2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Stop talking sense, it does not belong in this thread.

According to some on here we've been loading the moment we lost to Freo.

Actually it started at half time in that game 

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Actually it started at half time in that game 

They did 100x100’s during half time.  It’s obvious isn’t it? 😂😉

I’d love @dazzledavey36to provide some evidence that anyone has said anything like what he claims.  I won’t hold my breath. 

12 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/series-2-episode-1-it-s-a-grand-old-flag/id1519942623?i=1000538171645
 

 

Good pod. Says nothing about loading- just tailoring programming for players and roles and a strategy to go hard at training to replicate match intensity 

14 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

Good pod. Says nothing about loading- just tailoring programming for players and roles and a strategy to go hard at training to replicate match intensity 

Posted this link due to details on continuing to train with intensity during finals, even if load/volumes not continuing to increase. Ie yesterday’s training footage very much inline with expectations.

 

 

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by 1964_2

I think we have/are definitely loading, but the biggest problems have been due to a step away from our 2021 values, some bad habits creeping back in and some inconsistency of availability and form with key players 

as well as simply playing some really good teams at times. 
 

our best is still good enough to win the flag and I’m really encouraged by the talk coming out of the club 

4 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I agree the inability to run out games can be the result of fatigue but there are many causes of fatigue not just 'loading'. 

Other than Brisbane we haven't run out games since before the Freo game.  Even our wins since have found us wanting in the last quarter.  Some on here have said we started loading a few weeks before the Freo game.  Since then, others have often said we are loading as do the most recent posts above.  And based on Chandler's interview the view is we are still loading...

That is a long time to be loading especially if it is as you say, two months of 'heavy' loading.

I also saw that vision.  iirc that vision didn't involve Max, per se.  It compared our defending the transition form the opps d50 last week to the the equivalent game last year.  Up and about last year, but not last week.  I agree with you about complacency and discipline being a factor.  And that it is up to the players and their execution of the game plan.

I'm with you that we haven't been worked out.  Most teams have tried something new, some have worked some haven't.  All clubs know each other team's game plans, strengths and weaknesses.  As you say we need to get our focus back to where it was last year. 

Wait one more sleep Luci.

If we suddenly run out the game significantly better, might be time to acknowledge some things.

If we fade in the second half again, I and others am sure will be happy to acknowledge more weight towards other theories like “lack of fitness”, “complacency” etc. 

24 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Wait one more sleep Luci.

If we suddenly run out the game significantly better, might be time to acknowledge some things.

If we fade in the second half again, I and others am sure will be happy to acknowledge more weight towards other theories like “lack of fitness”, “complacency” etc. 

There is nothing more to acknowledge.  I've said plenty of times that I agree about loading programs. 

I've outlined already this morning the other factors the club has worked on this week.

We will win tomorrow night and it will be a function of fitness (loading if you insist on me saying it) and those other factors.  Not one, not the other.

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by Lucifers Hero

12 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

There is nothing to acknowledge.  I've said plenty of times that I agree about loading programs. 

I've outlined already this morning the other factors the club has worked on this week.

We will win tomorrow night and it will be a function of fitness (loading if you insist on me saying it) and those other factors.  Not one, not the other.

Understand your views (and looking for acknowledgment of multiple reasons) Am sure there is a bit of mis-communication going on, and the blue corner vs red corner are not actually as opposed in view as it may appear. 

On the mental side there is a big difference in my mind of being a little complacent or flat during the grind part of the season vs this point on, where things ramp up.

If we see more loose checking, and players choosing when to pressure etc tomm night, I will be more concerned about our hunger and wondering if it’s just not our year. But a big response, and we can hopefully put some past bad habits behind us. 
 

14 hours ago, layzie said:

Something I'm finding is that there's now more talk about physical conditioning and less talk of the mental aspect and how resilient the side is. Eg. the leads we've blown are mainly due to loading but mental toughness, confidence and the psychological side don't get a second glance lately. 

The leads we blew were a number of times heavily influenced by injury aswell.

8 hours ago, von said:

The leads we blew were a number of times heavily influenced by injury aswell.

This is true, many factors.

21 hours ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I think we have/are definitely loading, but the biggest problems have been due to a step away from our 2021 values, some bad habits creeping back in and some inconsistency of availability and form with key players 

as well as simply playing some really good teams at times.

our best is still good enough to win the flag and I’m really encouraged by the talk coming out of the club 

Thank you.

I'm glad someone else recognises and articulates the 'biggest problems' affecting our performance.  I have been harping on about those issues since the Freo loss.

By 'the talk coming out of the club' I assume you mean things like the gist of this post?

23 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Good points;

Re the last sentence:  I think there have been deeper issues in recent times.

Interviews this week have been telling:

• Brayshaw (SEN) said it really isn't a sort of arrogance but more not doing team things.
• Goodwin (press conf) several times said we need to get back to everyone buying-in.  Big reference to the need to be more ruthless.
• Petracca (AFL360) several times referred to complacency creeping in and players leaving (pressure) work to a team mate.

Petracca said coaches have been telling them to not look at this time last year and expect the wins to the finals to be repeated.  Something like: Forget last year, they need to make it happen this year.

However, I think the 'deeper issues' they mention have been addressed particularly in the last week.  Some soul searching has been happening. 

On the positive side, each talked with conviction that we know the issues and we can fix them. 

Looking forward to a good win on Friday night.  Will the reasons be the end of loading or players changing the things in the interviews?  We will never know really know.  Probably both.

To that I can add Richardson's comments yesterday about learning form and being ready for Freo. 

And he clearly stated that while we owned part of the losses to Freo, Syd and Coll they were also due to those clubs trying new tactics against us which were successful. 

We can add Geelong to that list.  Opp coaches have barely rated a mention in loading discussions let alone given due credit.

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by Lucifers Hero

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thank you.

I'm glad someone else recognises and articulates the 'biggest problems' affecting our performance.  I have been harping on about those issues since the Freo loss.

By 'the talk coming out of the club' I assume you mean things like the gist of this post?

To that I can add Richardson's comments yesterday about learning form and being ready for Freo. 

And he clearly stated that while we owned part of the losses to Freo, Syd and Coll they were also due to those clubs trying new tactics against us which were successful. 

We can add Geelong to that list.  Opp coaches have barely rated a mention in loading discussions let alone given due credit.

Our individual beliefs are formed from past experiences, research, who we have spoken to etc. It is very difficult to change someone’s beliefs.

If we all accept that none of us know with 100% certainty why we win or lose games, it probably makes it easier to just sit back and enjoy the game. 

Otherwise this circular loop of a discussion will do all our heads in. 

For example, do those successful opposition tactics work, when we are running on top of the ground. I won’t go on. A rabbit hole that doesn’t really benefit anyone. 
 

...like clockwork, or if you will, the precisely engineered Swiss time piece that it is.

Edited July 29, 20223 yr by Engorged Onion

Binman = jesus

The prosecution rests.

A win for the load belivers, we all know who we are.

 

Binman, you are my football guru.

Cannot wait until next week when we take on the Ferals

GO DEES

6 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Binman, you are my football guru.

Cannot wait until next week when we take on the Ferals

GO DEES

Looking forward to the Demonland podcast this week.

We are as fit as a fiddle and right on cue.

Funny how all the other aspects of our gameplan just fall into place. Feeling confident about the rest of the year.

Go Dees ! 

Morning... my fragile ego just wanted to repost this...

 

Edited July 29, 20223 yr by Engorged Onion

10 hours ago, DemonWA said:

Binman = jesus

I'm just a man.

10 hours ago, DemonWA said:

Binman = jesus

 

6 minutes ago, binman said:

I'm just a man.

Dare I say he's just a very naughty boy.

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Dare I say he's just a very naughty boy.

Well, that's very true

LOL.

So Freo hasn't been loading when all along it has been claimed that the top 4-5 teams this year had the time for loading?  And people found a correlation of their loading program and their mid year loses.

So what happened to Freo's loading program?

It isn't just loading...

Edited July 29, 20223 yr by Lucifers Hero

4 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

LOL.

So Freo hasn't been loading when all along it has been claimed that the top 4-5 teams this year had the time for loading?  And people found a correlation of their loading program and their mid year loses.

So what happened to Freo's loading program?

It isn't just loading...

That's a weird statement Lucy, I think you're aware that no one who advocates for loading as being the main contributing factor, considers it to be the sole factor. That's been cleared up time and time again.

Edited July 29, 20223 yr by Engorged Onion