CHANGES: Rd 18 vs Port Adelaide

[dee-tox 4,831]

4 hours ago, P-man said:

Salem last week had 22 disposals, 453m gained at 83% DE and 6 tackles (2nd behind Oliver).

He has not been poor since returning from injury and is absolutely not getting dropped. He was poor tonight but he had a lot of mates..

Salem was good last week. Poor tonight. He is such an important player but seems to be holding back since returning from injury.

 

[picket fence 15,748]

7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

We either need to play Gawn/Jackson forward more when they're not rucking, or we need to pick Weideman until TMac's back. We can't be that small forward of the ball.

Bowey and Salem both struggled tonight. With Rivers and Hunt out of the side, there is competition for their spots.

I'm not convinced by Bedford. His Brisbane game was good but he is too fumbly under pressure and with our run home, we're copping pressure each week. 

I called it earlier in the week... Massive mistake not playing Mitch Brown and as iterated Bedford was very poor.

[bobby1554 1,170]

Both Weideman and JVR in, Jackson out for good. We are not winning it this year so give those two the rest of the year. Chandler should come in if he plays well again in the VFL, Rivers or Hunt in. Bedford, Bowey and Spargo out.

[bluey 923]

Yeh, we could use Chandlers height.

[jumbo returns 6,619]

Sparrow needs a rest?

Spargo too?

That manic F50 pressure has dried up

[spirit of norm smith 13,584]

Outs.
Spargo (been poor for a while)

Bedford (disappointed because he hasn’t taken his chance)

Bowey (masking mistakes and getting physically out bodied) 

and possibly 

Sparrow (beset with slips and fumbles.  Love the kid and setup ANB goal but just not contributing enough) 

ins. 
Weid or JVR -,we need another fwd target.  Fritsch needs to the 3rd tall but is getting physically sucked into big congested marking contests.  Yes if he’s ok, I’d consider JVR 

Chandler - it’s time to reward him and give him the 2-3 game block   He hasn’t taken prior chances but need to give him the chance again as Bedford lost his opportunities 

Rivers & Hunt - they have served exile.  Need their pace and run across half back.  
 

Hibberd May  Lever

Salem Petty Rivers 

Langdon Viney Brayshaw 

Anb Weid/JVR Chandler 

Pickett Bbb Fritsch

Gawn Trac Clarry

Hunt Harmes  Jordon Jackson 

sub. Sparrow 
 

[poita 3,754]

In: Hunt, Rivers, Dunstan, Weideman / Van Rooyen.

Out: Salem, Bowey, Sparrow, Bedford.

 

[Fat Tony 4,597]

I will reiterate my call for Hunt to be played as a forward. Hunt is a proven goal kicker and our small forwards are getting out marked too often and Hunt will give a better aerial contest than ANB, Spargo and Bedford.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

11 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Alice Springs is a huge ground. I was all for Weideman playing tonight but the extra small might work on the bigger ground.

 

Given it's a day game at the Alice and assuming it's dry, another tall forward should play. I don't think we can win a premiership with Mitch Brown in the side, so the forward to come in should be either Weideman or van Rooyen. One of Bedford or Spargo should go out. Probably Bedford, unless Spargo is unfit or unwell. (I'm hoping that's the reason why we didn't see Spargo much last night).

If Oliver can't play, Dunstan should come in for him.

Everyone else in the side deserves to stay, even though a number were poor last night. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

7 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Salem was good last week. Poor tonight. He is such an important player but seems to be holding back since returning from injury.

 

Personally I think it's role related.

Gus now seems to be playing as the 7th defender, allowing him to take so many intercept marks and get the loose possessions. He had 0 tackles last night and only averages 1.5 per game for the year, so that confirms it even more to me.

Salem now has a far more defensive lockdown role given that, whereas he would previously often be more loose and we would use him almost as a 'designated kicker', I remember Goody talking about going through him lots last year as well.

As good as Gus has been at half back, I think we're losing out overall with him there. Jordon is nowhere near as good on the wing, especially defensively, and we're losing out on Salem's kicking and setting up our play. I reckon it's time Rivers or Hunt came back in and Gus went back to the wing.

[Fat Tony 4,597]

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Given it's a day game at the Alice and assuming it's dry, another tall forward should play. I don't think we can win a premiership with Mitch Brown in the side, so the forward to come in should be either Weideman or van Rooyen. One of Bedford or Spargo should go out. Probably Bedford, unless Spargo is unfit or unwell. (I'm hoping that's the reason why we didn't see Spargo much last night).

If Oliver can't play, Dunstan should come in for him.

Everyone else in the side deserves to stay, even though a number were poor last night. 

I am coming around to thinking we need to give Weideman time to get confidence and find form if we are going to win the flag.

[Fat Tony 4,597]

14 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Personally I think it's role related.

Gus now seems to be playing as the 7th defender, allowing him to take so many intercept marks and get the loose possessions. He had 0 tackles last night and only averages 1.5 per game for the year, so that confirms it even more to me.

Salem now has a far more defensive lockdown role given that, whereas he would previously often be more loose and we would use him almost as a 'designated kicker', I remember Goody talking about going through him lots last year as well.

As good as Gus has been at half back, I think we're losing out overall with him there. Jordon is nowhere near as good on the wing, especially defensively, and we're losing out on Salem's kicking and setting up our play. I reckon it's time Rivers or Hunt came back in and Gus went back to the wing.

Salem has lost his drive and is only kicking 45m at the moment. I don't think we can put it down to role, which is not really changed.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, Fat Tony said:

Salem has lost his drive and is only kicking 45m at the moment. I don't think we can put it down to role, which is not really changed.

Gus was moved to HB to play the 'Salem role'. He's still playing that same role. Of course Salem's role has changed then.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,580]

I've  seen very little of Casey this year and to be honest, I don't know who is playing well consistently or who is putting pressure on senior players for a game at AFL level.

So I'd like like some close Casey watchers to tell me what JVR has to offer. Has he genuinely demonstrated that he is capable of playing at the top level or is he only getting mentioned because Weid's form is poor and Tmac is out?

[leave it to deever 16,570]

1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

I will reiterate my call for Hunt to be played as a forward. Hunt is a proven goal kicker and our small forwards are getting out marked too often and Hunt will give a better aerial contest than ANB, Spargo and Bedford.

or a winger with his speed

[Demon3 2,541]

Thought we were horrible in nearly every post last night. Petty, Oliver, Viney, Hibbo, lever exceptions.

We lacked dare and played into teh hands of geelong. Coaching was ordinary. Dont pick 2 blokes if they cant play the game out. Why Jackson wouldn't rest at FF last night was beyond me, Brown had to go up the ground.. no one was in the forward line for the next kick. Fritsch is a good player, but he was dumb and lazy last night.

Its a wake up call, not panic stations. Just get 4 points next match then we move onto the next.

[leave it to deever 16,570]

5 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I've  seen very little of Casey this year and to be honest, I don't know who is playing well consistently or who is putting pressure on senior players for a game at AFL level.

So I'd like like some close Casey watchers to tell me what JVR has to offer. Has he genuinely demonstrated that he is capable of playing at the top level or is he only getting mentioned because Weid's form is poor and Tmac is out?

i know you have defended Tmac in the past.

Well done.

People wanted him dropped and now look at our fwd structure.

[dazzledavey36 49,772]

11 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I've  seen very little of Casey this year and to be honest, I don't know who is playing well consistently or who is putting pressure on senior players for a game at AFL level.

So I'd like like some close Casey watchers to tell me what JVR has to offer. Has he genuinely demonstrated that he is capable of playing at the top level or is he only getting mentioned because Weid's form is poor and Tmac is out?

194cm aggressive key forward who loves nothing but to crash packs and launch at the footy. From a physical size point of view he's ready to go, It'll be more around the step up in terms of AFL intensity and match fitness.

Not only that, he's got some serious jukes on him for such a young kid. His contesting marking was elite at under 18 level and from what I've seen of him this year that's carried into VFL level.

His stats alone at VFL level this year speaks for itself.

10 games 20.7 goals and averaging 4.3 marks per game.

Small glimpse.

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by dazzledavey36

[Deespicable 2,574]

Goody said the audit would come and hopefully with a 10-day break both he and the selectors do some tinkering.

The first and biggest decision is deciding if they can continue to just attack via the left-hand side. I know we have three left footers down back but it was embarrassing watching our lack of variety and inability to switch play. If we are sticking with that line of attack, then you have to go back to another big up front to present down that line. The obvious fix to this is to either use a right-footer such as Brayshaw on kick-ins or to provide a fun incentive reward for May to switch to the right at least once a quarter.

We looked slow against the Cats and we also did against the Pies in Rd 13. We altered our mix after Rd 13 to have an extra small forward to solve the pace problem - Bedford was added - but unfortunately in a pressure-cooker game (and they all will be from here) it didn't work and we just looked small and ineffectual.

So the first thing is that it's back to three small forwards (not four). The other thing is that we looked slow in our ball movement from down back and at the same time didn't have enough bodies (extras) around the stoppages. 

At least one of Rivers or Hunt must return to our back seven because we have to have more drive from the back. If that means Bowey has to sit out for a few weeks, then so be it. The thing with Hunt is that he cannot be left on last line in a one-on-one contest because he's not that sort of player as we saw against Sydney. Hibberd or Salem or Brayshaw have to take whichever small forward is playing close to goals. I'll be interested to see if the hunger has returned with Rivers after a few weeks out and we will know after tonight's VFL game I suspect.

As to stoppages, Harmes has to be in the middle more often. Yes he's not as classy as Trac and Olly, but we need his grunt work more than ever in the lead-up to the finals and together with Viney they can provide shutdown roles as well.

Finally, we need a bit of excitement among the group and that invariably comes with a first-gamer. Hopefully either Lawrie or Van Rooyen plays well enough in the VFL tonight to warrant a debut. 

I am also hopeful that we are spending a bit more than two nights in the Alice as right now our young guys need to have a break from what is an incredibly cold winter. Sure the guys with kids may prefer to stay put with their families, but this is a great chance to get some endurance training in along with some team-bonding with peripheral players.

In: (subject to decent games in VFL) Weid or (Van Rooyen), Hunt or Rivers (maybe even both), Lawrie (if he has a good game in VFL).

Out: Bedford or Spargo (you cannot drop Kossie for the Alice Springs game), Olly (if thumb broken) or Sparrow (if Lawrie plays well in VFL), Bowey and possibly Hibberd (if Rivers plays a blinder in VFL).

[Fat Tony 4,597]

8 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

or a winger with his speed

Jordon had a bad night but has been excellent this season. I would not be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,580]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

194cm aggressive key forward who loves nothing but to crash packs and launch at the footy. From a physical size point of view he's ready to go, It'll be more around the step up in terms of AFL intensity and match fitness.

Not only that, he's got some serious jukes on him for such a young kid. His contesting marking was elite at under 18 level and from what I've seen of him this year that's carried into VFL level.

His stats alone at VFL level this year speaks for itself.

10 games 20 goals and averaging 4.3 marks per game.

Small glimpse.

 

Thanks Dazzle but I'm going to put you on the spot.

If we decide to go another tall next week - would you play him?

[Fritta and Turner 3,891]

12 hours ago, Chelly said:

Chandler must be close.

on past form he will have to kick 6 with 30+ possessions to be even considered as an emergency

[Ham 741]

If Oliver misses, put Salem in the middle and bring Rivers/Hunt back in. We need an elite ball user closer to the contest and Salem could well be that. 

[Sydee 3,755]

8 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I've  seen very little of Casey this year and to be honest, I don't know who is playing well consistently or who is putting pressure on senior players for a game at AFL level.

So I'd like like some close Casey watchers to tell me what JVR has to offer. Has he genuinely demonstrated that he is capable of playing at the top level or is he only getting mentioned because Weid's form is poor and Tmac is out?

I've watched quite a lot of Casey this season and I am a believer that in time JVR could be a good footballer at AFL level - his time is not now if want my opinion. To me he is a bit like a Jack Darling or Jack Riewoldt - he does have good hands and seems to know where the goals are. He is not particularly quick for his size (but not slow either) he does seem to like the physical contest - this being a real positive because some of our other tall forward options don't seem keen or capable in that area.

The reason he is not quite ready for AFL imo is that to play like the Jack's mentioned above you have to be physically strong enough. He has put on size this season so his body will keep getting stronger but the step to AFL is a very big one. I also think he will benefit from another preseason where he can build a bigger fitness base so he can run at pace for longer periods of the game - this is critical for a forward of his height.   

There are too many posters on this site calling for mass changes after last night which obviously was a disappointing performance - we were our pressured by a team that wanted to win more and given that pressure we turned the ball over too easily. Changing personnel is not the answer - changing mindset is. Yes there are a couple of players that could arguably be replaced this week but for me there were only a few that played to their true capacity and we can't change 75% of the team

Form at Casey doesn't really translate to AFL level we have seen that time and time again with the likes of Weid, M Brown, Baker and even Tomlinson. Chandler is another that performs well at Casey but can't replicate that at senior level (yet). People need to understand that players like RIvers and Hunt are probably at Casey because their disposal has been sub par - based on last nights performance the last thing we need is players who are prone to turning the ball over consistently. 

Sorry for the long winded answer but for me JVR is going to be a player but I'd be reluctant to through him to the wolves now unless we have totally lost faith in BB and Fritta

[leave it to deever 16,570]

16 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Jordon had a bad night but has been excellent this season. I would not be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

whoops forgot about Jordan....yep he certainly stays put.