Farewell Luke Jackson

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

Mel and Steve have purchased a mansion in Toorak and LJ has a new set of diamond grillz. Make of this what you will… 

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,257]

46 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Unless Fremantle are willing to offer up Brayshaw or 2 top 10 picks then I would rather send him to North Melbourne.

Which they clearly won't be.

[Clintosaurus 7,926]

I think Dogga and Gus will both stay. Has the EBA been finalised yet?

[Lucifers Hero 40,524]

6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I might need coffee, but how could they split their 2023 pick?

And tbh, I don't think pick 6 and a future first gets it done anyway.

The same way as 2022:

• 2023 first for two lower 2023 first.
• 2023 first for one 2022 first and one lower 2023 first
• 2023 first for one 2023 first and two 2023 second.

So many scenarios.

We may not have a choice but two accept a top 10 pick and another first rounder.  It is a damn sight better than anything Freo can put on the table.

Yep time for a coffee.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,257]

47 minutes ago, layzie said:

Would that concern us all that much LH? Can we not just deal with West Coast anyway if the decides he wants to go back to WA?

Or does nominating Freo put us in a tricky spot?

Absolutely it does. If he nominates Freo, he will get to Freo one way or another.

I honestly can't recall an occasion recently when an out of contract high profile player was not traded to the club of his clearly communicated choice. Would love to hear an example to the contrary.

 

[DubDee 26,306]

24 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Have we not reached a point in the game or in life where people can be upfront and honest. If Jackson has already made up his mind, tell the club and the players. If I was a coach or teammate not only would I have more respect for him but I would also understand and be empathetic. Whilst it may be seen as disruptive by some, I think it’s more disruptive the longer it goes on. We keep hearing professional sport is a business these days, we’ll this is just part of it. By knowing early it also gives us more time to explore our options.

Personally I would not want to play with someone who I might be playing against in the GF the following year. As soon as he signs on with another club he shouldn't play for us again imo

[dazzledavey36 55,892]

1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Absolutely it does. If he nominates Freo, he will get to Freo one way or another.

I honestly can't recall an occasion recently when an out of contract high profile player was not traded to the club of his clearly communicated choice. Would love to hear an example to the contrary.

 

The only one I can think of was Nick Stevens who badly wanted to get to Collingwood but instead ended up at Carlton?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

The same way as 2022:

• 2023 first for two lower 2023 first.

But you couldn't do that unless another team had 2x 2023 first round picks?

And even then, why would we take that deal that adds even further uncertainty?

Sorry mate, not grasping this part at all.

[Lucifers Hero 40,524]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

But you couldn't do that unless another team had 2x 2023 first round picks?

And even then, why would we take that deal that adds even further uncertainty?

Sorry mate, not grasping this part at all.

This is my last response.

The draft pick exchanges can involve several clubs to get to the end result with any combo of picks as long as they stay in the AFL rules.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Lucifers Hero said:

This is my last response.

The draft pick exchanges can involve several clubs to get to the end result with any combo of picks as long as they stay in the AFL rules.

I know it can involve several clubs, but I don't see how it's possible to trade 1 future first round pick for 2 future first round picks from 2 separate teams. Doesn't add up.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

42 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

For LJ i am more interested in Players 

We need ready made Guns, not 2-3 kids at Casey who have Potential 

The Window is open NOW 

For LJ he fulfils both current and future needs so any equitable trade needs to do the same.

Someone who can impact now and is presumably 28+ and is in top 15 bracket of their club and then we need a pick that fairly represents his future worth, which is a top 3 pick. 

Eagles can offer us that, Freo cannot.
 

 

Edited June 29, 2022 by CYB

[dazzledavey36 55,892]

 

[sue 9,195]

I don't think I'm saying anything profound, but draft picks are a lottery.   Pick 3's who have proved themselves are not.  I'm not sure how many top 5 picks = Jackson.  If there is a trade, surely a fair deal requires  both picks and an established good player. 

[george_on_the_outer 7,843]

17 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

I think Dogga and Gus will both stay. Has the EBA been finalised yet?

No it hasn't, and that is what is holding things up. 

We don't know what the salary cap will be, so we don't know how much money we can offer, especially if we are pushing up against the cap at the moment.  Other clubs have space, ala Carlton last year, so they can put money on the table. Likewise clubs like Geelong will likely see Selwood retire so they know they have space already.

[dazzledavey36 55,892]

Just now, sue said:

I don't think I'm saying anything profound, but draft picks are a lottery.   Pick 3's who have proved themselves are not.  I'm not sure how many top 5 picks = Jackson.  If there is a trade, surely a fair deal requires  both picks and an established good player. 

I understand this argument. 

But with Jason Taylor and Tim Lamb at the helm I have supreme confidence we would nab an absolute gun with an early pick.

[Nascent 9,321]

Haven't given up on retaining him but doesn't sound great at the moment. If he does decide to leave, I can only hope he looks after us as much as Cerra looked after freo. We spent pick 3 and have him as a centre piece for life post Max. Luke leaving would disrupt our list management significantly and would result in us needing to maximise our return from him to cover our ruck and tall depth issues. So if he's truly deciding between us and his family back in WA, then he should be open to both clubs and look after our interests by dealing with the club that presents the best trade offer to us. It's the least he can do after we have given him the start to a career which includes a premiership and tutelage under the best ruck in the game.

[Wells 11 5,466]

57 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Freo is arguably in a similar "flag window"

True. With Jackson they would certainly be fr some years to come. But can they trade for him? or pay him what he’s after? We couldn’t get the Cerra deal done I can’t see how they would be able to do this one either. Unless Im missing something? 

[Salems Lot 2,687]

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

i can't remember any occasion where things have dragged out like this that the player hasn't left. I think the odds of him staying must be low despite Drysdale being so adamant.

see my previous post Dusty took forever to sign on

[mo64 5,883]

I don't buy the argument that the EBA is holding things up. Jako could easily commit to the club, and just say that the details have to be finalised. Goody's comments suggest that there is  no commitment from Jackson to re-sign.

Edited June 29, 2022 by mo64

[Wells 11 5,466]

1 minute ago, Salems Lot said:

see my previous post Dusty took forever to sign on

Also Travis Cloke from years ago w the pies. But they were both Vic boys. 

[DubDee 26,306]

I would take A. Brayshaw for LJ.

Brayshaw is the best young player in the game imo

[sue 9,195]

What's with this pressure to return home by young adults to be near family and friends?  Our kids buzzed off to pursue careers and other things and have made new friends wherever they went. And without the sort of money in the bank that AFL players can have (if they have any sense).  They still keep in touch with old friends and family which these days is 1000 times easier than it was only 25 years ago.  Do footy players never grow up?

Yeah, I'm probably a rotten parent.

[Clintosaurus 7,926]

22 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

No it hasn't, and that is what is holding things up. 

We don't know what the salary cap will be, so we don't know how much money we can offer, especially if we are pushing up against the cap at the moment.  Other clubs have space, ala Carlton last year, so they can put money on the table. Likewise clubs like Geelong will likely see Selwood retire so they know they have space already.

And the cap for 2023 and beyond impacts what Clarry's next contract will be $$ wise. Tim Lamb will be earning his wage managing the list while the window is wide open.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

I wonder if the May incident has thrown a spanner in the works in recent times.

[whatwhat say what 23,451]

49 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Absolutely it does. If he nominates Freo, he will get to Freo one way or another.

I honestly can't recall an occasion recently when an out of contract high profile player was not traded to the club of his clearly communicated choice. Would love to hear an example to the contrary.

 

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