Welcome to Demonland - Pick 17

[Lucifers Hero 39,565]

On 10/31/2021 at 3:32 PM, Cheesy D. Pun said:

As a hypothetical, what happens if we use 17, then Mac is available at 21? Do we have the points to match or will we need to make a bunch of draft-day pick swaps to make it work?

Yes we do and plenty left over for Taj, depending on where he is selected..

[godees 858]

On 11/2/2021 at 4:10 PM, Supreme_Demon said:

I'm still keen on Josh Sinn with pick #17 in the 2021 AFL National Draft.

Here is his highlights package shown below.

 

However, until it is closer to the Draft at the end of November I really won't know who we will look to pick.

Either way, I have faith in Jason Taylor finding another gem for the Demons.

I think we would have him as one of our biggest targets but likely gone before we get a pick unless we can sneak higher

[adonski 11,785]

Reckon we'll take one of Mitch Owens or Knevitt

[Davos 847]

20 minutes ago, adonski said:

Reckon we'll take one of Mitch Owens or Knevitt

Getting the same vibes 

[BigMacjnr 283]

39 minutes ago, Davos said:

Getting the same vibes 

@Davos and @adonski care to provide some insight as to where you are getting these 'vibes'?

[adonski 11,785]

3 minutes ago, BigMacjnr said:

@Davos and @adonski care to provide some insight as to where you are getting these 'vibes'?

Purely speculation on my behalf (thus the crystal ball)

Both seem like Goodwin/Taylor types & should be available at our pick

I pretty quickly eliminate players whose weaknesses are contested game, intensity, work-rate from the possibilities 

[godees 858]

16 hours ago, adonski said:

Purely speculation on my behalf (thus the crystal ball)

Both seem like Goodwin/Taylor types & should be available at our pick

I pretty quickly eliminate players whose weaknesses are contested game, intensity, work-rate from the possibilities 

Bad kicks? Don’t think so

[spirit of norm smith 16,271]

17 hours ago, adonski said:

Reckon we'll take one of Mitch Owens or Knevitt

 

??  because they are bigger bodied type midfielders (!?!?!). 

[adonski 11,785]

2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

??  because they are bigger bodied type midfielders (!?!?!). 

We don't take outside cats who can't win their own footy 

[manny100 1,495]

I am tipping we pick a tall we rate that slips to our pick. Laurie barely played due to injury and COVID. He becomes in effect another 1st round pick in the Bank we available  have this year. He is that small forward/mid type.

We also need a ruck to develop over the next few seasons. Conway would be an option if JT and team are happy with his mobility and pace for a big man. That could mean using our 2nd and 3rd picks to trade up a little or he slips. He is the highest rated ruck in the draft but expected to take time to develop.

When you come off a Premiership you probably look for any holes in the list that will be hard to fill with long term injury, loss of form or pending retirement in coming year(s). 

You then identify these players and try to trade up to where you think they will be picked. Probably why we have traded for pick 17. Likely have a couple of targets.  I suspect we will be active in moving our picks higher.

Last year we obviously focused on players with footy smarts and elite ball use skills. 

 

[DeeSpencer 25,444]

18 hours ago, adonski said:

Reckon we'll take one of Mitch Owens or Knevitt

I reckon Knevitt will be gone, too much upside for someone not to take a chance earlier. 30+ touches at 193cm with athleticism - hard to see him lasting past 15 I reckon.

Owens is appealing, tall wingman who can read the play, but I'm not convinced by him.

They're both tall mids with contested ball winning but I'm not sure they have the powerful games that Taylor seems to like. Even the smalls he's drafted in Koz, Spargo and Bowey have a lot of power per square inch of size. Sparrow and Rivers both like to use their power to burst through congestion. Same with Harmes - for better or worse. Salem - thrives playing with contact and in congestion.

There's every chance we go left field as we often do if one of the top quality guys doesn't drop. But from what I've seen the most Jason Taylor player around the mark of our pick is Sam Butler.

[adonski 11,785]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I reckon Knevitt will be gone, too much upside for someone not to take a chance earlier. 30+ touches at 193cm with athleticism - hard to see him lasting past 15 I reckon.

Owens is appealing, tall wingman who can read the play, but I'm not convinced by him.

They're both tall mids with contested ball winning but I'm not sure they have the powerful games that Taylor seems to like. Even the smalls he's drafted in Koz, Spargo and Bowey have a lot of power per square inch of size. Sparrow and Rivers both like to use their power to burst through congestion. Same with Harmes - for better or worse. Salem - thrives playing with contact and in congestion.

There's every chance we go left field as we often do if one of the top quality guys doesn't drop. But from what I've seen the most Jason Taylor player around the mark of our pick is Sam Butler.

Would be interesting to go that way after picking up Bailey Laurie last year

[DeeSpencer 25,444]

26 minutes ago, adonski said:

Would be interesting to go that way after picking up Bailey Laurie last year

Talls and tall flankers/wing depth are probably more of a need but running midfielder types make up a huge chunk of the team. Tracc, Oliver, Viney, Harmes, Sparrow, Salem, Bowey, ANB, Spargo. That’s 9 of 22. I wouldn’t be worried about having overlap in that group as long as the players are versatile.

[spirit of norm smith 16,271]

On 11/2/2021 at 3:10 PM, Supreme_Demon said:

I'm still keen on Josh Sinn with pick #17 in the 2021 AFL National Draft.

Here is his highlights package shown below.

 

However, until it is closer to the Draft at the end of November I really won't know who we will look to pick.

Either way, I have faith in Jason Taylor finding another gem for the Demons.

Agree. Sinn is a quality youngster. His left foot disposal and skill makes him definitely top draft pick about 10-12 ranked imv.  Dees would have to trade up to get him (if he was available, he’d be a huge get). 
 

and agree - JT is a legend and will find a gem once again. 

[Dee-licious 1,949]

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Sinn is a quality youngster. His left foot disposal and skill makes him definitely top draft pick about 10-12 ranked imv.  Dees would have to trade up to get him (if he was available, he’d be a huge get). 
 

and agree - JT is a legend and will find a gem once again. 

Its insane to think that there are maybe 5(?) players who were touted as top 10 picks at the start of the year that might be on offer. COVID has really messed with peoples season. 
 

Sonsie, Sinn, Chesser, Van Roey, 

[Mach5 4,767]

On 11/3/2021 at 6:13 PM, adonski said:

Reckon we'll take one of Mitch Owens or Knevitt

I know it sounds silly, but I got definite diet-Fyfe vibes from watching Owens highlights.

I like Knevitt’s raw potential paired with consistency and high volume possessions, but I think that’ll mean he’s not available for us.

[adonski 11,785]

4 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I know it sounds silly, but I got definite diet-Fyfe vibes from watching Owens highlights.

I like Knevitt’s raw potential paired with consistency and high volume possessions, but I think that’ll mean he’s not available for us.

Yeah the marking was nuts wasn't it. He looked incredibly brave too which would appeal to JT.

[BAMF 4,299]

Thoughts on Wilmont? Touted around our pick. If he was one day younger he would be in next year's draft.

 

Darcy Wilmont

Defender

183cm/75kg

31/12/03

Northern Knights/Vic Metro

 

Wilmot is undoubtedly an eye-catcher: he plays with an aggressive, combative streak out of half-back and takes the game on. The Northern Knights prospect can gallop out of defence and is competitive in the air against opponents who may be bigger and stronger than him at this point of his development. Wilmot is the youngest player in the draft – he turns 18 on December 31 – and he looms as a real top-20 chance next month.

 

https://www.afl.com.au/news/685788/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-october-ranking

[Deemania since 56 6,607]

On 11/4/2021 at 1:07 PM, DeeSpencer said:

I reckon Knevitt will be gone, too much upside for someone not to take a chance earlier. 30+ touches at 193cm with athleticism - hard to see him lasting past 15 I reckon.

Owens is appealing, tall wingman who can read the play, but I'm not convinced by him.

They're both tall mids with contested ball winning but I'm not sure they have the powerful games that Taylor seems to like. Even the smalls he's drafted in Koz, Spargo and Bowey have a lot of power per square inch of size. Sparrow and Rivers both like to use their power to burst through congestion. Same with Harmes - for better or worse. Salem - thrives playing with contact and in congestion.

There's every chance we go left field as we often do if one of the top quality guys doesn't drop. But from what I've seen the most Jason Taylor player around the mark of our pick is Sam Butler.

Provided that we can select a player with good footy skills and a head for the game that we play, I really don't see any pick under the 30th selection being a poor one - given that our coaching panel is now the best in the AFL - and importantly, has the brains and talents of both Yze and Chocko, plus the development arm at Casey, to call the shots on player development and up-skilling. 

[durango 2,004]

Most people look at this draft and try to guess what JT is thinking but we have yet to see what Bailey Laurie and Fraser Rosman can do because of the limited opportunities in 2021 other than training and development programs so if we get 3-4 players thru the draft we will probably have 5-6 players virtually new to put pressure on the existing 36.

Players like Oscar Baker must make some development progress or will fall by the wayside in 2022.

Edited November 5, 2021 by durango

[Wrecker46 2,963]

Whoever we pick will be a competive beast regardless if they are inside, outside or in the middle.

 

[spirit of norm smith 16,271]

2 hours ago, durango said:

Most people look at this draft and try to guess what JT is thinking but we have yet to see what Bailey Laurie and Fraser Rosman can do because of the limited opportunities in 2021 other than training and development programs so if we get 3-4 players thru the draft we will probably have 5-6 players virtually new to put pressure on the existing 36.

Good call. Yze and Choco working with the youngsters is a fantastic opportunity for these young men.  Laurie ahd Rosman will effectively be new recruits all over again. We’ve seen the value of (Yze and Choco) mentoring and training the youngsters.  The development, that was so lacking in prior years, is now such a strength.   

[adonski 11,785]

 

[Colm 2,088]

39 minutes ago, adonski said:

 

Ffs

[faultydet 7,594]

16 hours ago, adonski said:

 

Why not ban all testing?

Just rank the draftees by their commitment to climate change and equality action and draft accordingly.....