CASEY: Rd 18 vs Footscray

[demon3165 2,724]

36 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

To anyone who has watched JVR closely, is he ready to be promoted to the seniors or does he still need to further develop before marking the senior’s?

Haven't seen him play at all hence the question. 

Needs a bigger body but christ he reminds me of David Schwarz in his movement.

[Diamond_Jim 12,592]

Interesting ruck conundrum today.

Bell (a recent Casey addition) against two AFL seasoned rucks including one in Stefan Martin who "was" highly rated.

Rucks had basically no impact.

No wonder players like LJ are sought after 

[DemonOX 8,791]

1 hour ago, DemonOX said:

To anyone who has watched JVR closely, is he ready to be promoted to the seniors or does he still need to further develop before marking the senior’s?

Haven't seen him play at all hence the question. 

A big THANKS to all posters who replied, it’s greatly appreciated. 

Seems like we have a very good player so hopefully we see him in the seniors next yr. 

Thanks again and GO DEES. 

[jayceebee31 761]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting ruck conundrum today.

Bell (a recent Casey addition) against two AFL seasoned rucks including one in Stefan Martin who "was" highly rated.

Rucks had basically no impact.

No wonder players like LJ are sought after 

No impact do ruckman have….well English for the bulldogs absolutely belted Gawn and Jackson….tonight….English had the most impact on the game tonight in my opinion.

[waynewussell 5,765]

Max v English 2 X Hit outs, 150 more metres gained, 5 to 2 clearances, English had 2 more marks.... Not to say English didn't play well, just need some perspective

[dazzledavey36 54,959]

I saw Blake Howes had 19 disposals for his first game in months.

Can someone give a rundown of his game. I would like to think that's pretty impressive numbers for a young kid who's missed a lot of footy.

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I saw Blake Howes had 19 disposals for his first game in months.

Can someone give a rundown of his game. I would like to think that's pretty impressive numbers for a young kid who's missed a lot of footy.

I was very surprised when I read his numbers.  I watched the game (TV) and didn’t think he did that much. Thought he had an okay game, especially given his long lay off, but nothing like what is suggested by those stats.

[Older demon 2,741]

Given the lack of height on the list should MFC draft Bell and Ellison for next season. Ellison impresses me as a key position player and Bell could develop especially if LJ goes. 

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

My thoughts (from TV) on those who seemed to be around the mark for senior selection:

Bowey an excellent game where his class shone through.  On that performance, would be pushing hard for a senior return. 
Chandler was good.  I haven’t been a fan, but 4 goals to back up his recent returns, must put him very close to earning another opportunity.
JVR was solid in conditions that didn’t suit. His competitiveness, willingness to put his body on the line, and bring others into the play, are all attributes we currently don’t have forward of centre in the ‘ones’. Low possessions, but didn’t do his chances any harm.                              
Lawrie just okay in conditions that I thought should have suited him.  Was hoping for more based on recent form.               
Dunstan is the obvious replacement if we need a big bodied mid in the ‘ones’, but ball use will always be his problem.       
Hunt was solid and showed good run / carry on a few occasions.  Probably enjoyed the freedom of not having a ‘lock down’ role.      
Turner did his job capably after a month on the sidelines.  A very slim possibility to travel to Perth if Lever doesn’t get up, but probably needs another run.

[Cranky Franky 2,062]

3 hours ago, Older demon said:

Given the lack of height on the list should MFC draft Bell and Ellison for next season. Ellison impresses me as a key position player and Bell could develop especially if LJ goes. 

You cannot be serious ?  Ellison started really well but has struggled the last month and Bell is barely at VFL reserves standard.

He can't kick, mark or handball so yes lets draft him.

[Cranky Franky 2,062]

19 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting ruck conundrum today.

Bell (a recent Casey addition) against two AFL seasoned rucks including one in Stefan Martin who "was" highly rated.

Rucks had basically no impact.

No wonder players like LJ are sought after 

Did you actually watch the game ?   Martin dominated & kept the dogs in the game.

[Demonland 72,225]

DOG-TIED by KC from Casey

The Casey Demons were extended early against rivals Footscray VFL in their matchup played in wet and greasy conditions at VU Whitten Oval on Saturday but, after establishing their authority in the second quarter, they were able to tie up their opponents at the end to maintain their undefeated run which now stands at 15. 

The game began under grey threatening skies and the wet conditions turned the game into a tight slog with scoring kept down to a minimum. The Demons were held goalless against the breeze in the opening term but thanks to a Kade Chandler masterclass in attack with three clever second quarter goals out of a total of five, they held sway by half time. 

There were a few threatening moments  in the third quarter but the Demons’ resilience was outstanding. They withstood the challenge and steadied by the final break and then held the home side goalless and held on to the lead for the remainder of the game to win by a comfortable 23 point margin. 

The Demons’ predominance stemmed mainly from their defence which held firm from the very beginning despite the loss of Adam Tomlinson who was called upon to replace the injured Jake Lever in the Melbourne team.

Oskar Baker and Jayden Hunt dominated with the pace and strong ball handling. Jake Bowey was also in fine form and his disposal in the wet was excellent. Corey Ellison and Daniel Turner added a solid edge to the team. In the middle, Luke Dunstan and Matt Buntine were strong and Jimmy Munro’s tackling in the conditions often unsettled the Bulldogs and forced them into error.

The club’s much vaunted younger forward brigade had a more subdued outing which was understandable in the circumstances. One wonders whether last week’s bye might have affected some of the younger brigade, particularly as it appears their chances of gaining senior selection seem to dwindle with each passing week. A fortnight ago against the Cats Jacob Van Rooyen and Bailey Laurie were stars in the wet at GMHBA Stadium but the club seems determined to play established players at AFL level. 

Van Rooyen kicked only one goal at Footscray but he managed to be in the play often and also helped Jack Bell out in the ruck duels. Laurie also kicked a solitary goal but had his moments as did Taj Woewodin. Blake Howes would also be satisfied with his first up effort of 20 touches after such a long lay off with injury.

With three games left before the finals, Casey is three games clear of second placed Southport. The team returns home for next week’s match up against the bottom-of-the-ladder Northern Bullants before their last bye of the season.

CASEY DEMONS 0.3.3 5.7.37 7.9.51 9.12.66

FOOTSCRAY VFL 1.2.8 3.6.24 6.6.42 6.7.43

Goals 

Casey Demons Chandler 4 Grey Laurie Moniz-Wakefield Valentine Van Rooyen

Footscray VFL Darcy Jones Martin O’Sullivan Raak Vandermeer 

Best 

Casey Demons Baker Chandler Bowey Hunt Munro Ellison Van Rooyen

Footscray VFL Hunter Martin McLean Garner O’Sullivan Butler

Statistics 

Oskar Baker 1 behind 29 kicks 4 handballs 33 disposals 8 marks 121 dream team points
Riley Baldi 5 kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 34 dream team points
Jack Bell 4 kicks 7 handballs 11 disposals 1 mark tackle 16 hit outs 51 dream team points
Jake Bowey 19 kicks 1 handballs 20 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 89 dream team points
Mitch Brown 1 behind 12 kicks 3 handballs 15 disposals 7 marks 1 tackle 66 dream team points
Matt Buntine 15 kicks 5 handballs 20 disposals 10 marks 2 tackles 1 hit out 92 dream team points
Kade Chandler 4 goals 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 72 dream team points
Luke Dunstan 1 behind 12 kicks 7 handballs 19 disposals 3 marks 9 tackles 92 dream team points
Corey Ellison 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 2 tackles 38 dream team points
George Grey 1 goal 4 kicks 2 handballs 6 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 29 dream team points
Blake Howes 11 kicks 9 handballs 20 disposals 6 marks 1 tackles 79 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 7 kicks 7 handballs 14 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 42 dream team points
Bailey Laurie 1 goal 5 kicks 6 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 5 tackles 53 dream team points
Judd McVee 7 kicks 4 handballs 11 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 47 dream team points
Bryce Milford 3 kicks 4 handballs 7 disposals 2 marks 23 dream team points
Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 goal 4 kicks 3 handballs 7 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 33 dream team points
James Munro 2 behinds 6 kicks 8 handballs 14 disposals 1 mark 11 tackles 85 dream team points
Aidan Quigley 5 kicks 2 handballs 7 disposals 1 marks 7 tackles 49 dream team points
Fraser Rosman 1 kick 1 handballs 2 disposals 1 mark 8 dream team points [injured]
Daniel Turner 7 kicks 7 disposals 1 mark 5 tackles 46 dream team points
Ryan Valentine 1 goal 7 kicks 6 handballs 13 disposals 3 marks 1 tackles 2 hit outs 53 dream team points
Jacob Van Rooyen 1 goal 1 behinds 5 kicks 7 handballs 12 disposals 4 marks 2 tackles 2 hit outs 58 dream team points
Taj Woewodin 7 kicks 6 handballs 13 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 53 dream team points

[COOLX 209]

Notice that Baker ended up with 121 deam points ( sounds like B.S ) , so why do some Demonlanders want him delisted ?

Perhaps he needs to play in a different position to enhance his chance for senior selection .

[Bystander 903]

I wouldn't be too critical of bell.

Yes, he can be clumsy but not uncommon with his height. I think continual improvement is happening and I don't think you can fault his application.

He is not AFL standard yet, but may be in future imo.

[DeeZone 9,867]

35 minutes ago, Bystander said:

I wouldn't be too critical of bell.

Yes, he can be clumsy but not uncommon with his height. I think continual improvement is happening and I don't think you can fault his application.

He is not AFL standard yet, but may be in future imo.

Bystander can you provide some details for Bell, age, height, weight and what is his background has he potential to develop on our list, etc,?

[mo64 5,875]

12 hours ago, COOLX said:

Notice that Baker ended up with 121 deam points ( sounds like B.S ) , so why do some Demonlanders want him delisted ?

Perhaps he needs to play in a different position to enhance his chance for senior selection .

Baker accumulates possessions in positions on the ground that don't hurt the opposition. At AFL level he'd be ignored by his teammates. He also took some kick-ins after a point, where he moved outside of the goal square and is credited with a possession. His decision making with the ball is poor. 

This year he's been moved from the wing to half back. We have heaps of depth in that position, and Baker sits on the bottom of the depth chart. 

By all means keep him at Casey once he's been delisted. His big body helps the youngsters.

[Altona-demon 321]

On 7/23/2022 at 6:45 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting ruck conundrum today.

Bell (a recent Casey addition) against two AFL seasoned rucks including one in Stefan Martin who "was" highly rated.

Rucks had basically no impact.

No wonder players like LJ are sought after 

Diasgree 100% Martin was outstanding and the main reason that the Dogs were in the game for so long was their ruck dominance.  The Adelaide game the Dees played also was an example of no ruck creating a huge headache for us - even though we sharked well. 

[Cranky Franky 2,062]

10 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Baker accumulates possessions in positions on the ground that don't hurt the opposition. At AFL level he'd be ignored by his teammates. He also took some kick-ins after a point, where he moved outside of the goal square and is credited with a possession. His decision making with the ball is poor. 

This year he's been moved from the wing to half back. We have heaps of depth in that position, and Baker sits on the bottom of the depth chart. 

By all means keep him at Casey once he's been delisted. His big body helps the youngsters.

Thats nonsense.  For some reason the BT have put a line through Baker & have ignored him despite excellent form at Casey & being a player with genuine speed.

He was given one game last year & despite 15 touches was then dropped.

Baker, Dunstan & Chandler should have all been given more opportunities this year when Spargo, Jordon& ANB have played poorly.

I predict he will go to another club & play senior football.

 

 

 

[Altona-demon 321]

23 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

I was very surprised when I read his numbers.  I watched the game (TV) and didn’t think he did that much. Thought he had an okay game, especially given his long lay off, but nothing like what is suggested by those stats.

Like a lot of these young Vic players coming out of TAC - he gets a lot of it, but doesn't do much with it/hurt you.  Of the youngsters McVee looked more accomplished with less of it.  

 

13 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Baker accumulates possessions in positions on the ground that don't hurt the opposition. At AFL level he'd be ignored by his teammates. He also took some kick-ins after a point, where he moved outside of the goal square and is credited with a possession. His decision making with the ball is poor. 

This year he's been moved from the wing to half back. We have heaps of depth in that position, and Baker sits on the bottom of the depth chart. 

By all means keep him at Casey once he's been delisted. His big body helps the youngsters.

Baker was great in providing an outlet from defenders in d50 "the Langdon/Jordon" role. He played this very well and was running all day hunting ball.  He is criminally underrated here on DL. 

[Altona-demon 321]

On 7/23/2022 at 6:25 PM, demon3165 said:

Needs a bigger body but christ he reminds me of David Schwarz in his movement.

He's very much ready - i've been thinking about pulling together a highlights package for people here on DL so they can see what is getting a lot of us regular Casey watchers very excited about him.  He's a brief summary of some of things that he did on the weekend which were really exciting:

 

1. Strong physical tackling, repeat efforts - was unlucky not to have HTB paid on one occasion, narrowly missed another.  He's a great tackler. 

2. Ground ball gets, he's better below his feet than Weideman

3. He's competitive, angry and hungry - he slapped the ground really hard when he missed what would have been a 1% tackle.

4. He's physically strong under the ball - he took a match sealing mark where he basically threw the player off and stood his ground. 

5. He's splitting contests to advantage, he crashed a pack and hit the ball to advantahge of chandler to a goal.  He rarely is getting outmarked. 

6. His engine, he's rucking and roving all around the ground showing a good engine. 

 

He's ready for debut - but because of our team - he won't play AFL this year. 

 

[binman 43,060]

19 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

He can't kick, mark or handball so yes lets draft him.

Sorry, I'm confused.

Why do you think we should draft him?

[binman 43,060]

11 minutes ago, Altona-demon said:

Diasgree 100% Martin was outstanding and the main reason that the Dogs were in the game for so long was their ruck dominance.  

I thought he was just shaded by Chandler as BOG.

Killed us in the ruck and was super around the grounds in conditions that didn't suit.

Nice mark and goal too.

Looked in good nick.

[mo64 5,875]

7 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Thats nonsense.  For some reason the BT have put a line through Baker & have ignored him despite excellent form at Casey & being a player with genuine speed.

He was given one game last year & despite 15 touches was then dropped.

Baker, Dunstan & Chandler should have all been given more opportunities this year when Spargo, Jordon& ANB have played poorly.

I predict he will go to another club & play senior football.

 

 

 

There is no way Baker gets picked up by another club. And to say that Jordon has played poorly is garbage. Spargo and ANB are forwards that apply pressure. Baker doesn't provide that at VFL level.

The reason Baker got shuffled to the back line is because our Football Dept have high hopes on Blakes Howes as a wingman.

Baker is certain to be delisted.

[mo64 5,875]

12 minutes ago, Altona-demon said:

Like a lot of these young Vic players coming out of TAC - he gets a lot of it, but doesn't do much with it/hurt you.  Of the youngsters McVee looked more accomplished with less of it.  

 

Baker was great in providing an outlet from defenders in d50 "the Langdon/Jordon" role. He played this very well and was running all day hunting ball.  He is criminally underrated here on DL. 

Baker played well against the Dogs, and was clearly in the best. But his stat line was inflated by junk time disposals in the last qtr.

My assessment of Baker is based on both this season and last. I thought he was a prospect when he first arrived. But now I can understand why he's not in contention for senior selection. Yes he provides an outlet, but his decision making is poor.

[Demonstone 22,588]

Baker is a decent VFL footballer, but that's his level.