Turning Hogan into May

[Altona-demon 321]

With all the talk of Freo interest in Jacko.  Got me thinking about our recent trading history with them ie the Hogan trade.  Anyway, went down a rabbit hole trying to trace this trade through.

In effect, looked like we turned Hogan into May.  In that context I found this article: AFL 2020: Steven May trade to Melbourne, Ben King Gold Coast Suns, AFL draft, Jake Lever Adelaide (foxsports.com.au)

There are some absolutely priceless quotes in there from David King.  Hindsight is 20/20. 

Enjoy D'Landers - and let's trust our list team to get the job done (again).

Edited June 30, 2022 by Altona-demon

[Redleg 40,971]

53 minutes ago, Altona-demon said:

With all the talk of Freo interest in Jacko.  Got me thinking about our recent trading history with them ie the Hogan trade.  Anyway, went down a rabbit hole trying to trace this trade through.

In effect, looked like we turned Hogan into May.  In that context I found this article: AFL 2020: Steven May trade to Melbourne, Ben King Gold Coast Suns, AFL draft, Jake Lever Adelaide (foxsports.com.au)

There are some absolutely priceless quotes in there from David King.  Hindsight is 20/20. 

Enjoy D'Landers - and let's trust our list team to get the job done (again).

“They’ve gone May and Lever as part of their big spend, who are very good players, but what influence can they really have on winning games of football?” David King.

🙉

[Sydee 4,449]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

“They’ve gone May and Lever as part of their big spend, who are very good players, but what influence can they really have on winning games of football?” David King.

🙉

That didn't age well 

[Yarra Valley Demon 127]

Oh wow that's brilliant 😂😂😂😂

[ucanchoose 1,816]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

That didn't age well 

Nothing that bloke says ages well tbh 🙄 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 minutes ago, ucanchoose said:

Nothing that bloke says ages well tbh 🙄 

Yeh chops & changes far too much, often to his own detriment.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

We all get them wrong from time to time, only need to look on this forum.

King and the like get paid though 😄

Edited June 30, 2022 by Dee Zephyr

[CHF 2,743]

The trades for Lever and May are critical for this club. Not so much the fact that we got the trade across the line but it reflects the time and work that goes into these situations. 

We were into these for quite a while before the trades were done. We had identified the players we wanted to fit the building strategy we had in place, worked to get the currency so the trades could be made and made sure we had the salary cap structure to fit them in and keep them happy.

I am sure we are in a similar position of tracking other players we see as possible trades with an eye in the future.

[sisso 2,580]

Riewoldt describing Omac and Frosty as “really good key defenders” ummmmmm

[Fritta and Turner 4,435]

7 minutes ago, CHF said:

The trades for Lever and May are critical for this club. Not so much the fact that we got the trade across the line but it reflects the time and work that goes into these situations. 

We have got other trades across the line because of $$$$.

When S May hears the pitch and tells his manager just get him to the MFC no matter what something special is happening.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

7 minutes ago, sisso said:

Riewoldt describing Omac and Frosty as “really good key defenders” ummmmmm

Frost is a good defender one-on-one but cannot play team defence and is a poor user of the ball. 

[Jaded No More 68,966]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

“They’ve gone May and Lever as part of their big spend, who are very good players, but what influence can they really have on winning games of football?” David King.

🙉

David King loves making an [censored] of himself 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

16 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

David King loves making an [censored] of himself 

He does, but i applaud him for having an opinion. Others just skirt around the edges not wanting to upset people. He is also quite balanced as is Montagna and have plenty of depth and analysis to their opinion. 

They will get it wrong just as many times as they get it right. 

[deejammin' 2,371]

22 minutes ago, CYB said:

He does, but i applaud him for having an opinion. Others just skirt around the edges not wanting to upset people. He is also quite balanced as is Montagna and have plenty of depth and analysis to their opinion. 

They will get it wrong just as many times as they get it right. 

This is the same Montagna that had the saints thrashing the dees in round 8 and only one week ago had us possibly missing finals? He has done good analysis but when it comes to us and his beloved saints he lets emotion get in the way and makes some very, VERY, stupid calls.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

13 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

This is the same Montagna that had the saints thrashing the dees in round 8 and only one week ago had us possibly missing finals? He has done good analysis but when it comes to us and his beloved saints he lets emotion get in the way and makes some very, VERY, stupid calls.

I think they all have made stupid, emotional calls but if you follow some of the pre-match programs, they all have to make an outrageous 'tip' on the game. When they get it right they look like oracles and conversely, like fools when they get it wrong - its all for a bit of entertainment. 

If you were asked for a genuine tip/insight, you'd find that most commentators would find it a difficult proposition to actually predict what is going to happen with lots of ums and ahhs and caveats, which would make for some really boring TV. 

There are specific commentators like Brereton, Dwayno Gerard Whately (to a lesser extent) who i just cannot stand as they let their bias continually stand in the way of their judgement and others that have no clue (BT, James Brayshaw, Robbo etc). But thats just me. 

[CatFishPig 455]

So we should get Hogan back?

[whatwhat say what 22,783]

2 minutes ago, CatFishPig said:

So we should get Hogan back?

i'd take him back...for a 3rd / 4th round pick

[deelusions from afar 1,810]

I opened this thread thinking GWS had decided to give Jesse a new role at full back!  😆

 

I think he has the physical attributes to do it.  But we all know it takes more than that.

[Axis of Bob 11,836]

That article is genuinely hilarious. 

 

1 hour ago, CYB said:

He does, but i applaud him for having an opinion. Others just skirt around the edges not wanting to upset people.

I don't applaud people for just having an opinion. I could say that Clayton Oliver is a hack and only gets cheap, easy possessions. I'd be a f#@$%ng [censored], but you'd applaud me for having an opinion.

That's pretty much how I rate David King's opinion.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Axis of Bob

[Fritta and Turner 4,435]

Yep, I read the title as

What would i have to do to turn Hogan into May, in like a physical sense.,

So I thought of nights out at the boxing, fancy restaurants, beverages, crap haircut....

but then...

6 drops of essence of terror

5 drops of sinister sauce

(yes you can lick the spoon)

and tip the tincture of tenderness down the toilet.

That should do it.

[deejammin' 2,371]

32 minutes ago, CYB said:

I think they all have made stupid, emotional calls but if you follow some of the pre-match programs, they all have to make an outrageous 'tip' on the game. When they get it right they look like oracles and conversely, like fools when they get it wrong - its all for a bit of entertainment. 

If you were asked for a genuine tip/insight, you'd find that most commentators would find it a difficult proposition to actually predict what is going to happen with lots of ums and ahhs and caveats, which would make for some really boring TV. 

There are specific commentators like Brereton, Dwayno Gerard Whately (to a lesser extent) who i just cannot stand as they let their bias continually stand in the way of their judgement and others that have no clue (BT, James Brayshaw, Robbo etc). But thats just me. 

I agree with the ones you can’t stand and my appalling footy tipping in 2022 means that I appreciate how difficult an in the spot prediction can be. But both of Montagnas very, very wrong statements about us (that we would get smashed by the saints and that it was possible we would miss finals) were in early in the week articles, not pre-game stuff. He clearly dislikes us, like most of the football media it must be said, and always goes the negative narrative on Melbourne to his detriment.

[Little Goffy 14,582]

Ahh, David King.

His main comment on the 2019 draft was to question Melbourne's selection of each of Jackson and Pickett as being 'not what the club really needs' and overpaying for both.

I don't like it when people are paid well to do things which I (and many others) could do better with little effort.

[Demons11 7,032]

21 hours ago, Altona-demon said:

With all the talk of Freo interest in Jacko.  Got me thinking about our recent trading history with them ie the Hogan trade.  Anyway, went down a rabbit hole trying to trace this trade through.

In effect, looked like we turned Hogan into May.  In that context I found this article: AFL 2020: Steven May trade to Melbourne, Ben King Gold Coast Suns, AFL draft, Jake Lever Adelaide (foxsports.com.au)

There are some absolutely priceless quotes in there from David King.  Hindsight is 20/20. 

Enjoy D'Landers - and let's trust our list team to get the job done (again).

Brilliant - thanks for posting 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

2 hours ago, deejammin' said:

I agree with the ones you can’t stand and my appalling footy tipping in 2022 means that I appreciate how difficult an in the spot prediction can be. But both of Montagnas very, very wrong statements about us (that we would get smashed by the saints and that it was possible we would miss finals) were in early in the week articles, not pre-game stuff. He clearly dislikes us, like most of the football media it must be said, and always goes the negative narrative on Melbourne to his detriment.

Really? I dont get that vibe from Montagna at all. I remember him getting onto us quite early last year as the favorite and never for a moment - even when we were dropping games - went off us. 

Well if what you say is true, then ill play closer attention to him. But id still take those two over most in the journalism industry. 

 

[COOLX 209]

Perhaps leaving the Dees led to his downfall. I understand why he left . As a club we gained more from the trade as per Hogan to Freo , May to demons was a win for us.  I would take him back for 3Rd or 4th rounder but would have to prove himself in the reserves either as a forward or defender.