15 hours ago, DubDee said:

True but they are often not top 3 picks.  I think only Roughhead from that list is.

Think Patton, Watts, Boyd, Schache, McCartin - all absolute gun fwds in juniors and done very little.  Picking a tall fwd with a top 3 pick is risky for sure

Yeah it's pretty strange. I would say most great key forwards come from the first round but when it comes to that top 5 or even top 10 they strike out a lot. I guess Under 18 level flatters some attributes and masks weaknesses a lot when it comes to tall forwards and therefore they become much more speculative when it comes to the draft. Then there's the added pressure of being 'the great white hope' for any club that drafts them as they usually expect success a lot earlier than a team that is willing to put the time in. This could easily happen with Cadman so there is a bit of luck involved here too and nothing is a sure thing. Risky business. 

36 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

As long as we can get a pick around number 5, would be happy with either Cadman or Sheezel as both fill a need.

A KPF or a classy half forward/winger.

Will snoop Dogg be his sponsor?

Fo Sheezel

18 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

That's a completely valid point. No draft pick is a certainty and there's been plenty of top 5 picks who went on to be duds. We've had more than our fair share of them!

By the same token, the best players, especially tall forwards, are usually highly talented juniors taken in the first round of the draft. If you look at the Coleman medal winners, nearly every one for over a decade has been a first rounder.

2022 - Curnow - first round pick
2021 - H McKay - first round pick
2020 - Hawkins - father son pick
2019 - J Cameron - underage pre-draft (first round equivalent)
2018 - J Reiwoldt - first round pick
2017 - Franklin - first round pick
2016 - J Kennedy - first round pick
2015 - J Kennedy - first round pick
2014 - Franklin - first round pick
2013 - J Roughead - first round pick
2012 - J Reiwoldt - first round pick
2011 - Franklin - first round pick
2010 - J Reiwoldt - first round pick

It's up to the recruiters to determine if they think Cadman's physical attributes, skillset, and personality mean he will flourish at AFL level or not. Based on his output and data on previous draftees, he's more likely to become a winner than not. No guarantees though! 

Where is the Wied in this list?

9 minutes ago, Kent said:

Where is the Wied in this list?

statistical anomaly 

17 minutes ago, Kent said:

Where is the Wied in this list?

Just shows how critical it is to get drafting right. If we had Curnow or MacKay, our fwd line would look so different 

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Will snoop Dogg be his sponsor?

Fo Sheezel

As long as he ain’t his supplier 

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Will snoop Dogg be his sponsor?

Fo Sheezel

if his career has the same longevity and success as calvin broadus jr you'd take it

15 hours ago, old55 said:

Because they wouldn't have to to get it done.

Uh, yes they would. If they want him. No pick 2 involvement would mean we’re better off dealing with Freo.

Just now, Mach5 said:

Uh, yes they would. If they want him. No pick 2 involvement would mean we’re better off dealing with Freo.

West Coast split 2 with GC for 5 and 7 and offer us 5 and 20 for Jackson. Freo's 2 1sts beyond 10 don't compete.

2 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Uh, yes they would. If they want him. No pick 2 involvement would mean we’re better off dealing with Freo.

They said pick 2 wasn’t on the table “at this stage” to me that’s not ruling it out. They also mentioned splitting it and also next years first which you would assume would be a top 5 pick. 
It’s too early in the pieces for them to say they would give us pick 2. Weakens their hand. 
If Luke or his management indicate to West Coast that he is willing to join them make no mistake about it pick 2 will be involved one way or another. 

What world does that clown Robinson live in? Jackson not worth 2 top 10 picks?

You can’t tell me he’s not worth more than 2 of Jimmy Toumpas, Lachie Plowman, Cale Morton, Josh Schace, Jack Scrimshaw, Will Setterfield, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Aaron Francis, Sam Weideman, Jack Billings, Nathan Freeman, Matt Scharenburg, Paddy Dow, Nick Coffield... obviously you could go on and on about top 10 picks.

 

5 minutes ago, old55 said:

West Coast split 2 with GC for 5 and 7 and offer us 5 and 20 for Jackson. Freo's 2 1sts beyond 10 don't compete.

That... is involving pick 2.

4 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

As long as we can get a pick around number 5, would be happy with either Cadman or Sheezel as both fill a need.

A KPF or a classy half forward/winger.

Sheezel’s going to be an absolute super star IMO.

A natural forward that would slot in very nicely into our forward line.

I think both Freo and West coast can get the deal done without too much trouble. 
Freo will be looking for pick 28 of the dogs as a min for Lobb. Perhaps also a first round pick swap of 13&10. 
They also have another 3-4 players they are going to trade giving them picks to go after Brisbanes pick this year. So that would give them The dogs pick 10, Lions pick 15 and their future first. We would def be sending some picks back to them but they can get it done. 

What West Coast players would you guys like. I know Allen has been mentioned, but think outside the full forward box and look at their list.

They would have to want to, but boy oh boy they could be playing out their careers in a bottom 4 side as opposed to coming to a finals club. It must be attractive to a few of them. I haven't watched them at all this year so don't have a clue.

That Josh Kennedy goes alright. But seriously folks. 

Would something like this work if we have to deal with Fremantle?

 

Melb

Get - pick 8 (Dunkley trade), Pick 11 (WB 1st Round) or Frem 1st R 2023

Give - Luke Jacskon 

Port 

Get - Dunkley 

Give - Pick 8 

WB

Give - pick 29,  Pick 11 

Get - Rory Lobb , Pick 14 (Frem 1st Rounder) 

Frem  

Get - Luke Jackson, 29 

Give - Pick 14 , Rory Lobb 

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Sheezel’s going to be an absolute super star IMO.

A natural forward that would slot in very nicely into our forward line.

Yep I’m all for Sheezel too. Anyone know if he kicks straight??

6 minutes ago, DemonJack 14 said:

Would something like this work if we have to deal with Fremantle?

 

Melb

Get - pick 8 (Dunkley trade), Pick 11 (WB 1st Round) or Frem 1st R 2023

Give - Luke Jacskon 

Port 

Get - Dunkley 

Give - Pick 8 

WB

Give - pick 29,  Pick 11 

Get - Rory Lobb , Pick 14 (Frem 1st Rounder) 

Frem  

Get - Luke Jackson, 29 

Give - Pick 14 , Rory Lobb 

No, have a look at what the dogs lose/get, they lose Dunkely, and picks 11 & 29 and only get picks 14 and Lobb back. They can probably get Lobb on his own for pick 29 and might do a 14 to 11 downgrade, but in your scenario they'd be giving Dunkley up for nothing. Plus I doubt a 4 team trade would get anywhere near a starting point. 

I can see that if West Coast get involved that they'll split their pick 2 (as other have mentioned) for potentially pick 5 and 7 from Gold Coast (assuming that's what Adelaide have to give for Rankine) and we'd then get pick 7 and their future 1st - with our future 1st also going back to them. 

7 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I can see that if West Coast get involved that they'll split their pick 2 (as other have mentioned) for potentially pick 5 and 7 from Gold Coast (assuming that's what Adelaide have to give for Rankine) and we'd then get pick 7 and their future 1st - with our future 1st also going back to them. 

Yeah I can see this being an option but I think we would also need to get one of their early second rounders from this year. They will have 3 when Rioli leaves 

7 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I can see that if West Coast get involved that they'll split their pick 2 (as other have mentioned) for potentially pick 5 and 7 from Gold Coast (assuming that's what Adelaide have to give for Rankine) and we'd then get pick 7 and their future 1st - with our future 1st also going back to them. 

5 & 7 feels overs for pick 2 but IF they were able to swindle that the deal with Melbourne feels about right…

7 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I can see that if West Coast get involved that they'll split their pick 2 (as other have mentioned) for potentially pick 5 and 7 from Gold Coast (assuming that's what Adelaide have to give for Rankine) and we'd then get pick 7 and their future 1st - with our future 1st also going back to them. 

West Coast would be mad to split their pick and give up next years. You need premium high quality talent in a rebuild, that means keeping the highest picks.

I don’t think they’re actually keen on Jackson at all. I think they’re just playing the game to make sure Freo cough up a fair price.

26 minutes ago, DemonJack 14 said:

Would something like this work if we have to deal with Fremantle?

 

Melb

Get - pick 8 (Dunkley trade), Pick 11 (WB 1st Round) or Frem 1st R 2023

Give - Luke Jacskon 

Port 

Get - Dunkley 

Give - Pick 8 

WB

Give - pick 29,  Pick 11 

Get - Rory Lobb , Pick 14 (Frem 1st Rounder) 

Frem  

Get - Luke Jackson, 29 

Give - Pick 14 , Rory Lobb 

we will want an early-to-mid second round pick to pass on to the filth for grundy, i expect

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

That... is involving pick 2.

How about you go back and read my original post where I said that "WC won't trade pick 2 for Jackson" ie MFC won't receive pick 2 which is the important point.

I did not say WC won't do a trade involving pick 2 so they can get suitable picks to trade for Jackson which is an entirely different thing.

I'm sick of hearing about this bloke - he doesn't play for us - he can fo!

(Unbridled rage settling in)