1 minute ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Easy to forget LJ put together one of the most significant patches of football in the history of the club to turn the 2021 grand final. the reasons to target Jackson from Freo's perspective are as obvious as the reasons we're so desperate to keep him. 

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Agreed, but that was last year and now Freo are looking at the here and now where LJ clearly hasn't done anything of last years level consistently and is still potential, and  as someone else on here said he may not be top 15 in this years B and F.

Good luck to him either way though.  He should be planning for huge impact this week.

7 hours ago, SFebes said:

I still don't understand this move or how he slots in. Hes a no.1 ruck, as is Max. And they both aren't forwards. 

I get the vibe the club wants to play Max as a forward, as we've seen more recently, but it won't work IMO.

Maxy can barely hit the side of a barn on 8 out of 10 occassions, I don't get the point of it tbh. 

The Gawn/Preuss forward ruck combo we dreamt up in late 2018 ended up being a disaster, despite both of them being perfectly fine as individual players. Then we got the Gawn/Jackson combo together which has managed to work really well. Can’t help but think the Gawn/Grundy falls into the former category TBH. 

For the record my preference would be to back Sam Weideman in if Jackson leaves, i think he's got the ability to be a good forward, but also is quite competent in the ruck as he has demonstrated when he's had opportunities. 

I'd use the salary cap space saved to pursue a Key forward of quality. 

22 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

The Gawn/Preuss forward ruck combo we dreamt up in late 2018 ended up being a disaster, despite both of them being perfectly fine as individual players. Then we got the Gawn/Jackson combo together which has managed to work really well. Can’t help but think the Gawn/Grundy falls into the former category TBH. 

l wouldn't call it a disaster, the pick for Preuss landed BBB who was in top form in the 2nd half of season and finals ... we also won a flag

With the big increases in the salary cap in the forthcoming years (on the back of the record Broadcast rights deal reported today) we could be in a position to back-end a new lucrative contract for LJ

A 5 year deal would take Luke through to being a RFA.  If he does re-sign, it may not just be for the 2 years that has been mooted

Instead of the $12Million salary cap that we see now, up to $16.3Million could be the available figure from 2025 onwards

As for LJ's form, 2 of his best games this year have been against the Lions.  So if he excels this coming Friday, the mood could easily swing around to LJ being an absolutely required player

As they say in the classics, a week is a long time in footy

Yes this new deal is one of the big domino's to fall, many things will get done now like the new CBA.

7 hours ago, DubDee said:

$650 is insane money for McStay. has never even kicked 30 goals in a season. Unless they want to play him back, but still...

I agree,  but he is the only Key fwd on the market so gotta beat everyone to get him.  very well timed by McStay, even if it is just luck

7 hours ago, Crystal Dees said:

I still can't get my head around this. If Collingwood are prepared to pay around $300k a year of Grundy's wage and pay McStay $650k they are basically swapping those 2 players for very little salary cap saving and similar draft pick swaps. 

Grundy would eat McStay for breakfast as a footballer.

The only reason I can see, is Collingwood believe Grundy's injuries are chronic and/or they are being delusional about the draft pick they will get for him. 

If Jackson goes, and Grundy is fit, I'd love to have the best 2 AFL ruckman at our club.

Yeh it does sound strange,  has been no chat about Grundy being done injury wise.  and you would think we would do a very vigorous medical like we did with Bennell.

I'm very interested to see how it works.

I think Collingwood have been sucked in by the form of Cameron and obviously salary cap issues

3 hours ago, Sydee said:

This thread is hilarious - he’s going , he’s gone, Grundy in , Grundy out , Freo hot , Freo cold 

And all the time still not a single word from the man himself - he’d be rolling around in stitches reading this 

He's not reading it

26 minutes ago, IRW said:

He's not reading it

Smart 

The way we’ve gone this year I’d be more surprised if we weren’t chasing Grundy.

1 hour ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

The Gawn/Preuss forward ruck combo we dreamt up in late 2018 ended up being a disaster, despite both of them being perfectly fine as individual players. Then we got the Gawn/Jackson combo together which has managed to work really well. Can’t help but think the Gawn/Grundy falls into the former category TBH. 

in fairness to Grundy is far different from Pruess. He is not a tap ruck but is great at second efforts 

1 hour ago, Dwight Schrute said:

For the record my preference would be to back Sam Weideman in if Jackson leaves, i think he's got the ability to be a good forward, but also is quite competent in the ruck as he has demonstrated when he's had opportunities. 

I'd use the salary cap space saved to pursue a Key forward of quality. 

What makes you think Weid would make a good forward? Not takin the pizz just wondering what you see

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Stay firm Brodie!

Yep, dig those size 16 heels in!

6 hours ago, old dee said:

If LJ stays the offer to Grundy would disappear IMO. The Pies desperately need Grundys salary off their list, he could end up somewhere else. All this is depending on these reporters actually being right. Hmm my gut feel is they are guessing at best. 

Coupla things.

1. Why would we help Collingwood relieve salary cap space?
Keep the pressure up both on field and off.
They wanna give De Goey 3.2M or whatever ... Just let 'em keep digging.

2. Haven't heard a peep from either Jackson or Grundy.
These media parasites with nothing better to do than make sheet up seem to think they're league wide list managers.

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I can't figure this one out, can you?

2 hours ago, Travy14 said:

I agree,  but he is the only Key fwd on the market so gotta beat everyone to get him.  very well timed by McStay, even if it is just luck

McStay  is a good contested mark and kick. I don’t think he has the forward craft though (leading patterns etc) but it may actually work with our game plan which is predictable. He probably lacks defensive accountability though which isn’t ideal.

He is also a clear upgrade on Weid and can definitely relieve Gawn in the ruck. I think he be a better choice than Grundy but 650 is definitely overs. Probably a 500-550 player.

I wonder if we play hardball with Collingwood and try to squeeze a great deal for us by either trying to get Grundy on the cheap. If we can walk away from that deal Collingwood won’t have cap and we. Oils potentially lure McStay  below ilhis asking price win-win

 

9 minutes ago, CYB said:

McStay  is a good contested mark and kick. I don’t think he has the forward craft though (leading patterns etc) but it may actually work with our game plan which is predictable. He probably lacks defensive accountability though which isn’t ideal.

He is also a clear upgrade on Weid and can definitely relieve Gawn in the ruck. I think he be a better choice than Grundy but 650 is definitely overs. Probably a 500-550 player.

I wonder if we play hardball with Collingwood and try to squeeze a great deal for us by either trying to get Grundy on the cheap. If we can walk away from that deal Collingwood won’t have cap and we. Oils potentially lure McStay  below ilhis asking price win-win

 

i think everyone has given up on McStay, i like the thinking though.

Coll have already said they will pay #300k of Grundy's salary, which is great and i don't think it will get much better than that.

6 hours ago, CYB said:

McStay  is a good contested mark and kick. I don’t think he has the forward craft though (leading patterns etc) but it may actually work with our game plan which is predictable. He probably lacks defensive accountability though which isn’t ideal.

He is also a clear upgrade on Weid and can definitely relieve Gawn in the ruck. I think he be a better choice than Grundy but 650 is definitely overs. Probably a 500-550 player.

I wonder if we play hardball with Collingwood and try to squeeze a great deal for us by either trying to get Grundy on the cheap. If we can walk away from that deal Collingwood won’t have cap and we. Oils potentially lure McStay  below ilhis asking price win-win

 

McStay  is not a key forward but a third forward in the Fritsch role really now with some ruck role playing. 

Having watched him for all his career at Lions he us a better mark than Fritta but not any where nears the footy skills or smarts that Bailey brings to our table. 

Salaries should be $400/500 to McStay and $600/650 to Bailey. His 50/ 60 H and A goals plus Finals are priceless for us. 

9 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Agreed, but that was last year and now Freo are looking at the here and now where LJ clearly hasn't done anything of last years level consistently and is still potential, and  as someone else on here said he may not be top 15 in this years B and F.

Good luck to him either way though.  He should be planning for huge impact this week.

One holding year for Jacko doesn't harm his future  potential. 

8 hours ago, DubDee said:

in fairness to Grundy is far different from Pruess. He is not a tap ruck but is great at second efforts 

Correct Grundy is an All Australian ruckman & extra midfielder at stoppages 

Pruess is a VFL standard ruckman

12 hours ago, old dee said:

It's a fan sight, what do you expect no comment until a decision is announced? Fans on a fans site discuss things is that a surprise? 

Yep. Otherwise, on that basis, half the threads on here wouldn’t exist! 😂

 

9 hours ago, IRW said:

He's not reading it

If anyone thinks that nobody from our Club, nor any players and/or their family members read these boards, think again. Just sayin’…

7 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

If anyone thinks that nobody from our Club, nor any players and/or their family members read these boards, think again. Just sayin’…

Oh if you expand the list like that you are no doubt correct

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