10 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I agree with this and think that Serong or Young must be part of the deal…preferably Young

Young's just signed a new 4 year deal.

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Young's just signed a new 4 year deal.

I am aware of that and also believe that Serong has a few years to run. Doesn’t mean they cannot be traded

2 hours ago, Damo said:

Im one of few who dont believe the hype regarding Jackson. I think he is very good but I think Biclavs is very good as well. 

My major interest in this process is watchingto see that we dont get shafted. 

An added bonus would be that it means Gus is more likely to sign on again. I actually think Gus is closer to a (once in a ) generational player than Dogga. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Im backing him in for a Norm Smith.

I don't believe the hype either and I don't agree with the purported salary he's either seeking or been offered.

I certainly don't believe in the 'generational player' that gets labelled at LJ.

Carey was an example of a generational player. At the same age as LJ (21st year) he won a B&F, kicked 46 goals and polled 14 brownlow votes in 1992. In the following year he was captain of the All Aust side, kicked 63 goals and was arguably the best player in the league.

Aside from a rising star award (great but Lewis Taylor also won one) and a good but not amazing quarter in a grand final, what has he achieved to be warranting such a big pay day? What trajectory is he on to warrant such a big pay day?

Do Freo honestly think LJ is going to have the influence of a Carey or a Buddy over the next 1-4 years?

11 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I agree with this and think that Serong or Young must be part of the deal…preferably Young

Thats not going to happen as they are on long term contracts.

 

3 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Thats not going to happen as they are on long term contracts.

 

It can happen if they agree to the trade. The reality is that Freo need to come up with a fair deal to make it happen. We will ask the question 

He's not gone yet although  things are starting to look rather bleak. Mathew Lloyd thinks he might be gone and Lloyd is one of the few in the media who have a clue. Ross Lyon appears almost brain dead and Eddie can't shut up about how the AFL is against them and Ginnivan. Vomitous stuff.

If LJ is going for the Freo cash bags i dont want him in the side anymore.

Not committed to us ? OK there's the door so leave now.Bring in a young player who will bleed for the club.

12 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I am aware of that and also believe that Serong has a few years to run. Doesn’t mean they cannot be traded

Give us an example where an existing top 5 player at a club was traded to acquire a player from another club?

And don't include Josh Kennedy or Crisp, as they hadn't established themselves. 

 

I want another flag and LJ can help, so whether he stays or goes, want him part of 2022flag.

If he goes, it will be for a life changing deal! Simply up to Demons to get best deal possible, and hopefully is two firsts and a decent player! 
 

Would be great to get this out of way and also Brayshaw. Ideally both stay, but what will be will be!

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20 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Thats not going to happen as they are on long term contracts.

 

Isn't Grundy on a long term contract ? Doesn't seem to prevent speculation about him being traded - if the player and club agrees to a trade contract status would be secondary wouldn't it? 

9 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Give us an example where an existing top 5 player at a club was traded to acquire a player from another club?

And don't include Josh Kennedy or Crisp, as they hadn't established themselves. 

 

I am not saying it is going to happen…just pointing out that Freo need to offer something large and just because a player is on a long term deal it does not mean they cannot be traded

22 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I am aware of that and also believe that Serong has a few years to run. Doesn’t mean they cannot be traded

Serong extended in 2020 till the end of next year. If he signalled an interest to come back to Vic, his existing contract is no barrier. Young’s deal expires at the end of ‘27 (basically till free agency). 

 

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

$10.3m for 8 years is an average of $1.250m per year!  About 10% of their sal cap.   A lot of money to pay for potential!  At least when Buddy, Grundy, Kelly, Petracca, Oliver etc got 7+ year contracts they were in their mid 20's, mature bodied AFL players and with runs on the board whereas Jackson is all potential albeit with a great start and some major medals.

 

History of young players taking mega trade deals when only 20/21 hasn't served them well. 

• HWSNBN renegotiated his contract to take a lower amount when the young guns need to be paid.    Never came close to reaching his potential on field.  Later injured, recovered then traded to Hawthorn for a very late pick.  Retired early for personal reasons. 
• Tom Boyd.  Was ostracised by Bulldog team mates.  Suffered from depression.  Retired from AFL after just a few years with a premiership medal and almost a NSM but disillusioned.

I truly hope Jackson has the maturity to deal with the attitude of Freo fans when he has a few poor games and of team mates if they have to take a lower contact to accommodate him.   

Freo fans will be brutal if he doesn't live up to the hype.

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5 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Isn't Grundy on a long term contract ? Doesn't seem to prevent speculation about him being traded - if the player and club agrees to a trade contract status would be secondary wouldn't it? 

Totally different scenario. Grundy's contract is an albatross around the Pies neck, and they have a cheaper almost better version in Darcy Cameron.

The Freo boys are playing good footy and not on ridiculous money.

6 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I am not saying it is going to happen…just pointing out that Freo need to offer something large and just because a player is on a long term deal it does not mean they cannot be traded

Agreed! It’s an exceptional circumstance where a 20 year old ruck is being offered over $1 mil a year. Therefore it’s not unreasonable to expect the trade details to be similarly exceptional. 

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

$10.3m for 8 years is an average of $1.250m per year!  About 10% of their sal cap.   A lot of money to pay for potential!  At least when Buddy, Grundy, Kelly, Petracca, Oliver etc got 7+ year contracts they were in their mid 20's, mature bodied AFL players and with runs on the board whereas Jackson is all potential albeit with a great start and some major medals.

 

History of young players taking mega trade deals when only 20/21 hasn't served them well. 

• HWSNBN renegotiated his contract to take a lower amount when the young guns need to be paid.    Never came close to reaching his potential on field.  Later injured, recovered then traded to Hawthorn for a very late pick.  Retired early for personal reasons. 
• Tom Boyd.  Was ostracised by Bulldog team mates.  Suffered from depression.  Retired from AFL after just a few years with a premiership medal and almost a NSM but disillusioned.

I truly hope Jackson has the maturity to deal with the attitude of Freo fans when he has a few poor games and of team mates if they have to take a lower contact to accommodate him.   

To whom much is given, much is expected. 

35 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

It can happen if they agree to the trade. The reality is that Freo need to come up with a fair deal to make it happen. We will ask the question 

Yep, Freo would have a bunch of untouchables but i'm sure they would have some players on long term deals that they may be willing to offer to get LJ on board (if they want him that bad). Need to ask the questions to get the answers (even if it appears unlikely)

6 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Totally different scenario. Grundy's contract is an albatross around the Pies neck, and they have a cheaper almost better version in Darcy Cameron.

The Freo boys are playing good footy and not on ridiculous money.

There are no two scenarios that are the same in trading 

My point was simple - if a player and club mutually agree to a trade it can happen - your comment implied the long term contract in itself was a blocker - it isn't

 

15 minutes ago, Sydee said:

There are no two scenarios that are the same in trading 

My point was simple - if a player and club mutually agree to a trade it can happen - your comment implied the long term contract in itself was a blocker - it isn't

 

Of course contracted players have been traded in the past. But Collingwood are better off by getting rid of Grundy and his contract. Freo are worse by off loading any of Brayshaw, Serong or Young. That's why your Grundy analogy is irrelevant. 

25 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Yep, Freo would have a bunch of untouchables but i'm sure they would have some players on long term deals that they may be willing to offer to get LJ on board (if they want him that bad). Need to ask the questions to get the answers (even if it appears unlikely)

You need to ask the question to the players manager before you ask Freo. If the player doesn't want to go, and Freo don't want to lose them, end of story.

That's a huge contract for a player that has accumulated only 3 Brownlow Votes in his career. 

I really just cannot see any way Freo can get the trade to work. Can one of these media pundits put up a plausible scenario. I refuse to believe Luke would want to see the Dees screwed over.

1 hour ago, The Swimming Dee said:

It can happen if they agree to the trade. The reality is that Freo need to come up with a fair deal to make it happen. We will ask the question 

Was there once a rule that prevented this in the first year of a new contract? 

43 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Yep, Freo would have a bunch of untouchables but i'm sure they would have some players on long term deals that they may be willing to offer to get LJ on board (if they want him that bad). Need to ask the questions to get the answers (even if it appears unlikely)

Who knows whether the prospect of getting traded to a strong Vic club might make one of the previously settled Vic kids put their hand up to return home? 

15 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Makes sense.  The impact (upside/downside) of playing Tomo (as long as it's in form Tomo) vs Petty as the 3rd tall defender will probably be marginal IMV.

However, the potential upside of playing Petty forward (if he slots into that role quicky enough)?  Reckon many will be coming out after a few matches and all saying "why did we/SG not try this earlier!"

My gut feel is both Petty and Smith are both better forwards (natural playing instincts/ability) than they are defenders.  More so Petty.  That's not to say Petty is an ordinary defender... pretty solid.

DD - if you feel Petty is a better forward than defender, then we have a superstar forward on our list.  Time will tell I guess.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Young's just signed a new 4 year deal.

 

1 hour ago, The Swimming Dee said:

I am aware of that and also believe that Serong has a few years to run. Doesn’t mean they cannot be traded

OK then .... even though it would create confusion, can we have A Brayshaw instead?

12 minutes ago, layzie said:

Was there once a rule that prevented this in the first year of a new contract? 

I wouldn’t know sorry