over the top of each, LOUDLY. There’s enough energy in this room to power an entire suburb for a week! 🤣

Nice one. Watched them in Brisbane during the week. They are an incredible band.

[Demon17 5,172]

11 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

There needs to be a minimum for four changes for next week.

A totally complacent team playing a style that has been worked out with a forward line that couldn’t kick straight if their lives depended on it.

 

Harsh but fair. 

[Phil C 728]

Text message exchange with a Carlton mate last night after they went up by 8 points. 😎

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

50 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Silly comment. Based on our form over the past 11 weeks, we've won 5 and lost 6. Is that the form line you want from a team contending for a flag?

Every week we hear Goody say that we need to get better with our connection up front. The only thing we've changed, whether it be game style of personnel, is bringing Melksham in and playing him as a defensive full forward. That's helped, but will still have massive issues with our forward synergy. 

Silly comment. Over the last 8 weeks we are 5 wins 3 losses with two of those losses coming in the dying minutes.

Over the last 21 weeks we are 15 wins 6 losses.

We are 2nd on the ladder (probably 3rd later today but who knows).

We live to fight another day that's all that counts. Is it better to lose playing well like last week or win playing poorly like last night?

[640MD 3,347]

9 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

Brown got more involved in the last quarter and contributed. Fritsch has a bad night but laid almost a team high  8 tackles which is great work when not getting the ball.

At one point in the last Fritta ran and tackled a blues player, the sound when he hit the body was unreal,  fast and hard and legal into his shoulder and arm,  Absolutely no backing off    Great to see      and hear

[Demon17 5,172]

17 minutes ago, Nicko said:

Geez Hunts last two minutes were impressive last night! 
his disposal seems to have really sharpened up…good on him. 

Courageuos was my thought in Hunt.  In that he took on the game with dare at absolutely critical stages.