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Farewell Luke Jackson

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  On 03/10/2022 at 11:20, dazzledavey36 said:

Thanks for your time Freo.

Onto West Coast we go.

The reality is, WCE won’t part with pick 2, we only have Freo left to deal with. They have the worst draft hand in the League. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a “take it or leave it” scenario. He can walk to West Coast in the PSD and we get zilch. It’s just the way it is. 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:27, Demons1858 said:

    Lever has finished top 10 in our best and fairest 1 in five years and finished 19th this year

    Without the 2021 season we look to have potentially paid overs - remember though  2-3/5 years ruined by injury. But a 2021 season with a medal does change it IMV. 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 09:39, Demons1858 said:

    It's rare but we paid overs for lever who was out of contract and nominated us. we also picked up KK because some new medical report said his neck needed strengthening and it would stop. us concussion ... 

    We paid equivalent of ~pick 5 for a player with enough exposed form and runs on the board that it was pretty guaranteed he'd play for us in a key role for 10 years. Statistically that isn't overs.

    The KK neck/concussion thing:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/29/afl-concussion-adviser-paul-mccrory-investigated-by-australian-medical-regulator

     

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tv-shows/on-the-couch/i-was-gobsmacked-explayer-kade-kolodjashnijs-explosive-claims-about-former-afl-expert-paul-mccrorys-concussion-call/news-story/6eb3f9a3eb67b7bc4936bc0e767da8d6

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:30, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

    The reality is, WCE won’t part with pick 2, we only have Freo left to deal with. They have the worst draft hand in the League. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a “take it or leave it” scenario. He can walk to West Coast in the PSD and we get zilch. It’s just the way it is. 

    I think WC, Norf, GWS and Port will work out a mega deal that will involve Georgiadies >> WC, WC split pick  with GWS, JHF to Port and Norf end up with more 1st rounders. They will stack up on talent this year and end up like GWS in 5 years time.

    The other alternative is WC split with GWS and offer us 3,20 for LJ while they hold onto pick 12. We could also throw in Bedford to GWS as a sweetener. 
     

    Ultimately it'll boil down to whether they want LJ or Georgiadies. 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:35, deanox said:

    We paid equivalent of ~pick 5 for a player with enough exposed form and runs on the board that it was pretty guaranteed he'd play for us in a key role for 10 years. Statistically that isn't overs.

    The KK neck/concussion thing:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/29/afl-concussion-adviser-paul-mccrory-investigated-by-australian-medical-regulator

     

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tv-shows/on-the-couch/i-was-gobsmacked-explayer-kade-kolodjashnijs-explosive-claims-about-former-afl-expert-paul-mccrorys-concussion-call/news-story/6eb3f9a3eb67b7bc4936bc0e767da8d6

     

    Correct pick 5 for a player that had been top 10 in b and f once and came 19th this season

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:30, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

    The reality is, WCE won’t part with pick 2, we only have Freo left to deal with. They have the worst draft hand in the League. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a “take it or leave it” scenario. He can walk to West Coast in the PSD and we get zilch. It’s just the way it is. 

    Seem to remember WC talking about the possibility of splitting that pick 2 though.

    In saying that, a deal will somehow happen with Freo, and I think Lobb will get traded - This is Ding Dong Bell we're dealing with remember? The same bloke who 'walked away' from Hogan negotiations.

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:38, Demons1858 said:

    Correct pick 5 for a player that had been top 10 in b and f once and came 19th this season

    And was part of the best defense recorded by the AFL in a premiership winning season. 
    Did we overpay for May who is almost 30?

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:40, Jaded No More said:

    And was part of the best defense recorded by the AFL in a premiership winning season. 
    Did we overpay for May who is almost 30?

    You should check May's b and f record and compare it to Lever. Lever has had 1 very good season and struggles to function unless the defensive structure is set up for him where he can leave his man

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    Realistically, who can WCE split their pick 2 with? Giants the only other team with multiple firsts but they have pick 3 so I don't see that happening.

    I also don't see WCE giving us two firsts with where their list is at. Even if they do split their 2nd, It'll be pick 7-10 this year + pick 20-25 next year. Vs Fremantle pick 13 this year and pick 9-15 next year. 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:41, Demons1858 said:

    You should check May's b and f record and compare it to Lever. Lever has had 1 very good season

    He’s also a lot younger and had an ACL in his first season with us and ongoing foot issues this year. 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:27, Demons1858 said:

    Lever has finished top 10 in our best and fairest 1 in five years and finished 19th this year

    Who cares about the B&F Results…

    He is a huge part of a very effective defensive unit 

    That is what he should always be judged on

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:42, Jaded No More said:

    He’s also a lot younger and had an ACL in his first season with us and ongoing foot issues this year. 

    He played 19 games this year ... everyone has injuries

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:10, dazzledavey36 said:

    Freo being drunk during trade period..

    Clearly they don’t have the picks or desire to obtain the picks to get it done.

    Counter offer asking for Young and this years First round for Jackson 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:39, Lord Nev said:

    Seem to remember WC talking about the possibility of splitting that pick 2 though.

    In saying that, a deal will somehow happen with Freo, and I think Lobb will get traded - This is Ding Dong Bell we're dealing with remember? The same bloke who 'walked away' from Hogan negotiations.

    This is correct and in response to @Kick_It_To_Pickett.

    WC have ruled out trading pick 2 for Jackson alone.

    They are though, open to the idea of splitting pick 2 to maybe two top ten picks which could help us get that pick we're after inside the 10.

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:49, Sir Why You Little said:

    Who cares about the B&F Results…

    He is a huge part of a very effective defensive unit 

    That is what he should always be judged on

    Was going to say why fight over who is best in a brilliant team unit 

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:49, Demons1858 said:

    He played 19 games this year ... everyone has injuries

    I'm not a huge Lever fan (when compared with many of our other players) but he seems to be a critical player not just in a structural / role sense - but providing leadership in the dying moments when it's needed most.  Think of his kick to max at the end of Rd23 last year or his kick into the centre at the end of the carlton match this year.

    I'm hoping that injuries did hamper him this year and that he will be back to last year's form next year.

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    I think we will either end up with an extra 2nd/F2nd, or Freo will use that pick to get 13 up the order somehow

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      On 03/10/2022 at 11:41, Demons1858 said:

    You should check May's b and f record and compare it to Lever. Lever has had 1 very good season and struggles to function unless the defensive structure is set up for him where he can leave his man

    Lever has been worked out and we need to reinvent him.

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      On 03/10/2022 at 12:04, deelusions from afar said:

    I'm not a huge Lever fan (when compared with many of our other players) but he seems to be a critical player not just in a structural / role sense - but providing leadership in the dying moments when it's needed most.  Think of his kick to max at the end of Rd23 last year or his kick into the centre at the end of the carlton match this year.

    I'm hoping that injuries did hamper him this year and that he will be back to last year's form next year.

    Agree with most of that, but has he played consistently like a pick 5 each year? No way, but like all key positron players they are important to structure. Re the Carlton kick, unlike the Geelong one, it was a miss kick in my opinion, but points for being there first to the ball

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      On 03/10/2022 at 12:12, Demons1858 said:

    Agree with most of that, but has he played consistently like a pick 5 each year? No way, but like all key positron players they are important to structure. Re the Carlton kick, unlike the Geelong one, it was a miss kick in my opinion, but points for being there first to the ball

    Bagging the Lever trade is such a weird hill to die on. 

    Sure, we got Lever and Petty (and, as a direct consequence, a [censored] premiership flag), but with the picks we gave up we could have had...

    *checks notes*

    Liam Stocker and one half of a 29-year-old Bryce Gibbs...

    Lever could retire tomorrow and it would still go down as one of our best trades in the AFL era.

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      On 03/10/2022 at 12:38, Accepting Mediocrity said:

    Bagging the Lever trade is such a weird hill to die on. 

    Sure, we got Lever and Petty (and, as a direct consequence, a [censored] premiership flag), but with the picks we gave up we could have had...

    *checks notes*

    Liam Stocker and one half of a 29-year-old Bryce Gibbs...

    Lever could retire tomorrow and it would still go down as one of our best trades in the AFL era.

    We could and should have got Lever and the premiership without bending over to Adelaide for lesser picks.

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    You can argue their one vs one merits all night but the stone cold fact is that Lever kicks more goals than May. 

    Anyway, isn’t this the Luck Jackson thread/tome?

    Interesting to read on the neutral forums that a lot of non-Dees/Freo supporters are calling this as “overs”. Is it possible that our red and blue goggles are a little too-tightly fused to our heads?

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      On 03/10/2022 at 12:40, Demons1858 said:

    We could and should have got Lever and the premiership without bending over to Adelaide for lesser picks.

    There is no universe in which we got '"bent over" by Adelaide. You don't get a proven, 21 YO gun key position player without paying a premium in draft picks, even if uncontracted. Just as Freo will need to come up with 2 first round picks (or equivalent) to land Jackson.

    If we'd played hardball, maybe we'd have got him for a 1st and a 2nd round. Maybe. Alternatively, maybe Adelaide would have walked him to the PSD, or struck an 11th hour deal with another club who were willing to pay a fair price. Or maybe Freo and GC wouldn't have been as keen to deal with us the following year and we would never have landed May.

    Dodoro plays hardball and 'wins' every trade week. How's that working out for Essendon?

     

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      On 03/10/2022 at 13:10, Accepting Mediocrity said:

    There is no universe in which we got '"bent over" by Adelaide. You don't get a proven, 21 YO gun key position player without paying a premium in draft picks, even if uncontracted. Just as Freo will need to come up with 2 first round picks (or equivalent) to land Jackson.

    If we'd played hardball, maybe we'd have got him for a 1st and a 2nd round. Maybe. Alternatively, maybe Adelaide would have walked him to the PSD, or struck an 11th hour deal with another club who were willing to pay a fair price. Or maybe Freo and GC wouldn't have been as keen to deal with us the following year and we would never have landed May.

    Dodoro plays hardball and 'wins' every trade week. How's that working out for Essendon?

     

    Not talking hard ball, its just we played soft ball in just this one trade. Adelaide got more than market value. His best and fairest results and need for the team to play a particular structure for him to shine proves that

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