2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

You’re a strange cat ‘Daz’. My beef’s not with you but with the so-called experts who did a strange 360 degree turn in a matter of a week.

Knightmare on 25 April, 2021 (the day after the game):-

“The team got pumped by 100+ points. I wouldn't read too much into anyone's performances. No one starred, and I can count on one hand those who I'd consider to have rising stocks as a result of the game.”

A week later, Andrew has come from nowhere to be in the top 15 in Knightmare’s power rankings. I think I was entitled to think that to be most unusual. 

As for Howes and JVR, I agree that both had quiet days but who wouldn’t given they were played in the forward line for the entire match in a team that lost by 130 points? According to my notes, JVR presented well and had a few good moments. Not longer after the game he was diagnosed as having glandular fever. Despite that I declared on Demonland nearly three months before the draft that I preferred him to Andrew. And you have a problem with that?

Lol..

You got sucked in by Knightmare like most have over the journey. That plonker lost all credibility when he he stated that Collingwood had a better draft haul then Melbourne in the 2019 draft period and said that Melbourne taking Jackson at 3 was a complete mistake. 

You also were pretty vocal leading into the draft in saying that Mac Andrew would not go inside the top the 10. You went quiet that night..

Whilst I stated that I personally didn't rate him even a top 15 prospect there was enough noise coming from actual draft experts like Cal Twomey that he was going to be a top 10 draftee regardless of of what people think.

Clubs like Richmond, GWS, GC and St Kilda were heavily linked to him leading into the draft. Maybe their full time recruiters have no idea either?

I couldn't give a [censored] Mac just fyi and was not fazed one bit we missed out. Means we were able to address a bigger need in bringing in a developing key forward.

Just thinks it's laughable you're still finding ways to continually knock the kid.

 

On 5/20/2022 at 8:45 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol..

You got sucked in by Knightmare like most have over the journey. That plonker lost all credibility when he he stated that Collingwood had a better draft haul then Melbourne in the 2019 draft period and said that Melbourne taking Jackson at 3 was a complete mistake. 

You also were pretty vocal leading into the draft in saying that Mac Andrew would not go inside the top the 10. You went quiet that night..

Whilst I stated that I personally didn't rate him even a top 15 prospect there was enough noise coming from actual draft experts like Cal Twomey that he was going to be a top 10 draftee regardless of of what people think.

Clubs like Richmond, GWS, GC and St Kilda were heavily linked to him leading into the draft. Maybe their full time recruiters have no idea either?

I couldn't give a [censored] Mac just fyi and was not fazed one bit we missed out. Means we were able to address a bigger need in bringing in a developing key forward.

Just thinks it's laughable you're still finding ways to continually knock the kid.

 

You have poor comprehension skills. There’s a difference between asking questions about a player and “knocking” him. We seem to both agree that Knightmare and one or two others are “plonkers” and neither of us rated him top 15. That’s great because one club took him at #5 and while it might not have been a wasted selection, other clubs reaped the benefit. As it turns out, I believe we’re one of those clubs. 

Wardlaw, Ashcroft shine as No.1 pick contenders show their wares

 

 

On 5/20/2022 at 2:58 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

 I might have a look at him tomorrow at the AFL site’s live stream of Footscray VFL vs Gold Coast game. Cheerio!

I did have a bit of a look. It was an interesting game. The Suns have a lot of talent running around in the twos. Andrew was OK but didn't entertain the idea of getting out of a trot the whole game. Still rake thin. Of the other players, the ruckman, Moyle looked good as did Hollands, Sharp and a host of others. I'd happily take a handful of reserves players off their hands. Curiously, Footscray's Darcy, lined up as a key defender.

Ed Pascoe covers the draft on line for a couple of sites. Here’s his current top 20 

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

Ed Pascoe covers the draft on line for a couple of sites. Here’s his current top 20 

Some great names here …especially Steely Green. I love it. But no “Jack”s. 🤦🏻‍♂️

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

Ed Pascoe covers the draft on line for a couple of sites. Here’s his current top 20 

Wardlaw seems to have earned the No.1 ....a little under sized for the big league?

Don't mind Harry Lemmey's highlights but of course you need to see alot more than a highlights reel.  Appears to have some decent decision making/ finishing skills at an early stage and might be still growing!  Not that we have a chance with any of the top 20 guys of course.

Edited May 22, 20223 yr by Demon Dynasty

19 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

I did have a bit of a look. It was an interesting game. The Suns have a lot of talent running around in the twos. Andrew was OK but didn't entertain the idea of getting out of a trot the whole game. Still rake thin. Of the other players, the ruckman, Moyle looked good as did Hollands, Sharp and a host of others. I'd happily take a handful of reserves players off their hands. Curiously, Footscray's Darcy, lined up as a key defender.

I’m looking forward to seeing Mac Andrew play for the GC reserves when they take on Casey in about a month’s time. Based on his statistics, he’s had only a couple of games where you could say he was anywhere near among the best players in the team. He’s being played as a tall, key defender and not in the ruck. However, given that he’s been recruited by the Suns as a long term prospect, that won’t concern them very much at this stage of the journey. 

On 5/22/2022 at 5:03 PM, Demonland said:

Ed Pascoe covers the draft on line for a couple of sites. Here’s his current top 20 

obviously the country and metro Vs are clear to me and everyone recognises the black swan of WA and the tri colour of SA but the star there on anthony munkara has thrown me, particularly as a member of essendons academy... a NT prospect? and would he be vying for the highest selection of a NT prospect/who is in history? buckley?

How every Australian Academy player who took part in the game fared vs Collingwood VFL ~

Scouting Notes: 2022 AFL Academy vs. Collingwood VFL

On 5/23/2022 at 7:58 AM, KC from Casey said:

I’m looking forward to seeing Mac Andrew play for the GC reserves when they take on Casey in about a month’s time. Based on his statistics, he’s had only a couple of games where you could say he was anywhere near among the best players in the team. He’s being played as a tall, key defender and not in the ruck. However, given that he’s been recruited by the Suns as a long term prospect, that won’t concern them very much at this stage of the journey. 

KC, I noticed that Jack Bell has nominated for the MSD. I hope nobody takes him because I think he's got great potential, and would love to see us pick him up with a late pick in the ND, or as a rookie. He might go unnoticed because he's playing 2nd ruck to Daw.

 

 

Edited May 25, 20223 yr by mo64

I agree - he would be an excellent choice to put some development into.

Bigfooty’s Davo-27 has updated his top 50 Rankings following the Academy game -

1. George Wardlaw - Oak - 182cm

2. Will Ashcroft - Sand - 180cm (Brisbane F/S?)

3. Jhye Clark - Geel - 180cm

4. Elijah Tsatas - Oak - 188cm

5. Elijah Hewett - Swan Dist - 186cm

6. Adam D'Aloia - WWT - 181cm

7. Jedd Busslinger - East Perth - 197cm

8. Anthony Munkara - West Adel - 190cm (Essendon NGA?)

9. Tom Scully - West Adel - 204cm

10. Oliver Hollands - Murr - 183cm

11. Mitch Szybkowski - Dand - 186cm

12. Harry Sheezel - Sand - 184cm

13. Harry Lemmey - West Adel - 199cm

14. Luke Teal - Oak - 191cm

15. Olivier Northam - Geel - 195cm

16. Aaron Cadman - GWV - 194cm

17. Jackson Broadbent - Peel - 201cm

18. Kobe Ryan - West Adel - 183cm

19. Lachlan Cowan - Tas - 188cm

20. Brayden George - Murr - 185cm

21. Isaac Keeler - Nth Adel - 197cm (Adelaide NGA?)

22. Henry Hustwaite - Dand - 194cm

23. Max Clohesy - Murr - 179cm

24. Bailey Humphrey - Gipps - 184cm

25. Jed Hagan - East Frem - 175cm

26. Seth Campbell - Tas - 182cm

27. Matthew Jefferson - Oak - 195cm

28. Kane Bevan - West Perth - 192cm

29. Taj Campbell-Farrell - Dand - 185cm

30. Jaspa Fletcher - Bris A - 184cm (Brisbane F/S +A)

31. Ted Clohesy - Geel - 182cm (Geelong NGA?)

32. Charlie Clarke - Sand - 182cm

33. Josh Weddle - Oak - 192cm

34. Max Michaelanny - Norw - 190cm (Adelaide F/S?)

35. Lewis Hayes - East - 197cm

36. Al Davey Jnr - Oak - 181cm (Essendon F/S)

37. Jaxon Binns - Dand - 182cm

38. Jonti Schuback - Gipps - 183cm

39. Rye Penny - Cald - 185cm

40. Luke Lawrence - GWS A - 183cm (GWS A)

41. James Van Es - GWV - 196cm

42. Cam MacKenzie - Sand - 187cm (St Kilda NGA?)

43. Blake Drury - Oak - 178cm

44. Will Dowling - Nth Adel - 187cm

45. Mattaes Phillipou - WWT - 188cm

46. Luke Michael - West Perth - 186cm

47. Cooper Harvey - North - 180cm (North Melbourne F/S)

48. Harry Barnett - West Adel - 202cm

49. Nick Madden - GWS A - 204cm (GWS A)

50. Steely Green - Sth Frem - 178cm

The question marks? In the case of father/sons, these won’t be confirmed until closer to the national draft. In the case of clubs outside the four “northern states”, they can not match bids for these players within the first 40 selections in the national draft.

4 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Bigfooty’s Davo-27 has updated his top 50 Rankings following the Academy game -

1. George Wardlaw - Oak - 182cm

2. Will Ashcroft - Sand - 180cm (Brisbane F/S?)

3. Jhye Clark - Geel - 180cm

4. Elijah Tsatas - Oak - 188cm

5. Elijah Hewett - Swan Dist - 186cm

6. Adam D'Aloia - WWT - 181cm

7. Jedd Busslinger - East Perth - 197cm

8. Anthony Munkara - West Adel - 190cm (Essendon NGA?)

9. Tom Scully - West Adel - 204cm

10. Oliver Hollands - Murr - 183cm

11. Mitch Szybkowski - Dand - 186cm

12. Harry Sheezel - Sand - 184cm

13. Harry Lemmey - West Adel - 199cm

14. Luke Teal - Oak - 191cm

15. Olivier Northam - Geel - 195cm

16. Aaron Cadman - GWV - 194cm

17. Jackson Broadbent - Peel - 201cm

18. Kobe Ryan - West Adel - 183cm

19. Lachlan Cowan - Tas - 188cm

20. Brayden George - Murr - 185cm

21. Isaac Keeler - Nth Adel - 197cm (Adelaide NGA?)

22. Henry Hustwaite - Dand - 194cm

23. Max Clohesy - Murr - 179cm

24. Bailey Humphrey - Gipps - 184cm

25. Jed Hagan - East Frem - 175cm

26. Seth Campbell - Tas - 182cm

27. Matthew Jefferson - Oak - 195cm

28. Kane Bevan - West Perth - 192cm

29. Taj Campbell-Farrell - Dand - 185cm

30. Jaspa Fletcher - Bris A - 184cm (Brisbane F/S +A)

31. Ted Clohesy - Geel - 182cm (Geelong NGA?)

32. Charlie Clarke - Sand - 182cm

33. Josh Weddle - Oak - 192cm

34. Max Michaelanny - Norw - 190cm (Adelaide F/S?)

35. Lewis Hayes - East - 197cm

36. Al Davey Jnr - Oak - 181cm (Essendon F/S)

37. Jaxon Binns - Dand - 182cm

38. Jonti Schuback - Gipps - 183cm

39. Rye Penny - Cald - 185cm

40. Luke Lawrence - GWS A - 183cm (GWS A)

41. James Van Es - GWV - 196cm

42. Cam MacKenzie - Sand - 187cm (St Kilda NGA?)

43. Blake Drury - Oak - 178cm

44. Will Dowling - Nth Adel - 187cm

45. Mattaes Phillipou - WWT - 188cm

46. Luke Michael - West Perth - 186cm

47. Cooper Harvey - North - 180cm (North Melbourne F/S)

48. Harry Barnett - West Adel - 202cm

49. Nick Madden - GWS A - 204cm (GWS A)

50. Steely Green - Sth Frem - 178cm

The question marks? In the case of father/sons, these won’t be confirmed until closer to the national draft. In the case of clubs outside the four “northern states”, they can not match bids for these players within the first 40 selections in the national draft.

Eagles would do very well if they trade their #1 or #2 pick for two top 10 picks and upgrade some later picks for a late 1st round pick and aim for some combo of  Hewett, Gilbey, Busslinger and Broadbent all from WA. 

That will get their rebuild off to a decent start and save them the trouble and trade cost of trading WA talent back from interstate at a later date.

iirc most of their 2021 draft choices were from WA.

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Eagles would do very well if they trade their #1 or #2 pick for two top 10 picks and upgrade some later picks for a late 1st round pick and aim for some combo of  Hewett, Gilbey, Busslinger and Broadbent all from WA. 

That will get their rebuild off to a decent start and save them the trouble and trade cost of trading WA talent back from interstate at a later date.

iirc most of their 2021 draft choices were from WA.

Given their dearth of young talent this would be a smart move.

Taj Campbell-Farrell.  He’s one to watch out for. Stingrays boy. From Rye on the peninsula.  

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Taj Campbell-Farrell.  He’s one to watch out for. Stingrays boy. From Rye on the peninsula.  

I will be surprised (and bordering on another word that starts with s and ends in peechless) if he gets drafted.  In fact, I actually think he isn't a good player at all, basically, man against boys inside giver who is probably too slow and the Stingrays would be better off without him.  That's how much I don't like his game.  His game at Morwell was borderline awful, turning it over by hand repeatedly in traffic, lazy tracking back, dropping marks in open space et cetera, falling into packs, clogging the game et cetera. Most of his tackles are dropping on the top of a player at ground level and most of his touches are little gives that don't amount to much. His stoppage pressure factor is almost non-existent.  The last game he played at NAB level he did some shocking things.   Other than having reasonably quick hands inside at times, and neat by foot at times,  I've not seen anything of AFL standard from him, apart from pretty stats and I think he got mentioned in a team of the week somewhere because he got 36 possessions.

At the risk of you calling me a troglodyte again and for some reason not getting banned, it would really help coverage of junior football on this site if you wouldnt just drop names out of thin air without watching them and if that's not the case, rewatch some of the Stingrays games and then put some actualy reasoning why you rate them, because it's bizarre, though not surprising, that if your covering so much football his is the name you pluck out.  But I think I've worked out what's happening.  I think maybe you think he will be a forward.

 

 

5 hours ago, IvanBartul13 said:

I will be surprised (and bordering on another word that starts with s and ends in peechless) if he gets drafted.  In fact, I actually think he isn't a good player at all, basically, man against boys inside giver who is probably too slow and the Stingrays would be better off without him.  That's how much I don't like his game.  His game at Morwell was borderline awful, turning it over by hand repeatedly in traffic, lazy tracking back, dropping marks in open space et cetera, falling into packs, clogging the game et cetera. Most of his tackles are dropping on the top of a player at ground level and most of his touches are little gives that don't amount to much. His stoppage pressure factor is almost non-existent.  The last game he played at NAB level he did some shocking things.   Other than having reasonably quick hands inside at times, and neat by foot at times,  I've not seen anything of AFL standard from him, apart from pretty stats and I think he got mentioned in a team of the week somewhere because he got 36 possessions.

At the risk of you calling me a troglodyte again and for some reason not getting banned, it would really help coverage of junior football on this site if you wouldnt just drop names out of thin air without watching them and if that's not the case, rewatch some of the Stingrays games and then put some actualy reasoning why you rate them, because it's bizarre, though not surprising, that if your covering so much football his is the name you pluck out.  But I think I've worked out what's happening.  I think maybe you think he will be a forward.

 

 

So that’s a no from you?

10 hours ago, IvanBartul13 said:

I will be surprised (and bordering on another word that starts with s and ends in peechless) if he gets drafted.  In fact, I actually think he isn't a good player at all, basically, man against boys inside giver who is probably too slow and the Stingrays would be better off without him.  That's how much I don't like his game.  His game at Morwell was borderline awful, turning it over by hand repeatedly in traffic, lazy tracking back, dropping marks in open space et cetera, falling into packs, clogging the game et cetera. Most of his tackles are dropping on the top of a player at ground level and most of his touches are little gives that don't amount to much. His stoppage pressure factor is almost non-existent.  The last game he played at NAB level he did some shocking things.   Other than having reasonably quick hands inside at times, and neat by foot at times,  I've not seen anything of AFL standard from him, apart from pretty stats and I think he got mentioned in a team of the week somewhere because he got 36 possessions.

At the risk of you calling me a troglodyte again and for some reason not getting banned, it would really help coverage of junior football on this site if you wouldnt just drop names out of thin air without watching them and if that's not the case, rewatch some of the Stingrays games and then put some actualy reasoning why you rate them, because it's bizarre, though not surprising, that if your covering so much football his is the name you pluck out.  But I think I've worked out what's happening.  I think maybe you think he will be a forward.

 

 

[censored] bro he's just a kid, brutal assessment and ya wonder why they grow up to have mental health issues

well the good/bad news is Finn Emile-Brennan wasnt mentioned. so either he's an NGA who will slip through past 40 to us, or he's actually not as good as some say

10 hours ago, IvanBartul13 said:

I will be surprised (and bordering on another word that starts with s and ends in peechless) if he gets drafted.  In fact, I actually think he isn't a good player at all, basically, man against boys inside giver who is probably too slow and the Stingrays would be better off without him.  That's how much I don't like his game.  His game at Morwell was borderline awful, turning it over by hand repeatedly in traffic, lazy tracking back, dropping marks in open space et cetera, falling into packs, clogging the game et cetera. Most of his tackles are dropping on the top of a player at ground level and most of his touches are little gives that don't amount to much. His stoppage pressure factor is almost non-existent.  The last game he played at NAB level he did some shocking things.   Other than having reasonably quick hands inside at times, and neat by foot at times,  I've not seen anything of AFL standard from him, apart from pretty stats and I think he got mentioned in a team of the week somewhere because he got 36 possessions.

At the risk of you calling me a troglodyte again and for some reason not getting banned, it would really help coverage of junior football on this site if you wouldnt just drop names out of thin air without watching them and if that's not the case, rewatch some of the Stingrays games and then put some actualy reasoning why you rate them, because it's bizarre, though not surprising, that if your covering so much football his is the name you pluck out.  But I think I've worked out what's happening.  I think maybe you think he will be a forward.

 

 

Hope u find peace bro 🙌

56 minutes ago, Turner said:

[censored] bro he's just a kid, brutal assessment and ya wonder why they grow up to have mental health issues

Well, that's not a bad point but i call it as I see it and it would be how some recruiters see it, but mods feel free to delete my post. But Turner just remember, it is also dangerous to unnaturally give someone false hope.

Unfortunately, not quite father/son material but Zac Clarke is a player to keep an eye on. His father Daniel was a beanpole ruckman drafted by Melbourne in the early 90s but he never got to play a game. 

On 5/27/2022 at 7:51 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

Bigfooty’s Davo-27 has updated his top 50 Rankings following the Academy game -

1. George Wardlaw - Oak - 182cm

2. Will Ashcroft - Sand - 180cm (Brisbane F/S?)

3. Jhye Clark - Geel - 180cm

4. Elijah Tsatas - Oak - 188cm

5. Elijah Hewett - Swan Dist - 186cm

6. Adam D'Aloia - WWT - 181cm

7. Jedd Busslinger - East Perth - 197cm

8. Anthony Munkara - West Adel - 190cm (Essendon NGA?)

9. Tom Scully - West Adel - 204cm

10. Oliver Hollands - Murr - 183cm

11. Mitch Szybkowski - Dand - 186cm

12. Harry Sheezel - Sand - 184cm

13. Harry Lemmey - West Adel - 199cm

14. Luke Teal - Oak - 191cm

15. Olivier Northam - Geel - 195cm

16. Aaron Cadman - GWV - 194cm

17. Jackson Broadbent - Peel - 201cm

18. Kobe Ryan - West Adel - 183cm

19. Lachlan Cowan - Tas - 188cm

20. Brayden George - Murr - 185cm

21. Isaac Keeler - Nth Adel - 197cm (Adelaide NGA?)

22. Henry Hustwaite - Dand - 194cm

23. Max Clohesy - Murr - 179cm

24. Bailey Humphrey - Gipps - 184cm

25. Jed Hagan - East Frem - 175cm

26. Seth Campbell - Tas - 182cm

27. Matthew Jefferson - Oak - 195cm

28. Kane Bevan - West Perth - 192cm

29. Taj Campbell-Farrell - Dand - 185cm

30. Jaspa Fletcher - Bris A - 184cm (Brisbane F/S +A)

31. Ted Clohesy - Geel - 182cm (Geelong NGA?)

32. Charlie Clarke - Sand - 182cm

33. Josh Weddle - Oak - 192cm

34. Max Michaelanny - Norw - 190cm (Adelaide F/S?)

35. Lewis Hayes - East - 197cm

36. Al Davey Jnr - Oak - 181cm (Essendon F/S)

37. Jaxon Binns - Dand - 182cm

38. Jonti Schuback - Gipps - 183cm

39. Rye Penny - Cald - 185cm

40. Luke Lawrence - GWS A - 183cm (GWS A)

41. James Van Es - GWV - 196cm

42. Cam MacKenzie - Sand - 187cm (St Kilda NGA?)

43. Blake Drury - Oak - 178cm

44. Will Dowling - Nth Adel - 187cm

45. Mattaes Phillipou - WWT - 188cm

46. Luke Michael - West Perth - 186cm

47. Cooper Harvey - North - 180cm (North Melbourne F/S)

48. Harry Barnett - West Adel - 202cm

49. Nick Madden - GWS A - 204cm (GWS A)

50. Steely Green - Sth Frem - 178cm

The question marks? In the case of father/sons, these won’t be confirmed until closer to the national draft. In the case of clubs outside the four “northern states”, they can not match bids for these players within the first 40 selections in the national draft.

38. Jonti Schuback. 
 

I’ve never seen this guy play. But he is the son of the best player I’ve played against. His old man was an absolute dominant junior. Would’ve went well if drafted by a Vic club. Good luck to Jonti. 

There’s a NAB League game currently in progress between Dandenong Stingrays and GWV Rebels with the Rays leading by 25 points. Our NGA prospect Finn Emile-Brennan has continued to impress at Dandenong and is looking more and more like a top 40 prospect which unfortunately will probably rule him out of our grasp. 

There’s an interesting player with Dandenong who is going to have to make a big decision very soon as to whether to go with an AFL or a cricket career. There are big wraps on him in both sports but I suspect that he might chose cricket in which case a baggy green cap somewhere down the line is definitely on the cards. His name is Harry DeMattia - he’s bottom age and he kicked two goals on NAB League debut last week.