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Yeah, we're trying our usual move of trading out our future first rounder to get back into the current year's first round. 

I wonder if we'll try and include a player there or maybe the future first and this year's first pick.

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"Among the other clubs to come forward for the Suns' pick 19, which they were officially granted last week as part of the AFL's concession package, is Melbourne"

Wish they weren't granted it, but if we can grab it off them it will be ok in the end aha.

Don't think Mac will be around by then, wonder who they have their eye on

 

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Pretty much every move the football department has made in recent years, whether players, picks or both (in or out) have netted a positive outcome. 
Very proud to say they've earned our confidence and justified their salaries!

 

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I'm not going to be happy if it's a future first for this pick. Only reason is that the north Melbourne deal was for the same pick but the money dump (so if we can afford Cerra, can we afford a money dump to get pick 19 without having to give up our future first - instead make it a future second or some such)? All in all pick 19 for pick 16-18 next year isn't too bad.

 

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Weideman - didn’t work 

Pickett - worked, filled a need, original deal was bad value that turned in to solid value after swapping picks with Freo. Improving to mid table ladder position sure helped the deal.

Bowey/Laurie - got great value due to outplaying Brisbane/over performing expectations. Bowey’s well worth the first rounder, ended up with Laurie for a small second round downgrade.

My concern this year is we’d be trading a future first and something for pick 19, so we’d immediately be losing, with no room to make up ground. The best we could do is break even on the first rounder and not have given up much else.

It’s also unlikely the kid we take makes immediate impact. And it’s a future pick that could go to identifying and filling a need with a proven experienced player next year. And if we do it now there’s no way we’re guaranteed to get who we want.

Im a broken record on this but no matter how many times they deny it I reckon they wanted Max Holmes and had him poached last year. They really liked Macrae and maybe Angwin too. 
 

Without the benefit of our fate being in our own hands in terms of ladder position improvement nor the ability to guarantee who we’re selecting I don’t like this idea. A lot of risk for what reward?

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12 minutes ago, Wunders said:

I'm not going to be happy if it's a future first for this pick. Only reason is that the north Melbourne deal was for the same pick but the money dump (so if we can afford Cerra, can we afford a money dump to get pick 19 without having to give up our future first - instead make it a future second or some such)? All in all pick 19 for pick 16-18 next year isn't too bad.

 

Could be something like our future 1st and future 2nd for 19 and the Gold Coast or Collingwood future 2nd.

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Weideman - didn’t work 

Pickett - worked, filled a need, original deal was bad value that turned in to solid value after swapping picks with Freo. Improving to mid table ladder position sure helped the deal.

Bowey/Laurie - got great value due to outplaying Brisbane/over performing expectations. Bowey’s well worth the first rounder, ended up with Laurie for a small second round downgrade.

My concern this year is we’d be trading a future first and something for pick 19, so we’d immediately be losing, with no room to make up ground. The best we could do is break even on the first rounder and not have given up much else.

It’s also unlikely the kid we take makes immediate impact. And it’s a future pick that could go to identifying and filling a need with a proven experienced player next year. And if we do it now there’s no way we’re guaranteed to get who we want.

Im a broken record on this but no matter how many times they deny it I reckon they wanted Max Holmes and had him poached last year. They really liked Macrae and maybe Angwin too. 
 

Without the benefit of our fate being in our own hands in terms of ladder position improvement nor the ability to guarantee who we’re selecting I don’t like this idea. A lot of risk for what reward?

You don't win a flag then 'win' trades in that sense anymore. 

Bowey made an immediate impact. 

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12 minutes ago, Wunders said:

I'm not going to be happy if it's a future first for this pick. Only reason is that the north Melbourne deal was for the same pick but the money dump (so if we can afford Cerra, can we afford a money dump to get pick 19 without having to give up our future first - instead make it a future second or some such)? All in all pick 19 for pick 16-18 next year isn't too bad.

 

The AFL might prevent that deal. But the other aspects of that were:

1. the Suns probably wanted North’s future second, making it only a small downgrade 

2. Cerra probably meant us trading someone out.
 

3. MacPherson also isn’t keen on getting traded on his current deal and becoming a lame duck. He wants a team to commit to him properly with a longer deal or to push his claims at the Suns rather just than being dumped.

Geelong did their future first for Richmond’s last year. The tigers must not have loved the draft and they banked on the Cats being at least marginally worse. I think the Suns pick will require more than than that. If it was available cheaply to North at one stage it probably won’t always be so. 

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10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Im a broken record on this but no matter how many times they deny it I reckon they wanted Max Holmes and had him poached last year. They really liked Macrae and maybe Angwin too. 
 

Bowey was a pretty decent consolation...

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12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Weideman - didn’t work 

Pickett - worked, filled a need, original deal was bad value that turned in to solid value after swapping picks with Freo. Improving to mid table ladder position sure helped the deal.

Bowey/Laurie - got great value due to outplaying Brisbane/over performing expectations. Bowey’s well worth the first rounder, ended up with Laurie for a small second round downgrade.

My concern this year is we’d be trading a future first and something for pick 19, so we’d immediately be losing, with no room to make up ground. The best we could do is break even on the first rounder and not have given up much else.

It’s also unlikely the kid we take makes immediate impact. And it’s a future pick that could go to identifying and filling a need with a proven experienced player next year. And if we do it now there’s no way we’re guaranteed to get who we want.

Im a broken record on this but no matter how many times they deny it I reckon they wanted Max Holmes and had him poached last year. They really liked Macrae and maybe Angwin too. 
 

Without the benefit of our fate being in our own hands in terms of ladder position improvement nor the ability to guarantee who we’re selecting I don’t like this idea. A lot of risk for what reward?

 

I understand what you're saying but we also 'gave to much for Lever' at the time.

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3 minutes ago, adonski said:

You don't win a flag then 'win' trades in that sense anymore. 

Bowey made an immediate impact. 

Bowey’s far more the exception than the rule. It’s a chance, but we’d be planning more for years 2-4 than year 1.

Id be keen on selling picks like the way GWS did to get the Pies pick 2. Which is an amazing result but there’s teams that will overpay and gamble if you’re patient. 

Our current young crop is so strong we might have to give some guys up as well. In a lot of ways rather than rushing in for more draft capital we could hold off a year or two and give JT a super strong hand. In normal drafts too. The Bowey result is even more remarkable given he’d missed most of 2020 and the kids have suffered again this year. 

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1 minute ago, Deefiant said:

One of these years this will come back to bite us....

Name a year it’s come back to bite us so far… 

We have a very young list and are eyeing off a top 4 finish for the next few seasons. We won’t be giving up a top 10 pick. It’s not a big risk. 

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1 hour ago, Deefiant said:

One of these years this will come back to bite us....

By then we might have a few flags and everyone will have forgotten the trading forward.

 

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1 minute ago, The Stigga said:

 

I understand what you're saying but we also 'gave to much for Lever' at the time.

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I thought the 2nd rounder from the crows being right at the back was a little too much but Petty was a great pick and we improved again the next year. It’s the ability to improve and make our pick better that I’ve always liked. Our destiny has been in our own hands 

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