2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

If anybody think Gus is leaving because he wants to play midfield is kidding themselves.   The only reason he leaves is for $$$$$

This is just completely untrue. Especially with Luke Jackson probably leaving we will likely match any offer that comes for him. This is about role, and I see brayshaws point. I think if he leaves he will be an elite mid at another club 

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If what the offer is believed to be offered to Jackson then I have no idea how they fit Brayshaw in. It's obvious that Brayshaw after a pay rise.

I personally don't think we'll match the offer BTW. We're not known to play hard ball with deals and I think we prefer just to get deals done and move onto the next.

I can’t see any way we wouldn’t match the offer dazzle. The compensation pick would very likely be around pick 20. Matching and forcing a trade would be the only way to get a reasonable return. Granted if he nominates Fremantle it’ll be incredibly challenging for them to satisfy a trade for both Jackson and brayshaw without giving up their young core 

Every time I get pessimistic about Jackson and Brayshaw leaving, I always remember we've signed Petracca and Oliver for a decade and I instantly feel better.

4 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I can’t see any way we wouldn’t match the offer dazzle. The compensation pick would very likely be around pick 20. Matching and forcing a trade would be the only way to get a reasonable return. Granted if he nominates Fremantle it’ll be incredibly challenging for them to satisfy a trade for both Jackson and brayshaw without giving up their young core 

The only way I can see us not matching is if the price tag is so outside of what we would want to pay him that if a trade falls through we would be stuck with a contract for Brayshaw that upsets our pay structure. Also, we might just say - “you want to go? Ok, thanks for your service - see you at the reunion.”

4 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I can’t see any way we wouldn’t match the offer dazzle. The compensation pick would very likely be around pick 20. Matching and forcing a trade would be the only way to get a reasonable return. Granted if he nominates Fremantle it’ll be incredibly challenging for them to satisfy a trade for both Jackson and brayshaw without giving up their young core 

On top of trying to deal a separate and more complex deal in Jackson, I just think the club will mutually accept the compensation pick and move on quickly to get this Jackson deal. 

History will tell you that clubs rarely match bids on free agents that leave.

16 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I can’t see any way we wouldn’t match the offer dazzle. The compensation pick would very likely be around pick 20. Matching and forcing a trade would be the only way to get a reasonable return. Granted if he nominates Fremantle it’ll be incredibly challenging for them to satisfy a trade for both Jackson and brayshaw without giving up their young core 

If we win the premiership it will be pick 19 assuming the AFL deem the comp pick to be a first round pick.

Whatever pick we get will drop 2-3 spots after a North pp and F/S pick(s). 

What pick do you think we get for Gus in a trade, freo aside? 

6 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

If we win the premiership it will be pick 19 assuming the AFL deem the comp pick to be a first round pick.

Whatever pick we get will drop 2-3 spots after a North pp and F/S pick(s). 

What pick do you think we get for Gus in a trade, freo aside? 

I actually think his trade value is equivalent to the compensation pick. However, If we are in the market for a FA, then we'd lose that compensation pick.

Gus is doing what he is well entitled to do and taking his time on the biggest contract of his career/life. Just like Viney and others he is taking time to think everything through and even considering if a move would be good for him.

He will stay, he is playing the best footy of his career. He loves Goody and all his best mates, premiership mates are here

No chance he will leave 

I'd much rather be playing with Sparrow and Viney than against them

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I actually think his trade value is equivalent to the compensation pick. However, If we are in the market for a FA, then we'd lose that compensation pick.

I doubt we’d be in the market for a FA. The free agency market tends to get overvalued. We can’t really afford to pay overs. 

14 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I actually think his trade value is equivalent to the compensation pick. However, If we are in the market for a FA, then we'd lose that compensation pick.

I agree about Gus' trade value which is why I think we would not match. 

Yes, we would lose a comp pick for an inbound FA but are there any we would be looking at/want?  De Goey aside?  Mc Stay looks bound for Coll.

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25 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

If we win the premiership it will be pick 19 assuming the AFL deem the comp pick to be a first round pick.

Whatever pick we get will drop 2-3 spots after a North pp and F/S pick(s). 

What pick do you think we get for Gus in a trade, freo aside? 

Gus is in his prime at 26 years old. He's shown he can be a great mid (2018), good wingman (2021), and All Australian level halfback (2022). His versatility and leadership make him a valuable commodity.

I'd rate him around the pick 10-12 mark. That's better than what we'd get as compo, but not drastically so. I don't believe Gus will leave, but if he does then end of first round compo is likely what we'd settle for. I'm someone that believes picks are overrated though and would rather a proven good player than speculative great one, so in my eyes we lose either way if Gus leaves.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Even Purple is getting in on the act..

He's just another of the haters not wanting us to go full dynasty.

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

I'd rate him around the pick 10-12 mark. That's better than what we'd get as compo, but not drastically so. I don't believe Gus will leave, but if he does then end of round compo is likely what we'd settle for. I'm someone that believes picks are overrated though and would rather a proven good player than speculative great one, so in my eyes we lose either way if Gus leaves.

I'm of the same thinking, in that we may take the afl comp pick, less than he is worth, to get another deal we want done over the line or get it done early.

We took less than we wanted for Watts but got the pick for Fritsch.  Ditto we converted Hogan for May.  Effectively Brown for Preuss etc.

Above all we are pragmatic when it comes to trades rather try and extract max value on each trade.

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Quiet perplexing really.

I was extremely confident last week that Gus was going to play as a midfielder in the place of Oliver when Dunstan was named. Knew that wasn't the case 5 minutes into the game.

Unfortunate Goody isn't someone willing to throw the magnets around and that's been evident when we've had the losses. Moments where I thought we could have mixed things up in the midfield by getting Gus in there when we've been smashed in clearances, but nope we stick with the same predictable set up which includes throwing Sparrow in there (who's been bloody average this year).

 

Yup. Predictably is good but when a key cog isn’t working you love other cogs around.

37 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

If we win the premiership it will be pick 19 assuming the AFL deem the comp pick to be a first round pick.

Whatever pick we get will drop 2-3 spots after a North pp and F/S pick(s). 

What pick do you think we get for Gus in a trade, freo aside? 
 

 

I think you could get a stronger first round selection than 20 odd. I agree with dazzle this isn’t done but I think we are in the window and letting an all Australian calibre player walk out of the club for less than he’s worth would be regrettable. 
 

his value is arguably closer to a top 10 pick and just because clubs don’t match typically doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. Unless the offer is enormous, I’d match and put it back on the team to get a deal done. 

Brayshaw is a restricted free agent, Why cant we be the first team to use the rule and match any offer he gets and he has to stay with us. What's even the point of restricted free agency? 

13 minutes ago, Petracca said:

Brayshaw is a restricted free agent, Why cant we be the first team to use the rule and match any offer he gets and he has to stay with us. What's even the point of restricted free agency? 

We wouldn't be the first team. GWS matched Geelong's offer for Cameron, and a trade was negotiated. If we match any Gus offer, then Gus is still out of contract, and has the right to seek a trade. The system is ridiculous in that way.

12 minutes ago, mo64 said:

We wouldn't be the first team. GWS matched Geelong's offer for Cameron, and a trade was negotiated. If we match any Gus offer, then Gus is still out of contract, and has the right to seek a trade. The system is ridiculous in that way.

It’s not ridiculous. The NBA calls this a ‘sign and trade’ and they have are very mature when it comes to movement of players.

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

It’s not ridiculous. The NBA calls this a ‘sign and trade’ and they have are very mature when it comes to movement of players.

The NBA is far from mature when it comes to player movements. The star players and the big franchises have too much power. Look at the Kevin Durant situation.

7 minutes ago, mo64 said:

The NBA is far from mature when it comes to player movements. The star players and the big franchises have too much power. Look at the Kevin Durant situation.

Of course they are but the specific allowance for ‘sign and trades’ are good for smaller clubs to get *something* for this player that is leaving. 

1 hour ago, Dwight Schrute said:

This is just completely untrue. Especially with Luke Jackson probably leaving we will likely match any offer that comes for him. This is about role, and I see brayshaws point. I think if he leaves he will be an elite mid at another club 

Completely untrue. 
 

I have been told that until Jackson makes a decision than they have no more money to up their offer to Gus.  Don’t forget Gus is on an incredibly high contract that he signed in the year he came 3rd in the Brownlow.

46 minutes ago, Petracca said:

Brayshaw is a restricted free agent, Why cant we be the first team to use the rule and match any offer he gets and he has to stay with us. What's even the point of restricted free agency? 

Because our cap won’t allow us to match the offer 

2 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Completely untrue. 
 

I have been told that until Jackson makes a decision than they have no more money to up their offer to Gus.  Don’t forget Gus is on an incredibly high contract that he signed in the year he came 3rd in the Brownlow.

It would be handy if LJ can hurry up and make a call then.

We all know you're heading home mate, just confirm it with everyone and move on.

Gus is such an important signing IMO.

9 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Don’t forget Gus is on an incredibly high contract that he signed in the year he came 3rd in the Brownlow.

He signed that deal in July, well before his (very unexpected) 3rd placing in the Brownlow (and in the same year he was dropped for the first few games).

He's on the record as saying he 'wished' he earned close to the 600k per year that was rumoured in the media.

I don't agree his current contract would be "incredibly high".

Edited July 22, 20222 yr by Lord Nev