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17 hours ago, DubDee said:

The Weed kicked more goals last week In a tight game than T Mac has kicked in all 4 games. T Mac is in poor form and should be dropped. Weed didn’t play well last night but can impact games more as we saw last week

I'd love Weid to have a longer go at it but your point about last week highlights my view.  Weid does it rarely at top level and can't be relied upon yet, if ever. One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Maybe this next block of 3 or 4 games can be his last chance to grab a position. But I don't think it will happen with BBB and Fritsch the go-to's .

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    14 hours ago, Big Col said:

    I'm in the Weed camp on this. Although I also share everyone's frustration at the lack of follow up to last week's game, I don't think it helps to have Weed constantly worried that one bad game gets him dropped.

    While Macca played a (slightly) better game on Thursday night, Weeds game last week was far better than anything Macca has done this year so far. I want to see how he combines with BBB. 

     

    I don’t judge him poorly on his performance, I judge him on his effort, and the spots he gets to (or doesn’t get to), and the ball watching he does around contests that makes him irrelevant for the next contest.

    This is not performance, it is knowing your role and executing what you have to do for your team.

    Brown got smashed for it last year and dropped until he realised what he needed to do. 

    Looks like Sam will never realise.

    Onto Jacob van Rooyen…

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    2 hours ago, Demon17 said:

    I'd love Weid to have a longer go at it but your point about last week highlights my view.  Weid does it rarely at top level and can't be relied upon yet, if ever. One swallow doesn't make a summer.

    Maybe this next block of 3 or 4 games can be his last chance to grab a position. But I don't think it will happen with BBB and Fritsch the go-to's .

    I hear you but he has done it once out of two games this season. Hardly rarely. and Thursday was a tough night for the talls


    He is 24 now. Bigger body, let’s judge him on this season. He hasn’t play regular footy for a while and the lack of vfl hasn’t helped

    needs to lift his intensity from Thursday too but that is coachable 

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    13 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    I hear you but he has done it once out of two games this season. Hardly rarely. and Thursday was a tough night for the talls


    He is 24 now. Bigger body, let’s judge him on this season. He hasn’t play regular footy for a while and the lack of vfl hasn’t helped

    needs to lift his intensity from Thursday too but that is coachable 

    That's a significant concern for me then.

    6 years in the system at 24 years of age and he still needs coaching in intensity?

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    Smith is not coming in for Tomlinson. We have played two gorillas at the back for the last 7,000 weeks in a row.

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    22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    That's a significant concern for me then.

    6 years in the system at 24 years of age and he still needs coaching in intensity?

    Like rpfc mentioned above, it was the same for Brown last year. I back Weed to come good. If he gets confident feels part of the 22 I reckon it could all come together 

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    It is harsh on Smith if he potentially would not have been dropped for Lever but now had covid issues and can’t get back in. Great competition for spots. I would pick the best back 7 and not be worried to make changes after a win

    19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    That's a significant concern for me then.

    6 years in the system at 24 years of age and he still needs coaching in intensity?

    That's my biggest knock on weed in a nutshell.

    Second efforts are seemingly not instinctive for sam, which is a big worry.

    I wonder if as a junior he played most of his footy as a lead up, true full forward who was a cut above and took plenty of marks out on a lead. 

    So perhaps never really had much need for second efforts?

    Like all dees fans, I hope he makes it.

    And it is hard not think (hope?) tbat somehow the penny will drop one day as his weaknesses are more seemingly psychological in nature.

    But as you say he us a fair way into his career to still have to get his head in the game and play with elite intensity 100% of rhe time.

    He has signed a new contract, so there is no real downside for us to give him time at Casey and the ones when needed.

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    5 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    Like rpfc mentioned above, it was the same for Brown last year. I back Weed to come good. If he gets confident feels part of the 22 I reckon it could all come together 

    Brown's issue wasn't intensity. It was fitness.

    He was dropped to get fit, did a preseason like block of about six weeks of high intensity training.

    Lost weight, got much fitter  and came back into the side - as was always going to happen.

    Has maintained that fitness level and is 100% best 22 lock.

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    49 minutes ago, rpfc said:

    Onto Jacob van Rooyen…

    A couple more good games at Casey, unless Tommy/Weid turns his form around I would think it's all there for JVR.

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    i think one of the things that gets forgotten about weed is that he'd barely played and trained in the lead up to his draft, but the glimpses he'd shown at aps school football in particular were genuinely full of potential

    i would estimate he's probably not played 100 fully competitive games by dint of injury, including afl, vfl, and u/18s or school football, whereas some of his contemporaries were probably drafted with around that many underage, school, and / or vfl football games worth of experience

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    17 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    Like rpfc mentioned above, it was the same for Brown last year. I back Weed to come good. If he gets confident feels part of the 22 I reckon it could all come together 

    I don't think intensity was the issue for Brown. His was more that he was really behind the 8 ball in terms of fitness and conditioning.

    Let's not forget we're talking about a well established senior player in Brown who's kicked over 60 goals a year 3 years in a row at AFL level, compared to a guy who's battled at VFL level for 6 years running due to lack of intensity and form. 

    Brown knows what the requirement of AFL intensity is and his record speaks for itself. Weideman is still lacking in that department.

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    22 minutes ago, binman said:

    That's my biggest knock on weed in a nutshell.

    Second efforts are seemingly not instinctive for sam, which is a big worry.

    I wonder if as a junior he played most of his footy as a lead up, true full forward who was a cut above and took plenty of marks out on a lead. 

    So perhaps never really had much need for second efforts?

    Like all dees fans, I hope he makes it.

    And it is hard not think (hope?) tbat somehow the penny will drop one day as his weaknesses are more seemingly psychological in nature.

    But as you say he us a fair way into his career to still have to get his head in the game and play with elite intensity 100% of rhe time.

    He has signed a new contract, so there is no real downside for us to give him time at Casey and the ones when needed.

    The other issue was Weideman had a pretty injury interrupted junior career as well so whether he got the required off field coaching and education as well then who knows.

    Unfortunately you're right about his psychological nature. It was pretty evident last year and it brought back memories of Jimmy Toumpas in tears when he was subbed out for a game against Brisbane.

    Knew then that he wouldn't survive at AFL level after seeing that.

    I think Weideman may be heading down that same road as well.

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    2 hours ago, binman said:

    Brown's issue wasn't intensity. It was fitness.

    He was dropped to get fit, did a preseason like block of about six weeks of high intensity training.

    Lost weight, got much fitter  and came back into the side - as was always going to happen.

    Has maintained that fitness level and is 100% best 22 lock.

    Agreed. Brown was trying his guts out in his early games last year but just wasn't fit enough to compete.

    He still isn't exactly dominant when the ball hits the deck but his repeat leading and pack crashing late last year and in his two games this year have been much better.

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    42 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    Agreed. Brown was trying his guts out in his early games last year but just wasn't fit enough to compete.

    He still isn't exactly dominant when the ball hits the deck but his repeat leading and pack crashing late last year and in his two games this year have been much better.

    If BBB doesn’t mark, he typically makes sure his opponent doesn’t and brings it to the ground.

    He is also covering a lot of ground.

    Weideman needs to lift his overall competitiveness so that he stays in the game. I wouldn’t mind seeing him have a crack at CHF for a few weeks.

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     Its really a coin toss be Tmac and Sw.

    And how many games does the winner get with no real change?

     

    5 hours ago, DubDee said:

    Like rpfc mentioned above, it was the same for Brown last year. I back Weed to come good. If he gets confident feels part of the 22 I reckon it could all come together 

    BBB had a record of success to point to

    A couple of marks in a final 4 years ago is not much for Weid to pump himself up like he did pre season pre Covid pre signing renewal

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    33 minutes ago, IRW said:

    BBB had a record of success to point to

    A couple of marks in a final 4 years ago is not much for Weid to pump himself up like he did pre season pre Covid pre signing renewal

    Yea it could just be sadly Tmac or Weid are not the option this year. Hope I'm wrong.

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    16 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

    Yea it could just be sadly Tmac or Weid are not the option this year. Hope I'm wrong.

    One of them has to keep the seat warm for Van Rooyan....  Neither of them are exciting me though. 

    If Tom could run like he used to and didn't give away mindless 50 metres ..  or If Weid could hold a contested mark..

    First world problems at this end of the season really

     

     

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    On 4/8/2022 at 12:36 PM, JimmyGadson said:

    Weed deserves a go with Brown now imo. I don't know why you wouldn't give it a shot given T - Mac is just so inconsistent in his form. 

    I'd give him a block of games whilst we have the luxury of being 4-0 and with T - Mac out of form. 

    It can only be a good thing. Force T Mac to get back into some form and give Weed the opportunity to play every game as if it's his last. 

    Brown for McDonald.

    Do it. 

    Brown in for EITHER! I dont care, either way I am a HUGE BBB FAN!

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    17 hours ago, D4Life said:

    If BBB doesn’t mark, he typically makes sure his opponent doesn’t and brings it to the ground.

    He is also covering a lot of ground.

    Weideman needs to lift his overall competitiveness so that he stays in the game. I wouldn’t mind seeing him have a crack at CHF for a few weeks.

    Spot on

    23 hours ago, rpfc said:

    I don’t judge him poorly on his performance, I judge him on his effort, and the spots he gets to (or doesn’t get to), and the ball watching he does around contests that makes him irrelevant for the next contest.

    This is not performance, it is knowing your role and executing what you have to do for your team.

    Brown got smashed for it last year and dropped until he realised what he needed to do. 

    Looks like Sam will never realise.

    Onto Jacob van Rooyen…

    Sadly I agree rpfc. Brown has the runs on the board over many years. When Brown plays he takes one of the best defenders. No so with Sam a second stringer who plays him close is all that is needed. JVR is where the future may lie. 

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    Ahh the good old changes thread, where so many call for unforced changes that will never happen if you know our coach.

    it’ll be weed for BB my guess, nothing more barring incident 

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    Assuming BBB is in then I'm for Tom although it still could go either way I guess. But the thing is that I see Weid and MFC like I see  Ronnie Wood and The Rolling Stones!...  Weid and Ron are good  and both have certain skills to bring.

    For mine Ron was a fill in session muso when Keef was unreliable and Mick Taylor didn't fit. Now he's a "Stone" albeit creepy weird and a  shizen artist.

    Weid is a fill in forward whose quirks are he that doesn't contest on the ground and flies beautifully on a lead then drops the mark! He can pinch hit in the ruck as well.

    Any  band Ronnie plays with is lesser for it but we forget Taylor and Brian Jones and accept them as picked.

    If Weid becomes a "Dee" we will forget how that forward line could look if LJ or even Watts had found their place in the 22.

    It's not as if Weid hasn't been in the rehearsal room for long enough now to show his chops  , but at least he's not creepy weird.

    Tom stays for the time being anyway,though he looks a little personally uncomfortable at times.

     

     

     

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    9 minutes ago, Smokey said:

    Ahh the good old changes thread, where so many call for unforced changes that will never happen if you know our coach.

    it’ll be weed for BB my guess, nothing more barring incident 

    According to Buddhism, everything in human life, all objects, as well as all beings whether in heavenly or hellish or earthly realms in Buddhist cosmology, is always changing, inconstant, undergoes rebirth and redeath (Samsara). 

    Goody is not a Buddhist.

     

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