TEAMS: Rd 06 vs Richmond

[drysdale demon 4,217]

3 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Is Jackson in doubt?

Heard secondhand that Stevo reported rumours...

Trained tuesday and thursday.

[The Swimming Dee 1,862]

3 hours ago, bing181 said:

Don't think it will. Suspect that Tom is now out for the long haul, he's going to have to find consistent form again, not just show up for one or two Casey matches.

Could be wrong.

I agree Bing. Think it might be Weids spot on lose now

[daisycutter 28,687]

1 hour ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I agree Bing. Think it might be Weids spot on lose now

like it or not i reckon weid will get the next 2 or 3 games

of course if tmac kicks 10 in the magoos that might change

[Binmans PA 26,493]

17 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

I’ve always seen Dunstan  as inside. Think he’s as good as we’ve got to try and replace Viney. 

Yep, the better comparison to Dunstan is if Harmes could get a game as a pure mid. Both capable clearance players, but unreliable by foot. Dunstan is probably a slightly better player at stoppages, but Harmes is the better runner.

[Binmans PA 26,493]

14 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Against Sydney last year? 

Nope. They played together against Carlton, but McDonald also played.

[Winners at last 4,849]

I think that Tmac is better than Weid, but he is clearly in decline.

Weid has potential upside. Which is presumably why he will be preferred to Tmac moving forward. 

As for the other 'ins' this round, Smith is clearly Goody's love child.

And Dunstan is an obvious inclusion. No point in having recruited him if he was wasn't selected in this situation (Viney out).

Edited April 23, 2022 by Winners at last

[Kent 2,626]

6 hours ago, A F said:

Yep, the better comparison to Dunstan is if Harmes could get a game as a pure mid. Both capable clearance players, but unreliable by foot. Dunstan is probably a slightly better player at stoppages, but Harmes is the better runner.

Watch Dunsatns career highlights

shows him kicking goals not getting clearances!

[loges 6,243]

15 hours ago, bing181 said:

Don't think it will. Suspect that Tom is now out for the long haul, he's going to have to find consistent form again, not just show up for one or two Casey matches.

Could be wrong.

Is not that the same requirement of Weid that he shows some consistent form?

[Nasher 33,166]

8 hours ago, A F said:

Nope. They played together against Carlton, but McDonald also played.

While technically true, I’d say that game doesn’t count. Brown was hardly going at that stage, and was actually dropped after it.

[leave it to deever 16,186]

On 4/23/2022 at 9:15 AM, Dido said:

I for one am happy with Weeds pick over Tom Mc. He is taller, younger and finally getting close to the bulk and strength of Tommy. He is part of our new generation.

Hes 25 in a few months.

Everyone hopes he will do well but at this stage, I think time is against him.

He simply must fire tonight and continue to do so. 

[binman 39,083]

54 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Hes 25 in a few months.

Everyone hopes he will do well but at this stage, I think time is against him.

He simply must fire tonight and continue to do so. 

Goody, in my opinion, has always been an underrated coach -  even by dees fans.

That of course changed with a premiership, but I still think he has skills that get overlooked.

We all know the players love him, but I don't think he gets the credit he deserves for his emotional intelligence  and how this informs how he helps individual players to improve.

Some players would respond to being fired up, and no doubt Goody would pull that rein when needed.

But Weed seems to be the sort of person who puts heaps of pressure on himself, so doesn't need more.

He plays his best footy when he is relaxed. And I suspect his least best when he is on edge.

Goody will be telling weed the exact opposite of fire up or else, because it won't get the best out of him. 

He'll be saying just do what you did last week - compete, second efforts and gut run. Don't worry about anything else. The goals and marks will take care of themselves.

Edited April 24, 2022 by binman

[Demon17 4,638]

1 hour ago, loges said:

Is not that the same requirement of Weid that he shows some consistent form?

And if he starts flying and spoiling BBB tonight then its over for me with thim.

I hope Goody sorts this out because this is a problem with Weids as I see it.

And keep out of baileys patterns also.

[Demon17 4,638]

7 minutes ago, binman said:

He plays his best footy when he is relaxed. And I suspect his least best when he is on edge.

Goody will be telling weed the exact opposite of fire up or else, because it won't get the best out of him. 

He'll be saying just do what you did last week - compete, second efforts and gut run. Don't worry about anything else. The goals and marks will take care of themselves.

But will he or should he even?.  Don't tell me Steven May plays relaxed.  He's on edge all game. best Full back in Australia.

You make some good points but if Weid needs to relax to play well then he's in the wrong sport.

Tonight will see him right for the next 6-8 games, or IMO marked never to be slected again.

[binman 39,083]

24 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

And if he starts flying and spoiling BBB tonight then its over for me with thim.

I hope Goody sorts this out because this is a problem with Weids as I see it.

And keep out of baileys patterns also.

The talls under a clear instruction to go up as one in aerial contests up forward - it an important element of our system.

It makes perfect sense.

Multiple bigs going for the same mark is the key reason why we concede the fewest intercept marks inside our 50 of any team in the AFL. When we don't mark it it comes to ground in a predictable spot and fashion and we either crumb it and score or create a stoppage.

And the congestion makes it very hard for opposition teams to move it out of our 50 - if we spread more, as say the dogs do, and is the traditional model,  there is more space at around the contest and it is easier for the opposition defenders to win ground balls and get it out of their back half - as the dogs have discovered when we play them. 

But we also clunk more contested marks inside 50 than any team over the last season and a bit, so the system works in this regard too. 

So be prepared to get frustrated.

 

[binman 39,083]

33 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

But will he or should he even?.  Don't tell me Steven May plays relaxed.  He's on edge all game. best Full back in Australia.

You make some good points but if Weid needs to relax to play well then he's in the wrong sport.

Tonight will see him right for the next 6-8 games, or IMO marked never to be slected again.

Robbie Flower played chilled. Seemed to work for him ok.

Same goes for Fritter and Langdon. 

Different strokes for different folks. 

[Macca 16,173]

T-Mac might only be out of the team for a week or 2 if Weideman doesn't fire ... remembering that this is Sam's 4th game in a row tonight

Played very well against Essendon, was quiet against Port (on a night, not ideal for key forwards) and only reasonable last week

Is reasonable again enough? Maybe, but the expectations are higher

Of course, T-Mac needs to fire in the 2nds anyway in order to put pressure on Sam so it's an interesting scenario.  Playing today on a small ground like Punt Rd oval is a test for any key forward.  Not a lot of space to run into (or available space)

The MC would be happy with the duel though. Much like they'd be happy with Smith & Tomlinson putting pressure on as well as Dunstan, Chandler & Bedford being thereabouts as well for midfield/small forward roles

And that's with Salem, Hibberd, Lever, Viney all being unavailable! 

The MC have got their ideal set-up with regards to selection.  Injuries are annoying to our better players but that is offset somewhat by the ability of the players replacing those injured players

And ordinarily, a team is nearly always going to get a few injuries (as well as factoring in covid protocols)

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by Macca

[Jaded No More 59,133]

Tmac has not been in great form for a while. Why does Weideman need to fire up to keep someone who is in poor form out of the team? 

All I want from Weideman is a consistent attack on the footy and solid work rate. He doesn’t have to do much to replicate the output we got from Tmac this season. He just needs to work hard without the footy and take his chances with the footy. If he kicks 1-2 goals and is able to neutralize contests, bring ball to ground and follow up his work by continuing to present up the ground, he has done his role. 

We are not a team that depends on one or two players to have superstar games every week. If he plays his role he will keep his spot, just as everyone else has (and why I find it hilarious that some keep saying we need to drop Spargo or Pickett or JJ if they don’t have a statistically stellar game).

[IRW 1,272]

19 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Quite sure he will.

Well ,when Weideman is finishing up (at whichever club it is) I wonder if he will have had  almost AA full back year,( half year pre injury) a  50 goals with very few behinds tall forward year... to go with strong stand in the middle of the pack ,genuinely clunking, marks and elite running efforts and competent forward line pre Gawn rucking skills.

Injuries and the burden of a mostly crepe team has been Tom's game...apparently Weideman's only failing is above his shoulders and not being gifted enough games.

Anyway Goody was correct about Spargo and I was mistaken,so it's possible but not certain that he will get Weideman out of his current depth/ "potential " ranking.

The one thing that is " certain" is that Tom won't have said pre season that he was ready and determined to step up and be the main goal kicker like Weideman did about 3 years ago.!

Still waiting mate.

Tom has been a soldier rather than a marginal list clogger

Edited April 24, 2022 by IRW

[whatwhat say what 19,708]

i personally would've gone with tommy mac over weed simply cos i 'trust' him more, but if you look at the numbers, they're remarkably similar except for contested marks (where weed is averaging 2 a game, and plugger under 1), weed is taking double the i50 marks, weed is nearly 1 more i50 entry per game higher, but his 1%ers are way down compared to tom - which is probably why i favoured him as his 'effort' seems much higher

i dunno...like always since late 2020 i'm basically backing on the coaching dept to have pulled the right rein

[titan_uranus 22,774]

When was the last time TMac was dropped in his career?

Who knows, maybe it is the wake up call he needs and may spark something in him.

[Demonstone 19,692]

The "changes" thread becomes redundant once the teams are announced and is duly locked.

What do other posters think of the idea that this "teams" thread should be combined with the match day thread instead of having both running and often discussing the same issues?

[drysdale demon 4,217]

50 minutes ago, IRW said:

Well ,when Weideman is finishing up (at whichever club it is) I wonder if he will have had  almost AA full back year,( half year pre injury) a  50 goals with very few behinds tall forward year... to go with strong stand in the middle of the pack ,genuinely clunking, marks and elite running efforts and competent forward line pre Gawn rucking skills.

Injuries and the burden of a mostly crepe team has been Tom's game...apparently Weideman's only failing is above his shoulders and not being gifted enough games.

Anyway Goody was correct about Spargo and I was mistaken,so it's possible but not certain that he will get Weideman out of his current depth/ "potential " ranking.

The one thing that is " certain" is that Tom won't have said pre season that he was ready and determined to step up and be the main goal kicker like Weideman did about 3 years ago.!

Still waiting mate.

Tom has been a soldier rather than a marginal list clogger

My point is that Goodwin would have a far better idea than you.

[IRW 1,272]

45 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

My point is that Goodwin would have a far better idea than you.

Fair enough..so perhaps the mods should now just ban opinions( with or without reasons) henceforth. 

Did you hear the story about me sitting on the balcony with a mate at a Dee's vs North match many many seasons ago?

Barry Cable coaching North from the box which  in those days was open and just a" lean across "from our seats.

Half time ..Brian Wilson is cutting up North playing on the wing and my mate says " they should put Glendenning( I think it was) on Wilson"...so I say.."the coach is just there why don't you tell him" and so Benny did....

" What did he say?

" nothing,didn't even look "

A few minutes later....runner comes out and moves Gelendenning onto Wilson who hardly gets another kick..North come back and win!!

Game over..Benny leans across as coach descends..

" good move with Glenndenning"

" what did he say?"

" nothing ,completely ignored me"

Benny dined out on that story whenever I was there to verify it

On Ology GSmith could remember the game and the 2nd half North comeback.

 

I am confident Goodwin in general knows far  better than me, but you haven't yet given one reason why he does on this occasion  and further to that you might have noted that I at least suggested the possibility that the coaching group may well be correct.

Anything else I can clarify for you.

I actuly used to think Weideman could be an asset myself 

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by IRW

[drysdale demon 4,217]

43 minutes ago, IRW said:

I am confident Goodwin in general knows far  better than me, but you haven't yet given one reason why he does on this occasion  and further to that you might have noted that I at least suggested the possibility that the coaching group may well be correct.

Knowledge and experience for starters.

[John Crow Batty 8,306]

Tmac well down on career averages. 11 disposal a game this season to career average of near 16. He used to once average over 20 for a long  time. And only four goals so far. Contested marks down as well. Needs a reset.

Edited April 24, 2022 by John Crow Batty