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11 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

All eyes on JVR at Casey this arvo.

5 Goals and starred... almost BOG 

4 hours ago, The Chief said:

So you think we will never play a debutante against the Pies ever? Hope we’re not as mentally soft as that. 

Yeah, because I definitely said that. 

A quick re-read is all it takes to succeed kids!

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1 hour ago, David-Demon said:

Absolutely No-way.  Neal-Bullen is a damm good player, tough as nails and needs to STAY.

ANB is so important to his team with his many pressure acts. Dropping him would border on lunacy. He always does what is required and is a wonderful leader in our forward zones. Couldn't agree more with David-Demon on this one.

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    1 hour ago, monoccular said:

    As mentioned in another thread, Watts debuted in a pressure game in an underperforming team in a dysfunctional club as was seen as a saviour.  Only few mature on field leaders at the time.  JVR seems to thrive on contests and challenges. 

    The so-called senior players left Watts to be roughed up by the Pies.  I presume to show him that they were fabulous and even a number one pick like him was rubbish in comparison.  At long last another player came in possibly Junior.  

    I expect that if Watts had gone to a well-run club such as Hawthorn or Melbourne c. 2021, he would have had a successful career.

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    Brown and JVR come in for Weid and Jackson. If JVR performs I’d leave it that way, Jackson is just a distraction at this point.

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    I'm up for JvR making his debut, it's not the same situation as Watts. We threw him to the wolves with him covered in sauce to be eaten up by the Pies, they try the same **** with JvR they will have Gawn, Viney, Petracca, Brayshaw, May, Pickett, and more to deal with and you can guarantee whatever they dish up with be met tenfold at the next contest. I dare them to try it.

    But I also agree with an earlier poster that we don't make him the only key forward, at least one of Brown or Wied must play beside him so he is at least getting the second defender. 

    If Jackson isn't 100% don't risk him, play Weid as a back up ruckman and make sure Jackson is cherry ripe for the finals.

    A lot of the changes I suspect will depend on how certain injuries are tracking.

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    2 hours ago, Pates said:

    I'm up for JvR making his debut, it's not the same situation as Watts. We threw him to the wolves with him covered in sauce to be eaten up by the Pies, they try the same **** with JvR they will have Gawn, Viney, Petracca, Brayshaw, May, Pickett, and more to deal with and you can guarantee whatever they dish up with be met tenfold at the next contest. I dare them to try it.

    But I also agree with an earlier poster that we don't make him the only key forward, at least one of Brown or Wied must play beside him so he is at least getting the second defender. 

    If Jackson isn't 100% don't risk him, play Weid as a back up ruckman and make sure Jackson is cherry ripe for the finals.

    A lot of the changes I suspect will depend on how certain injuries are tracking.

    Weideman is a star in the VFL which makes JVR's form at that level irrelevant.

    Likewise Raggedy Anne Browne for that matter 

    On 7/30/2022 at 12:24 AM, rpfc said:

    I can’t imagine Brown won’t come in. 

    I have to agree on ANB… he is a leader so the crunch through there has to be very rough if he is pushed out.

    Handy to have Brayshaw to just run through the middle. 

    Fritsch said on a post game radio interview that Clayton just slotted into Freo’s drop zones and made a nuisance of himself with Aish close checking him. That tells me that our team ethos is still burning strong.

    Really sets up a big 3 weeks - win two and we will have a home QF most likely.

    WHAT IS THIS 2 WINS CRAP? WE ARE BACK BABY!!!


    Keays on Saad last night was an interesting role. Shut down the Blue’s easy transition out of HB, and when they struggled Keays himself was able to score a few goals.

    Wouldn’t mind seeing something similar with Harmes forward against N. Daicos. I don’t know if Spargo is up for it and Kozzi should be left free.

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    I'm quite confident JVR will be our number 1 or 2 tall forward in 2023, but also believe he is a preseason away from being ready to regularly do the 2 things the MFC demand from our tall forwards at AFL level.  The MFC require them to have the aerobic fitness to get up to the wings and even half back to contest before rushing forward post turnover, and that they have the talent/technique/strength/competiveness to not be outmarked.  I don't think JVR yet has the fitness required to do the first, and although he has talent and competiveness in spades, he still doen't have the strength or technique for the second.  At least twice yesterday at VFL level, he gave away free kicks in marking contests and he was also outmarked a few times.

    I think for those reasons, although he isn't pleasing anyone outside the four walls of the club, Weids is ahead of him and also why I think Joel Smith played forward for Casey yesterday.  Ideally we have a fit and in form BBB and TMac for the finals, but I think Weids and J Smith are the coaches preference ahead of JVR while those two are absent.

    JVR will be a star for us, but I think we're going to have to be patient to see it in the seniors.

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    Interesting that you note that Joel Smith played as a forward rather than the usual back. Were you at the game @Vipercrunch? Overall how was Joel's impact?

    3 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

    Interesting that you note that Joel Smith played as a forward rather than the usual back. Were you at the game @Vipercrunch? Overall how was Joel's impact?

    I only watched the stream on the AFL site.  As far as I could tell he played forward all day.  A little rusty early but got involved well as it went on.  Flew for a few marks but I don't think he dragged any down.  He would be behind Tomlinson and Turner for a gig in the seniors down back, so playing him forward to see how he goes makes sense.  No VFL this week and I think needs another game there before being considered, but maybe he finds enough form at in the scratch matches.  Just an option right now.

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    13 hours ago, layzie said:

    Why bring in JVR in this week when I can just re-watch QB 2009 again to see what happens?

    We’re the 2021 premiership team, with a lot of bloody tough nuts

    2009 we were a poor VFL team in comparison languishing on the bottom of the ladder without hope

    I give JVR a crack but as a previous poster said as long as it’s a 2nd key position

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    4 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    BBB if fit.  Weid out. 
     

    But who makes way for Harmes?? 
     

    Did Jackson pass or fail the concussion test?? 

    Is harmes an automatic selection? I think brayshaw returning to the midfield keeps him out or in the sub role.

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    8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    BBB if fit.  Weid out. 
     

    But who makes way for Harmes?? 
     

    Did Jackson pass or fail the concussion test?? 

    Jackson passed the concussion test

    Harmes goes to sub unless they drop Sparrow or ANB which I doubt

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    4 minutes ago, Billy said:

    We’re the 2021 premiership team, with a lot of bloody tough nuts

    2009 we were a poor VFL team in comparison languishing on the bottom of the ladder without hope

    I give JVR a crack but as a previous poster said as long as it’s a 2nd key position

    You're right there is a difference, this is the biggest Melb v Collingwood game in at least 15 years and will make that 09 one look like Kindergarten for JVR compared to JW.

    They are one of the best defences going round and people seemto think the jump from VFL to this will be a walk in the park. 

    I would consider giving him a crack as a 2nd tall with one issue though, who plays the 1st tall? Yes Brown could come back in but changing a forward line that succeeded the week before by bringing in two talls that weren't in it is a pretty bold move.

    Don't hate it but Carlton is the preferred game to unleash JVR for me.

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    Whoever plays out of ANB, Sparrow or Harmesy, they  (as well as Kozzy and Spargo) BETTER DEFEND AND CONTROL  Daicos, Crisp and Maynard. They destroyed us last time with their run and carry out of defence!!! 

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    Harmes is more limited in that he can’t play a wifey different role like Gus can.

    At this point, it doesn’t matter. Gus should stay in the midfield and Harmes can compete with Sparrow for the last rotation spot or maybe ANB’s role. 

    It’s tough but that is footy.

    Edit - he can do what Melksham does defensively but Melksham has better forward craft. Big decisions…

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    1 hour ago, TheWiz said:

    Keays on Saad last night was an interesting role. Shut down the Blue’s easy transition out of HB, and when they struggled Keays himself was able to score a few goals.

    Wouldn’t mind seeing something similar with Harmes forward against N. Daicos. I don’t know if Spargo is up for it and Kozzi should be left free.

    I think Melksham should take Saad when we play Carlton and Moore next week. 
    ANB could play on Daicos. He has the endurance to go with him. 

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    The only one I see making way for Harmes is Melksham and that would be unlucky. I think Harmes walks straight back in.

    5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    I think Melksham should take Saad when we play Carlton and Moore next week. 
    ANB could play on Daicos. He has the endurance to go with him. 

    Don’t want to be too negative, Jaded. ANB has things to do to release Petracca. I would put Melksham on Daicos and as for Moore, can we just not kick it down his throat?

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