" If a player is bid on after pick 56, then the nominating club need only use its last pick in the draft to list the player."

Its likely that we will only have to use our pick 80ish to pick up Kynan.

On 7/17/2023 at 6:35 PM, Sydney_Demon said:

I noted Kynan Brown was listed amongst Vic Metro's best for all 4 of their games but there's not a lot of press about him. Melbourne currently has picks 4, 15, 23, 34, 89. Hopefully that becomes 4, 18, 23, 37 & 92. What's the latest thought about where he's likely to go at the Draft?

 

Lets hope it stays that and we jag him late on.

3 hours ago, manny100 said:

" If a player is bid on after pick 56, then the nominating club need only use its last pick in the draft to list the player."

Its likely that we will only have to use our pick 80ish to pick up Kynan.

Let's hope some b**stard other club doesn't select him at 56 to thwart us! It's estimated he'll go somewhere between 45 & 60 and a pick below 73 isn't worth any points so we'd have to go into deficit to get him.

On 7/19/2023 at 11:30 AM, Sydney_Demon said:

Yes, but for Woewodin we didn't have to match a bid from another Club, so we could take him with any late round pick. My understanding was that the Club said to Taj that if he was a higher-round selection by another Club they wouldn't match it but would select him in the main draft if he was still available for Melbourne's last round pick. They coud have taken him as a rookie but there's financial & other implications of doing it via the main rather than rookie draft.
 
The question is if another Club selects Kynan at say from 45 to 60 is the 5th round pick of any use in matching that bid because there are no points attached to it (or do we just throw it away or try to trade it)? Or do we need to trade up or down to get a pick around 50 to get enough points after the 20% discount to match the bid. Are you saying the latter? Or do we go into points deficit for 2024?

I would think that maybe there will be some points coming back through late round draft picks/ compensation for Jordan, Tomlinson, Harmes trades or others we don't know about yet, anyone of those will give us points for a young Doggy Brown. I know Jordan is a UFA, but three clubs are pursuing him and will want to trade prior to the draft/pre season draft etc.

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2 minutes ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

I would think that maybe there will be some points coming back through late round draft picks/ compensation for Jordan, Tomlinson, Harmes trades or others we don't know about yet, anyone of those will give us points for a young Doggy Brown. I know Jordan is a UFA, but three clubs are pursuing him and will want to trade prior to the pre season draft etc.

I agree with you re late round drafts picks & compensation. In any case the Club might be of the view that he's not worth more than Pick 57 (even discounted by 20%) so won't try to match with points if he goes above that.

I think your last point is incorrect. Clubs don't need to trade for JJ as he's a UFA. He just walks. Maybe he could be traded if the other club has an unwanted lower round pick they aren't going to use, but in all likelihood wouldn't it be better for the other club to hold on to their picks and just let the AFL compenation pick work it's magic? Jayden Hunt was a UFA last year and wasn't traded to West Coast. Instead we got a compensation pick (52).        

12 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Let's hope some b**stard other club doesn't select him at 56 to thwart us! It's estimated he'll go somewhere between 45 & 60 and a pick below 73 isn't worth any points so we'd have to go into deficit to get him.

Thwart us how? I reckon there's a very slim chance we'd be targeting another player with our next pick after 56. How many times has JT done that? Worst case we have to use it and can't trade it into 2024 4th round and the bid rules may even allow that. I'll sleep soundly.

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3 minutes ago, old55 said:

Thwart us how? I reckon there's a very slim chance we'd be targeting another player with our next pick after 56. How many times has JT done that? Worst case we have to use it and can't trade it into 2024 4th round and the bid rules may even allow that. I'll sleep soundly.

Did you read earlier posts? Pick 56 and above we apparently have to match the bid using ponts and our 5th round pick has no points attached to it. 57 and below we can use our last pick in the draft to get him without worrying about poinrs (so our current 89 would be fine). I guess if we are worried he's going to go earlier we do a pick swap to move up from 89.

On 7/8/2023 at 12:19 PM, adonski said:

 

At 0:21 I was triggered horribly. Can't even remember exactly what game it was, but Doggy Brown was just about our only player actually trying to take the game on and turn things our way. Unfortunately with so little support or options to feed off to, he kept getting cornered or run down.

I remember one instance he was actually shepherded/coralled by accident by a flat-footed Daniel Ward and as he lost momentum got absolutely slammed from the blind side. That's what the 0:21 footage brought back - at least this time it wasn't a teammate in the way!

Overall, really interesting video. Some moments of really good vision and some moments of zero vision or thought at all. Lots of running to get the handball receive from a mark, but also some good aggression and tenacity when hunting. Has a bit of speed and chooses to use it.

On that package, I wouldn't expect him to instantly break into AFL level but he could develop into a very handy player with some non-boring attributes!

13 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Did you read earlier posts? Pick 56 and above we apparently have to match the bid using ponts and our 5th round pick has no points attached to it. 57 and below we can use our last pick in the draft to get him without worrying about poinrs (so our current 89 would be fine). I guess if we are worried he's going to go earlier we do a pick swap to move up from 89.

As you have pointed out, we're going to have picks ahead of 89 from some combination of Jordon, Harmes, Tomlinson and Laurie leaving. Picks with points attached.  And as you intimate, there's 2024 picks available for trade too. There'll be heaps of flexibility if there's a bid at 56.

The bigger concern than having suitable picks for Kynan, is the number of available list spots. Perhaps Jordon, Harmes and Tomlinson leave, but the club is just as likely to recontract Hibberd and Melksham, and then we're back where we started.

2 hours ago, poita said:

The bigger concern than having suitable picks for Kynan, is the number of available list spots. Perhaps Jordon, Harmes and Tomlinson leave, but the club is just as likely to recontract Hibberd and Melksham, and then we're back where we started.

If those three leave then there are three available spots - we're not "back where we started" even if we do recontract Hibberd and Melksham because they're already on the list.  Dunstan is out of contract and likely to be delisted too, Laurie is reported to possibly be on the move.  We'll have enough spots.

23 hours ago, Demonstone said:

I always imagined Kynan's name would be pronounced as written ("Ki-nan") but I heard him called "Keenan" somewhere just recently.  Can anybody confirm the correct way to say it?

pup

38 minutes ago, old55 said:

If those three leave then there are three available spots - we're not "back where we started" even if we do recontract Hibberd and Melksham because they're already on the list.  Dunstan is out of contract and likely to be delisted too, Laurie is reported to possibly be on the move.  We'll have enough spots.

You’ve heard Laurie is on the move?

3 minutes ago, Lewis said:

You’ve heard Laurie is on the move?

There was a post from @Billy claiming a source. It wouldn't be a surprise given his lack of opportunity.

FATHER-SON BOOSTS HIS STANDING - Chris Cavanagh

Melbourne father-son prospect Kynan Brown boosted his standing in this year’s draft pool with some strong performances for Vic Metro across the under-18 national championships.

The Oakleigh Chargers co-captain played predominantly through the midfield and averaged 22.8 disposals, 4.5 clearances, 4.8 tackles and 6.5 score involvements from his four matches.

“He was really consistent and I think his contest work really stood up through each of the games,” Vic Metro coach Rob Harding said of Brown.

“Even when we were challenged by some of the stronger midfields in the nationals, he stood up really well through those games.

“Melbourne has been working with him over the past couple of years and they would have been really excited by what they saw over the past few weeks.”

Brown – who is the son of former Melbourne defender Nathan Brown – has also spent time across half-forward with the Chargers in the Coates Talent League this year.

Along with his strong contest work, the left-footer also brings quick hands, sharp vision and strong creativity in his game.

 

On 7/21/2023 at 6:52 AM, Wilson7 said:

FATHER-SON BOOSTS HIS STANDING - Chris Cavanagh

Melbourne father-son prospect Kynan Brown boosted his standing in this year’s draft pool with some strong performances for Vic Metro across the under-18 national championships.

The Oakleigh Chargers co-captain played predominantly through the midfield and averaged 22.8 disposals, 4.5 clearances, 4.8 tackles and 6.5 score involvements from his four matches.

“He was really consistent and I think his contest work really stood up through each of the games,” Vic Metro coach Rob Harding said of Brown.

“Even when we were challenged by some of the stronger midfields in the nationals, he stood up really well through those games.

“Melbourne has been working with him over the past couple of years and they would have been really excited by what they saw over the past few weeks.”

Brown – who is the son of former Melbourne defender Nathan Brown – has also spent time across half-forward with the Chargers in the Coates Talent League this year.

Along with his strong contest work, the left-footer also brings quick hands, sharp vision and strong creativity in his game.

If I'm any judge Rob Harding is @Hards who used to post here before he joined the AFL working community.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

He's kicking was much improved in this game. Strikes me as someone that works hard at his footy. Surely we'll pick him up late or as a rookie.

On 7/21/2023 at 6:52 AM, Wilson7 said:

FATHER-SON BOOSTS HIS STANDING - Chris Cavanagh

Melbourne father-son prospect Kynan Brown boosted his standing in this year’s draft pool with some strong performances for Vic Metro across the under-18 national championships.

The Oakleigh Chargers co-captain played predominantly through the midfield and averaged 22.8 disposals, 4.5 clearances, 4.8 tackles and 6.5 score involvements from his four matches.

“He was really consistent and I think his contest work really stood up through each of the games,” Vic Metro coach Rob Harding said of Brown.

“Even when we were challenged by some of the stronger midfields in the nationals, he stood up really well through those games.

“Melbourne has been working with him over the past couple of years and they would have been really excited by what they saw over the past few weeks.”

Brown – who is the son of former Melbourne defender Nathan Brown – has also spent time across half-forward with the Chargers in the Coates Talent League this year.

Along with his strong contest work, the left-footer also brings quick hands, sharp vision and strong creativity in his game.

Short legs, low centre of gravity - that's not necessarily a bad trait.

he looks good!

He needs lots of work in the weights room to be an AFL player.

On 7/19/2023 at 5:47 PM, Demonstone said:

I always imagined Kynan's name would be pronounced as written ("Ki-nan") but I heard him called "Keenan" somewhere just recently.  Can anybody confirm the correct way to say it?

Kynan it is, then!  Ki - nan.

3 hours ago, old55 said:

Short legs, low centre of gravity - that's not necessarily a bad trait.

Definitely not a bad thing. He will feel right at home playing with Oli Sestan too. Neither Brett Lovett or Allan Jakovich had a high jumpers body but they went ok 

18 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

Definitely not a bad thing. He will feel right at home playing with Oli Sestan too. Neither Brett Lovett or Allan Jakovich had a high jumpers body but they went ok 

he's listed as 5'11" (181cm) but looks much shorter

with so many talls around now it can be deceptive. watching games, 6 footers look like midgets until you stand next to them ... lol

oh, it's pronounced  KEE-NAN !😆🤷‍♂️

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