10 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

Yeah, it was a very difficult situation for him, mainly because player movement announcments are so taboo in the AFL.  I don't think I want the AFL to go quite as far as the NRL do with announcing player movement so far out, but I do hope we can mature a little in this space.  Just like turfing the centre bounce, I really don't think it will be as impactful to the industry as some supporters think.

In 2011 $cully stayed away from the ball. It was blatant and disgraceful 

Both he and the MFC were guilty 

We were such a rubbish organization, nobody wanted to come near us. Does not excuse flat out lying….

But nobody cares, he was a very average player. He could run…

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

In 2011 $cully stayed away from the ball. It was blatant and disgraceful 

Both he and the MFC were guilty 

We were such a rubbish organization, nobody wanted to come near us. Does not excuse flat out lying….

But nobody cares, he was a very average player. He could run…

Did the culture of the AFL give him any alternative to lying?  And what did the burden of scrutiny and secrecy do to his mental health and how did that affect him on field?

20 hours ago, hardtack said:

Family should ALWAYS come first… I’d hardly call it a mistake.

Well then his family should do the honourable thing and move to Melbourne. 

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

I don’t recall LJ lying to a dying President, or the entire Melbourne membership and fan base and for that matter the entire viewing public. TS said on theTV News and to other media, that he was only in Sydney to have a look around, when the next day videos of him in GWS gear, were for sale, that had obviously been made weeks ago.

Clearly he had committed to GWS a long time before that Sydney lie fest.

I don’t disagree with your characterisation of Melbourne then and now, nor the TS family situation, but TS was not a child and didn’t have to keep lying.

LJ at this point has said nothing and not lied.

TS knew how much we had invested in him and should have just said no comment. That is not hard to do.

I accept that TS was made an offer he couldn’t refuse, it’s the way he left and what he said that I didn’t like.

He blamed everyone on the way out and lied continually. That’s why I feel the way I do.

I still hope LJ stays, but accept he probably won’t, unless a fair deal can’t be achieved.

I will be very disappointed to see him leave, but won’t dislike him or boo him, both of which I did to TS. I have never booed an ex demon before or since. I am happy for him  he got a lot money and also as to how his career played out.

Our pick 2 that year was a great bloke, who I will still mention in footy conversations, unlike the other bloke, who really doesn’t exist in MFC or footy discussions.

And don't forget what would have to be AFL involvement in GWS creating a job for $$'s father. 

18 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

Did the culture of the AFL give him any alternative to lying?  And what did the burden of scrutiny and secrecy do to his mental health and how did that affect him on field?

Yes say” no comment”. Doesn’t matter what people take from that. It’s not a lie.

Agree with SWYL that he definitely lay down in his second year. Didn’t go in at all, it was very obvious. We were paying him to play and he didn’t.

Had committed to GWS to leave us in his first year, as later came out and bagged everyone on his way out including our current Captain. I wouldn’t let him clean Max’s boots.

As to his mental health I can’t really comment,  other than to say it was really only Dees fans that were angry with him and after a few games at GWS he was a GWS player and that was that.

Anyway enough about TS and back to LJ, I still hope he stays, but if he goes I trust JT, Richo and Tim Lamb to get us a good deal.

Edited August 24, 20222 yr by Redleg

13 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

Did the culture of the AFL give him any alternative to lying?  And what did the burden of scrutiny and secrecy do to his mental health and how did that affect him on field?

He just should have said nothing and left at the end of the year. 
Lying straight down the barrel of the Camera did him no favours, the Club should not have invited the vultures in. 
 

it was Amateur all round 

What if jacko  is considering signing with Freo and we play them in the finals?

Strewth.

30 minutes ago, deebunked said:

What if jacko  is considering signing with Freo and we play them in the finals?

Strewth.

Luke Jackson will be playing for the West Coast Eagles next year...! 

3 minutes ago, Deetention said:

Luke Jackson will be playing for the West Coast Eagles next year...! 

11 minutes ago, Deetention said:

Luke Jackson will be playing for the West Coast Eagles next year...! 

The hard chase by Freo always surprised me, i mean i understand if a player says they want to go to the club, but he isnt exactly on top of their needs list.

Eagles on the other hand.. 

Pretty sure I read somewhere West Coast still believe they are in the game for Luke. If it is go home or money influencing his decision it should make no difference to him which Perth club he goes to. If it is something like he just prefers Freo then that is pretty weak.
Correct me if I’m wrong but he was pick 3 and has become a lot better since then. Really don’t see how Freo get it done.

if he stays then all good.

One would hope if freo was off the table he might reconsider in the short term, really I don’t understand his rush. Dees in the frame for multiple flags, the money and deal with still be there in 2 years. Who is his manger really think they are giving him bad advise unless there is some extenuating circumstances we aren’t aware of

Edited August 24, 20222 yr by Garbo

18 minutes ago, Garbo said:

One would hope if freo was off the table he might reconsider in the short term, really I don’t understand his rush. Dees in the frame for multiple flags, the money and deal with still be there in 2 years. Who is his manger really think they are giving him bad advise unless there is some extenuating circumstances we aren’t aware of

Of course it is also possible that a big enough $ offer now may not be offered again in 2 years - who knows what might happen, form, injury etc. Tempting to cash in now rather than an uncertain later.

29 minutes ago, Garbo said:

One would hope if freo was off the table he might reconsider in the short term, really I don’t understand his rush. Dees in the frame for multiple flags, the money and deal with still be there in 2 years. Who is his manger really think they are giving him bad advise unless there is some extenuating circumstances we aren’t aware of

A bird in the hand...

West Coast loitering in the long grass. I'm sure there is nothing they would like more than to gazump their cross town rivals

Good for us as it creates an auction

I still want dogga to stay though

3 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

Did the culture of the AFL give him any alternative to lying?  And what did the burden of scrutiny and secrecy do to his mental health and how did that affect him on field?

Great point.

We can all agree on one thing though, it got him a pretty cool house.

6 minutes ago, layzie said:

Great point.

We can all agree on one thing though, it got him a pretty cool house.

 

8 minutes ago, layzie said:

Great point.

We can all agree on one thing though, it got him a pretty cool house.

got a link?

43 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

got a link?

https://www.guardianrealty.com.au/tom-scully-to-leave-a-giant-space-in-the-hills/

46 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

https://www.guardianrealty.com.au/tom-scully-to-leave-a-giant-space-in-the-hills/

thanks ethan, but i meant the one dogga just bought

4 hours ago, deebunked said:

What if jacko  is considering signing with Freo and we play them in the finals?

Can they sub him in mid-game if one of their guys gets injured??

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

thanks ethan, but i meant the one dogga just bought

Ahhh… got that one too but it’s got his (parents) address on it. 

7 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

How naive are you?  We have 65,000+ members plus many, many other non-member supporters.  You are kidding yourself if you think all of them are wonderful people that will harbour nothing but goodwill to departed players, especially if we don't get a good trade.

Yes we have many supporters and thankfully are not all like you.  Most thinking fans will not harbour a grudge to  Dogga if he contributes to a second flag.

While I can't completely understand Luke's real logic of moving now (2 years later at least  has many advantages career and life wise) I don't have all the facts and mind of a 20 year old and if he leaves all the best to him.

I am equally as sure our excellent FD directors will make good decisions in compensating us in the trade negotiations.

But to publicly turn against and boo a young star that helped us make history in his developmental years is harsh and churlish.  We should applaud him as a Demon legend who helped change our Club becoming better. 

I am not "naive" enough to believe that is all that will happen and no doubt that some good natured or worse banter will be directed at LJ from our fans.

"Good luck" in your attempt to stir up angst but our trade result is up to us and no reflection on Dogga or reason for him to be cast as a completely bad villain in this scenario. 

10 minutes ago, 58er said:

Yes we have many supporters and thankfully are not all like you.  Most thinking fans will not harbour a grudge to  Dogga if he contributes to a second flag.

While I can't completely understand Luke's real logic of moving now (2 years later at least  has many advantages career and life wise) I don't have all the facts and mind of a 20 year old and if he leaves all the best to him.

I am equally as sure our excellent FD directors will make good decisions in compensating us in the trade negotiations.

But to publicly turn against and boo a young star that helped us make history in his developmental years is harsh and churlish.  We should applaud him as a Demon legend who helped change our Club becoming better. 

I am not "naive" enough to believe that is all that will happen and no doubt that some good natured or worse banter will be directed at LJ from our fans.

"Good luck" in your attempt to stir up angst but our trade result is up to us and no reflection on Dogga or reason for him to be cast as a completely bad villain in this scenario. 

Lol.  Where did I say I would boo?  I’m not trying to stir up angst.  Someone asked if people thought Melbourne fans would boo.  I wouldn’t but there are many different types of Melbourne supporters out there.  The two biggest bullies in my year level at school were Melbourne supporters.  They aren’t all like you and they aren’t all like me.  If we can’t manage a good deal (it is a negotiation after all) some people will vent their disappointment by booing him.  Not all Melbourne supporters are angels.