On 19/09/2022 at 22:10, picket fence said:

Paul Salmon says Hi, played mainly ruck but turned into a pretty good Key Forward late in his career!

Salmon was a great kick for goal and his technique was significantly better than Max's - not saying he was a better player but no comparison when it comes to goal kicking - It is an area that Max really needs to work on if the plan is to have him spend more time in the F50 

  On 19/09/2022 at 12:54, Hunt29 said:

I’m not overly keen on Grundy. We have the best ruck in the league. So we’re relying on them to kick a fair amount of goals between them for this to work. 30 minimum surely. Our forward line was dysfunctional this year so how does that improve by brining in another ruckman? 
If he comes in for a second rounder and with us only paying 600k it makes it easier to take. But we really don’t need him. I’m saying all this I’m 99% sure we’ll get him. 

I think the bigger worry is his recent injury history. Had a knee and almost immediately a serious ankle injury this season.

Fronting up next year he'll be 29. Many players are done at 30, especially collision players like ruckmen and key forwards.

With that said, he is a smart guy and will have looked after himself.

A five year salary dump may not be in our interests. 

  On 19/09/2022 at 22:10, picket fence said:

Paul Salmon says Hi, played mainly ruck but turned into a pretty good Key Forward late in his career!

Actually Paul Salmon played FF for Essendon and left to go to Hawthorn so he could play in the Ruck

I just don’t think Gawn is turning into Paul Salmon. However he is a 6 x AA ruck. Maybe he should just be our number one ruck. 

  On 20/09/2022 at 01:56, Hunt29 said:

I just don’t think Gawn is turning into Paul Salmon. However he is a 6 x AA ruck. Maybe he should just be our number one ruck. 

Gawn, like all our key forwards will be able to better isolate opponents once we get a 3rd competitive tall in the forward line. Tmac if he returns, JVR if he is ready,  or Petty if he is freed to.move forward

 

  On 20/09/2022 at 02:47, Demons1858 said:

Gawn, like all our key forwards will be able to better isolate opponents once we get a 3rd competitive tall in the forward line.

And if the ball is kicked in quicker. 

  On 20/09/2022 at 04:13, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Filth Supporters wanting a first round pick!!!

We were not the ones to draw up a Ludicrous Contract, so they should take what we give them. 
it was interesting listening to Goody on 360 last night, he was adamant that they have a plan for Grundy 

Me thinks the MFC will look quite a bit different next year

  On 20/09/2022 at 04:40, Sir Why You Little said:

Filth Supporters wanting a first round pick

That would be fair……………….if we were to get a first rounder for Bedford

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Demon Disciple

  On 20/09/2022 at 04:45, Demon Disciple said:

That would fair……………….if we were to get a first rounder for Bedford

It’s a Salary Dump. They should be thankful for any deal at all. He hasn’t played since April 

This is a mistake. Paying overs to get in an old injured hack to re-inforce a game plan that is old and been trashed. Kick it down the line. We shouldn't be doubling down on the "Max is the best ruck in the league" game plan. If we want to reduce the reliance on Max to be our game winner, change the game plan. 

  On 20/09/2022 at 04:49, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s a Salary Dump. They should be thankful for any deal at all. He hasn’t played since April 

Ideally, I’d just like us to say no, then the filth will have to deal with their own problems.

  On 20/09/2022 at 04:56, Demon Disciple said:

Ideally, I’d just like us to say no, then the filth will have to deal with their own problems.

I would agree with you, but i get the impression Goodwin has a plan, so i am also curious to see it

i am hoping The Filth pay more than $300,000 a year, Maybe Eddie could chip in. This disaster was all under his Presidency 

One thing i think the Melbourne coaching staff are considering is the fact there is a big chance that the bench goes to 5 next year.

meaning you could play 2 rucks 3 mids and a key position/swingman on the bench.

meaning we could possibly have the two best rucks in the comp, going 50% ruck time at 100% capacity or close too.

This is my Theory.

Also Grundy is not injury prone at all has not missed many games in 10 years.  and how many ruckman in the league have had knee recons and come back, as well as key fwds.

If my theory is correct it could prolong Gawn and Grundy's careers by a few years, which good rucks go on into their 30s

  On 20/09/2022 at 05:21, Travy14 said:

One thing i think the Melbourne coaching staff are considering is the fact there is a big chance that the bench goes to 5 next year.

 

No chance

They reduced interchange numbers and got blindsided by the abuse of the medi sub

  On 20/09/2022 at 05:30, Diamond_Jim said:

No chance

They reduced interchange numbers and got blindsided by the abuse of the medi sub

its most defiantly a chance, none of the coaches wanted a Medi sub, they actually wanted an extra spot.  The AFL want to continually decrease interchange.  So it will be a compromise.  The coaches get the extra player they want and the AFL gets less rotations(same rotations but an extra player) which means the game opens up.

  On 20/09/2022 at 05:35, Travy14 said:

its most defiantly a chance, none of the coaches wanted a Medi sub, they actually wanted an extra spot.  The AFL want to continually decrease interchange.  So it will be a compromise.  The coaches get the extra player they want and the AFL gets less rotations(same rotations but an extra player) which means the game opens up.

This is the first I've read anything about the possibility of a 5 man bench next year. Has it been reported or speculated on in the media or is this an educated guess on your part?

Educated guess, has been in the media too.

the coaches were very [censored] with the sub rule when it came in.

and the AFL have been open about wanting less rotation to open the game up.  A lot of media have talked about it as something that will happen but as to when is the unsure aspect.

 

Our carpet bomb the forward line gameplan still has a major chance of winning us a flag (Or 2) I think, I've come around to this more since Collingwood and Brisbane failed spectacularly on the weekend and the raw emotion of not making a prelim has died down.

So Grundy will fit in nicely if the idea to improve on 2022 is to increase the quantity of wins in stoppages, clearances and inside 50's to build bigger leads, whether the forward line is fixed or not. The quality of entries won't have as much to do with Grundy as it will our mids and forwards, when he's rucking.

If we do improve the forward line mix, Max and tracc work on their goalkicking. Grundy has an off-season of work on fitness and contested marking, then hopefully everything should culminate in us being at the pointy end next year.

The 'learnings' from this year about managing our fitness and injuries should aid in us not burning out so early too.

 

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by John Demonic

talk of the 5 man bench was all the rage at the start of this year

died away

will be interesting to see if it's revisited and announced to all clubs about three days before the season starts like the sub rule was

 

  On 20/09/2022 at 06:20, Demonland said:

 

My small victorian team victim complex has really kicked into gear while listening to media pundits (Sam Edmund etc) just say 'it will get done for a 1st round pick' like that's objectively the right/only deal that can occur. They'll never go into bat for us getting a better deal and will try and  "will" the best deal possible for Collingwood, into existence.

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by John Demonic

I would be extraordinarily [censored] off if we gave a first round pick for Grundy !!!!!

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Bitter but optimistic

  On 20/09/2022 at 06:20, Demonland said:

 

Also if it is a Future 1st, I want a swap of Collingwoods future 2nd. Let's tell them to gamble on themselves and their self belief - or will they be too afraid that it will end up early pick 20's if their [censored] falls out from under them next year? 

Edited September 20, 20222 yr by John Demonic

No way am I happy for a first rounder even if they throw in 300k.. We have them over a barrel we should be giving up a 2nd rounder at best. They can go and get fkd