Blues the Dee-stroyers?

[Rivers Run Red 187]

Baggers problem is they can't control the momentum swing when it comes back the other way. 

Goody should adopt a little rope a dope

[Cassiew 1,903]

I have some blues supporters friends who claim we don’t have 15 wins in a row because they beat us in a practice match. The stupidity in some people beggars belief 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,851]

6 hours ago, Rivers Run Red said:

Baggers problem is they can't control the momentum swing when it comes back the other way. 

Goody should adopt a little rope a dope

But the thing is Carlton haven’t lost one single game when they’ve had a big lead.

This tells me their leads have been more then enough to win the game, and they’ve got the composure and maturity to hang on, which will hold them in good stead in September.

Clearly everyone here isn’t taking them seriously, but I am.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

On 5/24/2022 at 11:35 AM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Carlton's midfield destroyed us in the AAMI practice match at Marvel. We lost the possession count by 70, clearances by a staggering 23 despite having our entire starting midfield available and they out tackled us by 14 despite having more of the ball.

As others have said, it was a practice match, we were missing most of our defence, didn't turn up until half time, Carlton got numerous goals from 50s because the umpires over-umpired dissent (but only against Melbourne), 2 6-6-6 violations at the end of the match. The only think you can take out of the match is that was the template for how Carlton have played all year. Teams with poor defences  don't win Premierships. Do you seriously think Carlton's midfield is better than Melbourne's? 

On 5/24/2022 at 1:30 PM, Lucifers Hero said:

Lets put that pre-season game in perspective!  

They benefited form a heap of 50m penalties courtesy of the new 'dissent' and 'holding up play' rules (...what has happened to the latter...)  Remember we were the guinea pigs for those new rules.

iirc they scored at least 5 goals directly from frees/50 m penalties. And they won by only 5 points.

Sure they had Charlie Curnow, Jacob Weitering and Sam Walsh out but we had Steven May, Harrison Petty, Michael Hibberd, Trent Rivers, Christian Salem out ie 5 of our Premiership defenders.

I think they will make a formidable opponent but that game isn't a reliable reference point.

It's interesting that there has been a view that Melbourne has benefitted from favourable umpiring. I'll concede we got the rub of the green against North but that had no effect on the result. Let's compare that to Carlton who have been favoured all year in a way that has affected results. But that would be an anti-Carlton narrative so forget it.

It could be just be my anti-Carlton bias coming out but looking at Carlton's record they could well have been 4-6 this year as all of Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide & Sydney blew numerous opportunities to run over the top of them. Even if Carlton had won 2 & lost 2 of those they'd be 6-4. The 2 losses they've had have been very ordinary performances against Gold Coast & Fremantle. Carlton's percentage is 114.6%.

I guess it comes down to how you rate wins as opposed to all the other factors and I acknowledge that Carlton have played and won with significant outs through injury (impacting their backline in particular). I hate the way the media are all jumping on the Carlton bandwagon without doing in-depth analysis of the cons as well as the pros.

I look at Carlton a bit like Port last year. Port won all 6 close games in 2021 so weren't a true Top 2 team IMV. Now I know there is a view that top teams win close games but there is still an element of luck. In Carlton's case it was their good defending at the death but it was also poor decisions/skill execution from their opponents. I don't think Carlton are a true Top 3 or 4 team now as their luck will run out at some stage.

[Deemania since 56 6,654]

32 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

As others have said, it was a practice match, we were missing most of our defence, didn't turn up until half time, Carlton got numerous goals from 50s because the umpires over-umpired dissent (but only against Melbourne), 2 6-6-6 violations at the end of the match. The only think you can take out of the match is that was the template for how Carlton have played all year. Teams with poor defences  don't win Premierships. Do you seriously think Carlton's midfield is better than Melbourne's? 

It's interesting that there has been a view that Melbourne has benefitted from favourable umpiring. I'll concede we got the rub of the green against North but that had no effect on the result. Let's compare that to Carlton who have been favoured all year in a way that has affected results. But that would be an anti-Carlton narrative so forget it.

It could be just be my anti-Carlton bias coming out but looking at Carlton's record they could well have been 4-6 this year as all of Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide & Sydney blew numerous opportunities to run over the top of them. Even if Carlton had won 2 & lost 2 of those they'd be 6-4. The 2 losses they've had have been very ordinary performances against Gold Coast & Fremantle. Carlton's percentage is 114.6%.

I guess it comes down to how you rate wins as opposed to all the other factors and I acknowledge that Carlton have played and won with significant outs through injury (impacting their backline in particular). I hate the way the media are all jumping on the Carlton bandwagon without doing in-depth analysis of the cons as well as the pros.

I look at Carlton a bit like Port last year. Port won all 6 close games in 2021 so weren't a true Top 2 team IMV. Now I know there is a view that top teams win close games but there is still an element of luck. In Carlton's case it was their good defending at the death but it was also poor decisions/skill execution from their opponents. I don't think Carlton are a true Top 3 or 4 team now as their luck will run out at some stage.

Carlton  did have some questionable assistance with games from the umpires; this is not to say that they do not have good personnel to manage well under such pleasant conditions. When the going gets tough, I'd expect them - as a full team with isolated talent - to fall by the wayside - and this will not be terribly far in the future.

[Lucifers Hero 39,926]

4 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I look at Carlton a bit like Port last year. Port won all 6 close games in 2021 so weren't a true Top 2 team IMV. Now I know there is a view that top teams win close games but there is still an element of luck. In Carlton's case it was their good defending at the death but it was also poor decisions/skill execution from their opponents. I don't think Carlton are a true Top 3 or 4 team now as their luck will run out at some stage.

With Freo falling away a bit I reckon spots 3-6 will be very close and Carlton will fall into that range.  But those spots won't be decided for quite a while as 46 of the top 8's remaining 96 games are where they play each other.

So lots of 8-pt games to mess with spots 3-8 on the ladder order; I have Dees and LIons locked in top 2. 

 

Laughable that commentators say we got the umpiring benefit vs North.  We got more frees because they played rough and were penalised altho not often enough for off-the-ball strikes.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[MrFreeze 1,967]

4 hours ago, Cassiew said:

I have some blues supporters friends who claim we don’t have 15 wins in a row because they beat us in a practice match. The stupidity in some people beggars belief 

ANB said this much in a recent interview, that we are only 10-0 because of the praccy match

Edited May 26, 2022 by MrFreeze

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,851]

38 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

As others have said, it was a practice match, we were missing most of our defence, didn't turn up until half time, Carlton got numerous goals from 50s because the umpires over-umpired dissent (but only against Melbourne), 2 6-6-6 violations at the end of the match. The only think you can take out of the match is that was the template for how Carlton have played all year. Teams with poor defences  don't win Premierships. Do you seriously think Carlton's midfield is better than Melbourne's? 

If it's not as good as Melbourne's, it's not that far off.

Once again, you like other posters appear to be writing them off. That's fine.

I see a team that's 8-2 and has an ability to blow away sides by half time with leads that are too hard for the opposition to come back from, as we saw with Sydney last week.

[MrFreeze 1,967]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If it's not as good as Melbourne's, it's not that far off.

Once again, you like other posters appear to be writing them off. That's fine.

I see a team that's 8-2 and has an ability to blow away sides by half time with leads that are too hard for the opposition to come back from, as we saw with Sydney last week.

and frankly we've been doing something quite similar. A big burst and then maintaining a lead to win. 

[Willmoy1947 4,098]

5 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

But the thing is Carlton haven’t lost one single game when they’ve had a big lead.

This tells me their leads have been more then enough to win the game, and they’ve got the composure and maturity to hang on, which will hold them in good stead in September.

Clearly everyone here isn’t taking them seriously, but I am.

I'm not taking too many teams seriously only after Rd 10, except us and maybe Tiges

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,851]

1 hour ago, willmoy said:

I'm not taking too many teams seriously only after Rd 10, except us and maybe Tiges

Fair enough.

Richmond shouldn't be slept on. Seemed to have got their mojo back since Dusty has returned.

[dazzledavey36 54,976]

7 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

But the thing is Carlton haven’t lost one single game when they’ve had a big lead.

This tells me their leads have been more then enough to win the game, and they’ve got the composure and maturity to hang on, which will hold them in good stead in September.

Clearly everyone here isn’t taking them seriously, but I am.

You're not on your own. 

They're massive watch for me. I still think we're better team and can get them when they fade during quarters.

Their midfield can certainly match up to ours. I thought Cripps was going to be cooked this year but he's gone to another new level. The likes of Kennedy, Cerra (still dirty we didn't gave the have trade capital last year) Walsh and Hewett has the potential to be quiet potential for the next few years. 

I like their forward line. Both Curnow and McKay are stars. Both are still only 25 and have many years left which is scary. Our current forward line of Brown and McDonald are both nearly 30 years of age and coming towards the end of their careers so it's a little concerning we have no up and coming talls coming through except Jacob Van Rooyen who is yet to be tested at AFL level.

Their defence is shaky and if they can add another gun defender alongside Weitering then they'll be set. He's the next best defender behind Steven May.

Carlton is the only club I fear come September.  Their significant bigger fan base is like a 23rd man. They'll certainly come in numbers..

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,851]

50 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Carlton is the only club I fear come September.  Their significant bigger fan base is like a 23rd man. They'll certainly come in numbers..

Exactly right.

We will lose our home ground advantage if we play Carlton as they will outnumber us 70/30 and their supporters will be incredibly hungry to see some finals. 

Richmond are another side which will outnumber us in an MCG final.

We had the crowd in all of our finals last year. Might not be the case this year.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If it's not as good as Melbourne's, it's not that far off.

Once again, you like other posters appear to be writing them off. That's fine.

I see a team that's 8-2 and has an ability to blow away sides by half time with leads that are too hard for the opposition to come back from, as we saw with Sydney last week.

I'm not writing them off. I did the ladder predictor the other day and have them finishing 3rd with a16-6 record (which is 8-4 for the rest of the season). I have a different take on them blowing big leads and hanging on, but that's fine. Lots of games to go. Let's see what happens. 

2 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

and frankly we've been doing something quite similar. A big burst and then maintaining a lead to win. 

In no way comparable. Carlton's percentage 114.6%, Melbourne's 161.7%. Melboune have not been in danger of losing in any game, whereas Carlton have fallen over the line in 4 games and lost 2 quite badly (including against the Suns who we beat). Yes, Melbourne have had a comfortable lead in a number of games at 3-quarter time and then closed down the game in the last quarter. Carlton have had massive leads (to their credit) and just hung on. I can't recall a game Melbourne has played where a side has made a massive comeback.

[Cassiew 1,903]

7 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

ANB said this much in a recent interview, that we are only 10-0 because of the praccy match

Well since that practice matches are considered training, not real matches, I’d say ANB has his facts wrong 

[DEE fence 5,019]

10 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If it's not as good as Melbourne's, it's not that far off.

Once again, you like other posters appear to be writing them off. That's fine.

I see a team that's 8-2 and has an ability to blow away sides by half time with leads that are too hard for the opposition to come back from, as we saw with Sydney last week.

Round 23, 2021 says hello!

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,398]

On 5/25/2022 at 11:16 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

This may sound silly but I hope we don't.

Its quite a 'monkey on the back'.  Would rather the said monkey was deposed before the finals.

Last year we lost a couple either side of the bye.  Maybe a couple of inconsequential losses after the bye this year...?

Part of me says if we’re going to have a loss it will be rd 13 against the Pies as we have the bye the following week, or rd 23 against the Lions at the Gabba.

But then I think back to rd 23 last year and the GF, our collective mindset and resolve continues to snowball. We’ve been tested with multiple players out for various reasons on numerous occasions so far this season. 

This group is on the verge of something special.

Dare to dream.

[Deeko2 812]

12 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If it's not as good as Melbourne's, it's not that far off.

Once again, you like other posters appear to be writing them off. That's fine.

I see a team that's 8-2 and has an ability to blow away sides by half time with leads that are too hard for the opposition to come back from, as we saw with Sydney last week.

I agree with everything you're saying BBP.  

The blues are the only team that frighten me this year.  Most other teams I believe we would have the capacity to strangle somehow and fight out a good solid win where as they have some genuine stars that you're not going to keep quiet all game.

• Curnow and McKay are the best key forward combo in the comp.  
• Cripps / Walsh are the second best midfield duo behind Trac/Oliver. 
• Weitering, Docherty and Saad defend and rebound as good as anyone

Even though we have better key defender depth, I've watched Silvagni play a defensive forward role well and have no doubt he'll tag Lever.  Still, we have a champion ruckman and play better as a team but they have serious match winners above who, when the crowd gets behind them (and sadly they will) are going to give us a serious shake if they get there tails up.

It makes me sick thinking about it - plus I could be clouded by my significant hatred of them - but of all the teams up and around us, these guys genuinely worry me. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Deeko2

[Garbo 1,539]

Not worried until they can stop teams scoring 80+ every week and get that number down into the low 60s. They are very much like the dogs last year when things are on there terms they look fantastic but soon as another team gets on top at some point they leak goals. No team can dominate for 4qtrs  and no chance they would vs us, but dees can defend for 4qtrs and still get a score.

If we have a near full strength backline when we play they will get all of 3-4 goals for there period of dominance but we will get 7-8 during ours and that will be the difference at the end of the day.

 

[Engorged Onion 10,222]

8 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

verge of something special

pfft... on the verge.😇 We ARE existing as special already my dear friend... it just gets specialer. (leave it @Demonstone)

[binman 43,081]

7 hours ago, Garbo said:

Not worried until they can stop teams scoring 80+ every week and get that number down into the low 60s. 

 

100% agree. 

Goody has been banging on about the three phases of footy (defence, transition and offence/forward) and the need for us to be in good shape across all three phases

So many pundits just focus on our defensive system and its effectiveness. And totally ignore how effective our forward line is and how damaging our scoring power is.  

Earlier in the season i heard Jake Niall question the dog's chances this season becuase they rely on their forward line and don't have a strong defence. Which is true. 

In making that case he said the template for success now is the sort of system the tigers developed and the Dees have implemented.

But in making that case he argued the dees, unlike the dogs, have an average forward line with no real stars because our focus was on recruiting star defenders like May and Lever (suggesting the dogs needed to have done the same).

And last night on 360 Nick Riewoldt argued that a 'chink' in our amour was our relative inefficiency in terms of converting inside 50s to scores, noting we were mid table.

Both arguments are nonsense.

From round 17 last season to the end of the season, inclusive of finals, we averaged something like 107 points. And in Fritter we had the player who kicked the most goals for the full season. More than Hawkins who only played one less game.

We are averaging close to 100 points a game this season, and in addition to Fritter we have Brown who has been a runner up in the Coleman twice and Kozzie who is averaging 2 goals per game across his career as a small forward.

Throw in Jackson, a resting Gawn, Tmac, Spargs and Nibbler. And Trac sometimes rest forward. By any measure that is an impressive  forward line.

On Riewoldt's point if we get more efficient we will be even more impossible to contain.

But his point ignores, unsurprisingly because he is yet another ill informed football 'analyst', the key driver of a mid table conversion of forward entries (which by the by is not that bad - and is roughly the same as last season) - which is that we are a forward half territory team who looks to overwhelm the opposition with the sheer number of inside 50 entries. And if we don't score a goal, keep it trapped in our half of the ground. Many fans find it frustrating, but our go to tactic of kicking it deep to the pockets is part of this strategy. 

Again, you only need to actually listen to Goody - he has made the point any number of times this season that we are not looking for perfection. We want the game to look like the Melbourne way, which in regard to forward entries involves prioritizing getting it in there over surgical passes. If those passes are on, sure hit them if possible. But if not just get it inside as quickly and as deep as possible and as Goody has also said a number of times let our smalls go to work.  

No other team, not even Carlton, will beat us in a shootout. And if we are anywhere near close to being on, even the best teams will struggle to score more than 75 points  against us.

Which means that to have any chance of beating us, opposition teams have to keep us to a minimum of 75 points.

Unless the blues improve their defence dramatically, which is very hard to do in season, they have pretty low chances of holding us to 75 points. In fact the only team who i think does have the defensive system to do so is Freo, which is why i rate them a bigger threat than the blues (though the problem for freo is the opposite of the blues - they struggle to score heavily). 

The other big issue for the blues is that they are not fit enough. And these days fitness is one of the biggest factor in how effective defensive systems are because of the huge amount of running involved to keep zones in shape, zoning off to impact contests and to cover outlet kicks. 

Another issue the blues face when playing us is their weapon is their forward line, and in particular their ability to take contested marks inside 50. As we have shown against Naughton and King this year, no other team is better at shutting down opposition tall forwards (we are number one for fewest opposition marks inside 50). 

Their other big weapon is their terrific midfield and how physically strong they all are. They have been smashing teams at the contest and are number one i think for score from stoppages. But at the very least we can neutralize that advantage because in Trac, Oliver, Gawn and Viney (and solid back ups in Sparrow and Harmes) we also have a beast of midfield that can match it for power and strength with any team.  

Edited May 27, 2022 by binman

[Adam The God 30,271]

On 5/24/2022 at 11:35 AM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Carlton's midfield destroyed us in the AAMI practice match at Marvel. We lost the possession count by 70, clearances by a staggering 23 despite having our entire starting midfield available and they out tackled us by 14 despite having more of the ball.

Most here will write it off as just a practice match, but it was a match nonetheless.

And a lot of people are bagging Carlton for giving up big leads. They've had big half time leads on 5 occasions (including our praccy match) which the opposition have reeled in. And guess how many times they've lost in those scenarios? Zero, which shows that they've got the maturity and game awareness to hold on when the pressure is well and truly on. A good sign for them in September IMO.

I wouldn't be sleeping on Richmond either. Particularly given they might be fielding a stronger side than they did on Anzac eve, should we meet in a final (in fairness we were also missing Viney and Lever).

Carlton and Richmond concern me more than playing Brisbane or Freo in an MCG final as they'll unfortunately have more or the crowd support at the game.

 

 

And yet we gave away x8 50m penalties. Would have won comfortably otherwise, with a makeshift backline. I think that game is being overplayed. Petty didn't play either.

[D4Life 2,476]

3 hours ago, binman said:

100% agree. 

Goody has been banging on about the three phases of footy (defence, transition and offence/forward) and the need for us to be in good shape across all three phases

So many pundits just focus on our defensive system and its effectiveness. And totally ignore how effective our forward line is and how damaging our scoring power is.  

Earlier in the season i heard Jake Niall question the dog's chances this season becuase they rely on their forward line and don't have a strong defence. Which is true. 

In making that case he said the template for success now is the sort of system the tigers developed and the Dees have implemented.

But in making that case he argued the dees, unlike the dogs, have an average forward line with no real stars because our focus was on recruiting star defenders like May and Lever (suggesting the dogs needed to have done the same).

And last night on 360 Nick Riewoldt argued that a 'chink' in our amour was our relative inefficiency in terms of converting inside 50s to scores, noting we were mid table.

Both arguments are nonsense.

From round 17 last season to the end of the season, inclusive of finals, we averaged something like 107 points. And in Fritter we had the player who kicked the most goals for the full season. More than Hawkins who only played one less game.

We are averaging close to 100 points a game this season, and in addition to Fritter we have Brown who has been a runner up in the Coleman twice and Kozzie who is averaging 2 goals per game across his career as a small forward.

Throw in Jackson, a resting Gawn, Tmac, Spargs and Nibbler. And Trac sometimes rest forward. By any measure that is an impressive  forward line.

On Riewoldt's point if we get more efficient we will be even more impossible to contain.

But his point ignores, unsurprisingly because he is yet another ill informed football 'analyst', the key driver of a mid table conversion of forward entries (which by the by is not that bad - and is roughly the same as last season) - which is that we are a forward half territory team who looks to overwhelm the opposition with the sheer number of inside 50 entries. And if we don't score a goal, keep it trapped in our half of the ground. Many fans find it frustrating, but our go to tactic of kicking it deep to the pockets is part of this strategy. 

Again, you only need to actually listen to Goody - he has made the point any number of times this season that we are not looking for perfection. We want the game to look like the Melbourne way, which in regard to forward entries involves prioritizing getting it in there over surgical passes. If those passes are on, sure hit them if possible. But if not just get it inside as quickly and as deep as possible and as Goody has also said a number of times let our smalls go to work.  

No other team, not even Carlton, will beat us in a shootout. And if we are anywhere near close to being on, even the best teams will struggle to score more than 75 points  against us.

Which means that to have any chance of beating us, opposition teams have to keep us to a minimum of 75 points.

Unless the blues improve their defence dramatically, which is very hard to do in season, they have pretty low chances of holding us to 75 points. In fact the only team who i think does have the defensive system to do so is Freo, which is why i rate them a bigger threat than the blues (though the problem for freo is the opposite of the blues - they struggle to score heavily). 

The other big issue for the blues is that they are not fit enough. And these days fitness is one of the biggest factor in how effective defensive systems are because of the huge amount of running involved to keep zones in shape, zoning off to impact contests and to cover outlet kicks. 

Another issue the blues face when playing us is their weapon is their forward line, and in particular their ability to take contested marks inside 50. As we have shown against Naughton and King this year, no other team is better at shutting down opposition tall forwards (we are number one for fewest opposition marks inside 50). 

Their other big weapon is their terrific midfield and how physically strong they all are. They have been smashing teams at the contest and are number one i think for score from stoppages. But at the very least we can neutralize that advantage because in Trac, Oliver, Gawn and Viney (and solid back ups in Sparrow and Harmes) we also have a beast of midfield that can match it for power and strength with any team.  

Your analysis of the Demons is better than 98% of the so called experts. A few obvious reasons why:

1. Intelligence to follow the original & best football team!!😃

2. Dedication to analysing the Demons, other than MFC FD you spend a lot of time on our Demons, much more than most of the experts spreading their time across 18 teams! 

3. Intellect and analytical  capabilities of the highest order! Light years beyond Brereton, King, Corne, Riewoldt  etc. Also very funny to see some of the analysts who don’t like Melbourne, still can’t admit after one of the most dominant finals & flag winner season, it’s Melbourne then a huge gap.

4. Craig Jennings last year and Buckley this year both see Demons huge advantage over other teams, starting with team defence, then actual backline, transition once again a team activity, and offense locking it in  so repeat opportunity to score while opposition stuck defending, as you mentioned above.

Thanks Binman for your time,  effort and commitment to the cause, you add enjoyment to my following of the Demons! Honourable mentions to Andy & George!!

To all those who love talking up the threats from the rest, focus on the following:

- read Binmans analysis

- rewatch last years finals and the GF

- look at the ladder

- finals is what matters (getting into ladder position 1 or 2 helps)

- remember Blues, Lions and all the other pretenders haven’t done what Melbourne did last years final series.
- Lions are a very good team as they were last year, we beat them by 33 points, 4 goals 9 points , 13 more shots, should have been 10 goals in the finals, and are still well ahead of them. In fact Hunt playing small lockdown role do well, puts them further behind.

- Blues have some star power, But are 47% behind us, it is huge. Re practice match, that was lovely for their delusional supporters, see how they go in finals. 
 

Demons have nothing to prove, we are reigning premiers, 10-0 on top of ladder, some absolute guns in our team, good depth, players commit to role and way of playing selflessly for the team, everyone else is playing catch up!

Generally on commentators, they know their audience don’t want to hear, Demons are 5 goals better than the rest, and only way we don’t win flag is a bad day in September, like Tigers in 2018 prelim, but that’s the reality!

After 50 pretty crap years, some exceptionally crap, sit back enjoy the ride, even when we only win by a couple of goals, can’t play great every week!

Go Demons, crush those Dockers, but the four points and any margin is still a great day!!

[Grapeviney 9,727]

On 5/26/2022 at 10:06 AM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

leads that are too hard for the opposition to come back from

I'd argue the contrary - the fact that a number of sides have gotten close shows the leads can be reined in. Most of those games could have gone either way. It would be a different story if teams were falling 4-5 goals short. 

Having opposition teams storming home against you every second week is no way to be winning games of football. 

Our 3-4 goals leads are infinitely safer than Carlton's 6-7 goal leads right now. 

[binman 43,081]

3 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

Our 3-4 goals leads are infinitely safer than Carlton's 6-7 goal leads right now. 

Its funny you should say that.

I watched the replay of the roos game and when they got within 6 points or so in third, i wondered to myself if there has ever been a team that can regularly have a lead whittled down from say 4-5 goals to one latish in the game, yet there still be no sense of being in trouble in terms of  losing the momentum and the match.

In 2018 i would have been having kittens if a team kicked multiple goals to pull back a decent lead.