Whilst day to day life might become easier they’d be a lot of scrutiny on his move. It might just be easier to play out his last two years at Richmond then see where he’s at after that.

I’m also not convinced the Swans would sign right up for his salary. That might require a bit of give and take from all 3 parties to make it work. 

 

17 hours ago, ding said:

I understand players wanting out of the Victorian fishbowl, i just wish they would choose a team like Gold Coast. Tthat way we can support their move but not worry about a new threat to our reign....  😄

Sydney has already had too many breaks.

 

GO THE COASTERS !!! ( as long as you stay out of the 8)

The Suns will have their time in the sun.

You throw a thousand darts at a board, eventually you'll hit a target.

Suns will eventually feature in the September sunshine.

Worth adding to the discussion how gracious Hardwick has been in his comments. It might be self-serving (ie, Hardwick knows Richmond has to re-build and that Martin leaving might help that process), but Hardwick is also correct in that Martin owes Richmond nothing and conversely, Richmond has to thank Martin for being the key to winning three premierships.

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Worth adding to the discussion how gracious Hardwick has been in his comments. It might be self-serving (ie, Hardwick knows Richmond has to re-build and that Martin leaving might help that process), but Hardwick is also correct in that Martin owes Richmond nothing and conversely, Richmond has to thank Martin for being the key to winning three premierships.

And I think he is correct his trade value will never be high. 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

And I think he is correct his trade value will never be high. 

Interesting thought OD... I think they'll do okay pick wise but of course it could just be a salary dump which allows the Tiges to target a young star

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting thought OD... I think they'll do okay pick wise but of course it could just be a salary dump which allows the Tiges to target a young star

I would be surprised if either GWS or Syd pick up a $1.0m+ tab and give Rich some high draft picks.  Suspect it will be one or the other or watering down of both.

Hardwick is so transparent.  I don't doubt his sincerity in supporting Dusty's move but it is a clear ploy to max a trade.  .

8 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Hardwick is so transparent.  I don't doubt his sincerity in supporting Dusty's move but it is a clear ploy to max a trade.  .

How cynical but it's hard to argue otherwise.

I see it also as softening up the fan base for what would have been a controversial departure.

Playing it smart.. exactly the opposite to Essendon and Daniher

38 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I would be surprised if either GWS or Syd pick up a $1.0m+ tab and give Rich some high draft picks.  Suspect it will be one or the other or watering down of both.

Hardwick is so transparent.  I don't doubt his sincerity in supporting Dusty's move but it is a clear ploy to max a trade.  .

He is just saying what every other coach would think and keep it to themselves. Sydney did the Big deal with buddy that most people thought was ridiculous me included , while it has not netted them a flag they have not slid down the ladder as a result. Buddy’s deal finishes this year so they can use some of  that on dusty. Whoever Dusty maybe prepared to accept a bit less than he gets at Richmond if he wants out of Melbourne badly. 

On 5/17/2022 at 10:31 PM, DubDee said:

Collecting medals doesn’t equate to greatness. Carey or Buddy have never won a Brownlow so what does that say? 

Martin will go down as one of the most influential finals players ever. But over a career there are many ahead of him. Finals are important but not everything

If you don't make the finals your season is a bust. Finals are everything and he has been a big game player for a long time. 

Martin is no doubt the GOAT for big game matches.

But GOAT of all time? Please. Surely Ablett Jnr would get a look in with 2x premierships, 2x Brownlow, 3x AFL Coaches Association player of the year, 5x AFL Players Association player of the year,  8x All Australian, 4x club leading goal kicker^, 6x club B&F*, 357 games… and carried a whole team on his back for 6 years!

^1x Geelong 3x GCS, *2x Geelong 4x GCS

 

If Swans back ended Dusty’s contract, could definitely see them in premiership contention with Buddy, Dusty and Heeney up forward and their pretty strong midfield. 

Meanwhile, with the oldest average age list in the AFL (27.1?) we wouldn’t be hearing from Richmond for a while.

6 hours ago, 4_Kent_Watts said:

If you don't make the finals your season is a bust. Finals are everything and he has been a big game player for a long time. 

Of course. Completely agree

1 hour ago, TheWiz said:

GOAT of all time?

All hail the Greatest Of All Time of all time!  

no one seems to know where the suggestion that martin might go to sydney comes from

strange times

2 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Martin is no doubt the GOAT for big game matches.

But GOAT of all time? Please. Surely Ablett Jnr would get a look in with 2x premierships, 2x Brownlow, 3x AFL Coaches Association player of the year, 5x AFL Players Association player of the year,  8x All Australian, 4x club leading goal kicker^, 6x club B&F*, 357 games… and carried a whole team on his back for 6 years!

^1x Geelong 3x GCS, *2x Geelong 4x GCS

 

Not even the best in his own family. 

(Seriously, Ablett Jr was magnificent, but his father was better. Odder, but better.)

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

no one seems to know where the suggestion that martin might go to sydney comes from

strange times

Wasn't it Hardwick who put it out there a few days ago that Dusty might want to live in Sydney but didn't say which team.

At 30+ years he is too young for the Cats.

He was ok living in Melb for 10+ years but now the Tigers are facing a re build he wants to go.  

Perhaps he is just trying to do the right thing by his club.

Sydney are a club that simply has to have a marque player and rather than develop their own (Heeney is pretty close imo)  they insist of that player coming in from outside 

Plugger
Buddy
potentially Martin 

There is a definite trend here 

2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

All hail the Greatest Of All Time of all time!  

Only works if we are literally discussing Goats!  

No doubt Dusty is one of the best big game players I've seen.  At the same time, I think the Richmond game plan has allowed him to do this - he's allowed to roam forward without needing to worry about a man or team defence etc as his teammates have learnt to cover for him.  Will be interesting to see whether a Sydney based team would be able to do the same.

On 5/17/2022 at 10:05 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I haven't seen a better player in 50 years.

Well, the VFA was formed in 1877, the VFL in 1897, even assuming the potential best players have come from those comps plus the AFL, that's 145 years, so I don't know how anyone can say Dusty is the GOAT. Very difficult to comparre players from different eras and I'm not 150 years old.

23 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Finals are the only thing. Dusty right in the mix as best ever

I'm happy to agree that Finals performances are important but surely not the only thing!

23 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Consistency! He barely played a bad game for 5 years, dominated in big games and was the main reason a club won 3 Premierships. Take him ahead of all those you mentioned

I assume because you're on this site you're a Melbourne fan. Very impressed you wastched 120 Richmond games over 5 years so you can say with authority that be barely played a bad game.

22 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Whilst day to day life might become easier they’d be a lot of scrutiny on his move. It might just be easier to play out his last two years at Richmond then see where he’s at after that.

I’m also not convinced the Swans would sign right up for his salary. That might require a bit of give and take from all 3 parties to make it work. 

 

I agree. The Swans I assume are going to have one first round draft pick this year (around 13 or 14) so don't know how they're going to do a trade. Richmond would want players as well. Sydney have some great young players but IMO would be mad to give up too much for Dusty given he turns 32 June next year. Having said that, Sydney are at least in the Premiership window whereas GWS are a couple of years further away at best.

The other thing of course is that Martin will be a marquee player at Sydney or GWS. He's not going to be able to get away with doing no media in Sydney as he does in Melbourne.

21 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Worth adding to the discussion how gracious Hardwick has been in his comments. It might be self-serving (ie, Hardwick knows Richmond has to re-build and that Martin leaving might help that process), but Hardwick is also correct in that Martin owes Richmond nothing and conversely, Richmond has to thank Martin for being the key to winning three premierships.

Hardwick has been gracious in his comments but there's no might about them being self-serving. Dusty has made it clear he wants to move to Sydney and if he's on $1.4m a year as  reported (or close to that), then his departure would be a boon for Richmond (assuming a Premiership in 2023 or 2024 is unlikely should he stay). That's a lot of money freed up for future top-liners plus expected trades for players/draft. The best way of maximising your return is by being upfront you're prepared to trade. The alternative is he stays at Richmond where he would prefer not to be. Rest assured, Richmond aren't going to be a pushover when in comes to actual trade negotiations.

13 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Hardwick has been gracious in his comments but there's no might about them being self-serving. Dusty has made it clear he wants to move to Sydney and if he's on $1.4m a year as  reported (or close to that), then his departure would be a boon for Richmond (assuming a Premiership in 2023 or 2024 is unlikely should he stay). That's a lot of money freed up for future top-liners plus expected trades for players/draft. The best way of maximising your return is by being upfront you're prepared to trade. The alternative is he stays at Richmond where he would prefer not to be. Rest assured, Richmond aren't going to be a pushover when in comes to actual trade negotiations.

Has he? At least, has he made clear he wants to play for a Sydney-based team? 

9 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Has he? At least, has he made clear he wants to play for a Sydney-based team? 

Well, I'm assuming Hardwick hasn't just come out and made his statement because there's nothing to the rumours. And I guess it's hard to play for a team based somewhere else and live in Sydney. Maybe Dusty could just retire from the AFL and move to Sydney (he probably doesn't need the money).

1 hour ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Well, I'm assuming Hardwick hasn't just come out and made his statement because there's nothing to the rumours. And I guess it's hard to play for a team based somewhere else and live in Sydney. Maybe Dusty could just retire from the AFL and move to Sydney (he probably doesn't need the money).

I assume he's made plenty of money as a footballer, but would it be enough to live off from hereon? He's unlikely to have significant earnings capability once he's retired. He almost certainly won't work in the media or go on the public speaking circuit (although he'll receive plenty of offers) and I'm not sure he has the personality to be or any interest in coaching. 

8 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I assume he's made plenty of money as a footballer, but would it be enough to live off from hereon? He's unlikely to have significant earnings capability once he's retired. He almost certainly won't work in the media or go on the public speaking circuit (although he'll receive plenty of offers) and I'm not sure he has the personality to be or any interest in coaching. 

There is something wrong with me LDV. On first read, I thought your first sentence said “… but would it be enough to live off from heroin?”, and I was going to agree with you!
Then I reread the sentence.