Farewell Luke Jackson

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,293]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Thanks for your time Freo.

Onto West Coast we go.

The reality is, WCE won’t part with pick 2, we only have Freo left to deal with. They have the worst draft hand in the League. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a “take it or leave it” scenario. He can walk to West Coast in the PSD and we get zilch. It’s just the way it is. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

9 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Lever has finished top 10 in our best and fairest 1 in five years and finished 19th this year

Without the 2021 season we look to have potentially paid overs - remember though  2-3/5 years ruined by injury. But a 2021 season with a medal does change it IMV. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by CYB

[deanox 9,931]

1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

It's rare but we paid overs for lever who was out of contract and nominated us. we also picked up KK because some new medical report said his neck needed strengthening and it would stop. us concussion ... 

We paid equivalent of ~pick 5 for a player with enough exposed form and runs on the board that it was pretty guaranteed he'd play for us in a key role for 10 years. Statistically that isn't overs.

The KK neck/concussion thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/29/afl-concussion-adviser-paul-mccrory-investigated-by-australian-medical-regulator

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tv-shows/on-the-couch/i-was-gobsmacked-explayer-kade-kolodjashnijs-explosive-claims-about-former-afl-expert-paul-mccrorys-concussion-call/news-story/6eb3f9a3eb67b7bc4936bc0e767da8d6

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

8 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

The reality is, WCE won’t part with pick 2, we only have Freo left to deal with. They have the worst draft hand in the League. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a “take it or leave it” scenario. He can walk to West Coast in the PSD and we get zilch. It’s just the way it is. 

I think WC, Norf, GWS and Port will work out a mega deal that will involve Georgiadies >> WC, WC split pick  with GWS, JHF to Port and Norf end up with more 1st rounders. They will stack up on talent this year and end up like GWS in 5 years time.

The other alternative is WC split with GWS and offer us 3,20 for LJ while they hold onto pick 12. We could also throw in Bedford to GWS as a sweetener. 
 

Ultimately it'll boil down to whether they want LJ or Georgiadies. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by CYB

[Demons1858 1,760]

2 minutes ago, deanox said:

We paid equivalent of ~pick 5 for a player with enough exposed form and runs on the board that it was pretty guaranteed he'd play for us in a key role for 10 years. Statistically that isn't overs.

The KK neck/concussion thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/29/afl-concussion-adviser-paul-mccrory-investigated-by-australian-medical-regulator

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tv-shows/on-the-couch/i-was-gobsmacked-explayer-kade-kolodjashnijs-explosive-claims-about-former-afl-expert-paul-mccrorys-concussion-call/news-story/6eb3f9a3eb67b7bc4936bc0e767da8d6

 

Correct pick 5 for a player that had been top 10 in b and f once and came 19th this season

[Lord Nev 13,512]

7 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

The reality is, WCE won’t part with pick 2, we only have Freo left to deal with. They have the worst draft hand in the League. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a “take it or leave it” scenario. He can walk to West Coast in the PSD and we get zilch. It’s just the way it is. 

Seem to remember WC talking about the possibility of splitting that pick 2 though.

In saying that, a deal will somehow happen with Freo, and I think Lobb will get traded - This is Ding Dong Bell we're dealing with remember? The same bloke who 'walked away' from Hogan negotiations.

[Jaded No More 68,965]

Just now, Demons1858 said:

Correct pick 5 for a player that had been top 10 in b and f once and came 19th this season

And was part of the best defense recorded by the AFL in a premiership winning season. 
Did we overpay for May who is almost 30?

[Demons1858 1,760]

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

And was part of the best defense recorded by the AFL in a premiership winning season. 
Did we overpay for May who is almost 30?

You should check May's b and f record and compare it to Lever. Lever has had 1 very good season and struggles to function unless the defensive structure is set up for him where he can leave his man

Edited October 3, 2022 by Demons1858

[mmwd6 220]

Realistically, who can WCE split their pick 2 with? Giants the only other team with multiple firsts but they have pick 3 so I don't see that happening.

I also don't see WCE giving us two firsts with where their list is at. Even if they do split their 2nd, It'll be pick 7-10 this year + pick 20-25 next year. Vs Fremantle pick 13 this year and pick 9-15 next year. 

[Jaded No More 68,965]

Just now, Demons1858 said:

You should check May's b and f record and compare it to Lever. Lever has had 1 very good season

He’s also a lot younger and had an ACL in his first season with us and ongoing foot issues this year. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

19 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Lever has finished top 10 in our best and fairest 1 in five years and finished 19th this year

Who cares about the B&F Results…

He is a huge part of a very effective defensive unit 

That is what he should always be judged on

[Demons1858 1,760]

5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He’s also a lot younger and had an ACL in his first season with us and ongoing foot issues this year. 

He played 19 games this year ... everyone has injuries

[Pennant St Dee 13,203]

38 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Freo being drunk during trade period..

Clearly they don’t have the picks or desire to obtain the picks to get it done.

Counter offer asking for Young and this years First round for Jackson 

[dazzledavey36 54,955]

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Seem to remember WC talking about the possibility of splitting that pick 2 though.

In saying that, a deal will somehow happen with Freo, and I think Lobb will get traded - This is Ding Dong Bell we're dealing with remember? The same bloke who 'walked away' from Hogan negotiations.

This is correct and in response to @Kick_It_To_Pickett.

WC have ruled out trading pick 2 for Jackson alone.

They are though, open to the idea of splitting pick 2 to maybe two top ten picks which could help us get that pick we're after inside the 10.

[layzie 33,833]

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Who cares about the B&F Results…

He is a huge part of a very effective defensive unit 

That is what he should always be judged on

Was going to say why fight over who is best in a brilliant team unit 

[deelusions from afar 1,810]

9 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

He played 19 games this year ... everyone has injuries

I'm not a huge Lever fan (when compared with many of our other players) but he seems to be a critical player not just in a structural / role sense - but providing leadership in the dying moments when it's needed most.  Think of his kick to max at the end of Rd23 last year or his kick into the centre at the end of the carlton match this year.

I'm hoping that injuries did hamper him this year and that he will be back to last year's form next year.

[Matt 424]

I think we will either end up with an extra 2nd/F2nd, or Freo will use that pick to get 13 up the order somehow

[Redleg 40,946]

28 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

You should check May's b and f record and compare it to Lever. Lever has had 1 very good season and struggles to function unless the defensive structure is set up for him where he can leave his man

Lever has been worked out and we need to reinvent him.

[Demons1858 1,760]

5 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

I'm not a huge Lever fan (when compared with many of our other players) but he seems to be a critical player not just in a structural / role sense - but providing leadership in the dying moments when it's needed most.  Think of his kick to max at the end of Rd23 last year or his kick into the centre at the end of the carlton match this year.

I'm hoping that injuries did hamper him this year and that he will be back to last year's form next year.

Agree with most of that, but has he played consistently like a pick 5 each year? No way, but like all key positron players they are important to structure. Re the Carlton kick, unlike the Geelong one, it was a miss kick in my opinion, but points for being there first to the ball

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

6 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Agree with most of that, but has he played consistently like a pick 5 each year? No way, but like all key positron players they are important to structure. Re the Carlton kick, unlike the Geelong one, it was a miss kick in my opinion, but points for being there first to the ball

Bagging the Lever trade is such a weird hill to die on. 

Sure, we got Lever and Petty (and, as a direct consequence, a [censored] premiership flag), but with the picks we gave up we could have had...

*checks notes*

Liam Stocker and one half of a 29-year-old Bryce Gibbs...

Lever could retire tomorrow and it would still go down as one of our best trades in the AFL era.

[Demons1858 1,760]

1 minute ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

Bagging the Lever trade is such a weird hill to die on. 

Sure, we got Lever and Petty (and, as a direct consequence, a [censored] premiership flag), but with the picks we gave up we could have had...

*checks notes*

Liam Stocker and one half of a 29-year-old Bryce Gibbs...

Lever could retire tomorrow and it would still go down as one of our best trades in the AFL era.

We could and should have got Lever and the premiership without bending over to Adelaide for lesser picks.

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

You can argue their one vs one merits all night but the stone cold fact is that Lever kicks more goals than May. 

Anyway, isn’t this the Luck Jackson thread/tome?

Interesting to read on the neutral forums that a lot of non-Dees/Freo supporters are calling this as “overs”. Is it possible that our red and blue goggles are a little too-tightly fused to our heads?

Edited October 3, 2022 by Mel Bourne

[whatwhat say what 22,780]

1 minute ago, Mel Bourne said:

You can argue their one vs one merits all night but the stone cold fact is that Lever kicks more goals than May. 

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

9 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

We could and should have got Lever and the premiership without bending over to Adelaide for lesser picks.

There is no universe in which we got '"bent over" by Adelaide. You don't get a proven, 21 YO gun key position player without paying a premium in draft picks, even if uncontracted. Just as Freo will need to come up with 2 first round picks (or equivalent) to land Jackson.

If we'd played hardball, maybe we'd have got him for a 1st and a 2nd round. Maybe. Alternatively, maybe Adelaide would have walked him to the PSD, or struck an 11th hour deal with another club who were willing to pay a fair price. Or maybe Freo and GC wouldn't have been as keen to deal with us the following year and we would never have landed May.

Dodoro plays hardball and 'wins' every trade week. How's that working out for Essendon?

 

[Demons1858 1,760]

11 minutes ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

There is no universe in which we got '"bent over" by Adelaide. You don't get a proven, 21 YO gun key position player without paying a premium in draft picks, even if uncontracted. Just as Freo will need to come up with 2 first round picks (or equivalent) to land Jackson.

If we'd played hardball, maybe we'd have got him for a 1st and a 2nd round. Maybe. Alternatively, maybe Adelaide would have walked him to the PSD, or struck an 11th hour deal with another club who were willing to pay a fair price. Or maybe Freo and GC wouldn't have been as keen to deal with us the following year and we would never have landed May.

Dodoro plays hardball and 'wins' every trade week. How's that working out for Essendon?

 

Not talking hard ball, its just we played soft ball in just this one trade. Adelaide got more than market value. His best and fairest results and need for the team to play a particular structure for him to shine proves that