POSTGAME: GRAND FINAL vs Western Bulldogs

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Still, across the game, the effort and earned benefits were pretty damn good!

It wasn't too bad an effort, after all, it was their first grand final in a while ... so they were bound to be a bit rusty.

 

43 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

I've got a similar problem with Max Gawn. The dog got him and bit half his foot off.

Fido's lucky you didn't immediately go out and kick 16 goals to 1 against him in 45 minutes, like the team did after a Dog tried to savage the real Max.

[Willmoy1947 3,957]

On 11/8/2021 at 8:46 AM, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Heart and Soul of the Club.

Can't believe people were calling him out for a couple of years there.

I was unfair about him and i was wrong, for about the fifth time.

[jnrmac 19,890]

4 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Absolutely right. Still furious about that goal. And the behind they snuck in as well. Higher standards demanded for next year's grand final demolition job.

I'm furious still about the soft frees Liberatore and McRae got in the middle. Viney gave two away that were nowhere near frees. 

[Engorged Onion 10,117]

48 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I'm furious still about the soft frees Liberatore and McRae got in the middle. Viney gave two away that were nowhere near frees. 

Jack was very very good at not buying into his frustration. The quick multiple shakes of head - but steely eyes on Liberatore.

[dees189227 12,027]

9 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Total disgrace that the Coach wasn't given his 5mins of glory

I really hope on the 5th of December Goody makes his speech. I think that would be perfect. 

[daisycutter 29,296]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

I'm furious still about the soft frees Liberatore and McRae got in the middle. Viney gave two away that were nowhere near frees. 

but bbb got a few cheapies

[1964_2 2,357]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I'm furious still about the soft frees Liberatore and McRae got in the middle. Viney gave two away that were nowhere near frees. 

It has been eating me up why Trac didn’t have the ability, effort and tenacity to break free of the Bont tackle and kick a goal from 65m out, with 5 seconds to go in the third quarter. 

should keep him hungry to come back bigger, better and stronger next year!     :) :) 

 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I'm furious still about the soft frees Liberatore and McRae got in the middle. Viney gave two away that were nowhere near frees. 

 

23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

but bbb got a few cheapies

Overall the umpiring was more consistent and less diabolical that your average home and away game. I'm just glad it wasn't a love-in like the Dogs have had so many times over recent years.

I heard a joke about that supposed near-punch on in a Perth nightclub (which is probably complete bullsmit but anyway). Apparently the Dogs heard the umpires were in the nightclub too, so challenged the Demons to a fight. But when they learned the umps weren't there after all, they backed down. (Well I thought it was funny.)

(And why would they want to fight the Demons with Viney on our side and Weightman on theirs? It's like playing two men short. Before the first punch was thrown, Weightman would be rolling on the ground screaming that he's been shot.)

 

2 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

It has been eating me up why Trac didn’t have the ability, effort and tenacity to break free of the Bont tackle and kick a goal from 65m out, with 5 seconds to go in the third quarter. 

should keep him hungry to come back bigger, better and stronger next year!     :) :) 

He'll be burning all summer over that one!

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Watched the second half again. This time with 3AW commentary. Can't stop myself laughing every time "surely not another one" happens. And for certain goals in the last quarter. I know it was weeks ago, but I think people should try to watch a replay. I strongly recommend it.

[Mono 455]

2 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

It has been eating me up why Trac didn’t have the ability, effort and tenacity to break free of the Bont tackle and kick a goal from 65m out, with 5 seconds to go in the third quarter. 

should keep him hungry to come back bigger, better and stronger next year!     :) :) 

 

Actually I thought Petracca was kicking it to Brown probably. 4 goals in 47secs would have been REALLY something.

[Dante 2,704]

A mate of mine and lives next door to Brad and he sent me this.

He supports Richmond and was nearly as happy as me that we won.

[1964_2 2,357]

5 hours ago, Mono said:

Actually I thought Petracca was kicking it to Brown probably. 4 goals in 47secs would have been REALLY something.

Guess we will have to settle with 3 in 47 seconds. 

would love to see a top 10 “one minute of finals footy” to know how it compares to anything else. 
 

[58er 5,910]

8 hours ago, daisycutter said:

but bbb got a few cheapies

Can't compare the timing his 2 you are referring to are near the end and are clear arm chops 

The  swing of his body and holding after he missed the ball was legit but perhaps the one earlier that quarter ( 3rd) for holding was not BUT the umps have been paying SOFT holding and pushing and interfering frees all year so no different. 
The Hannan free late in the 3rd also was crap. 
Overall umpiring had little or no effect on the outcome.

I was at the game and was ok with Umps.

[Demon17 5,038]

12 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

 

I heard a joke about that supposed near-punch on in a Perth nightclub ......

(And why would they want to fight the Demons with Viney on our side and Weightman on theirs? It's like playing two men short. Before the first punch was thrown, Weightman would be rolling on the ground screaming that he's been shot.)

 

Kudos for this fantasy scenario - a great start to the day as a read.. Its hilarious and possibly COULD be true in another universe.

You can hear the doggies now..."...you take Viney - ..... No YOU take him, I'll take ........"

 

[leave it to deever 17,445]

15 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I'm furious still about the soft frees Liberatore and McRae got in the middle. Viney gave two away that were nowhere near frees. 

And there was Kozzie being tackled high about 20 m from goal and a few uncalled throws.

But I will say the unlike last time we met or worse the lions / dogs final or even worse when the dogs played swans in the granny.....the umps imho didnt really impact the game at all.

As it should be.

Edited November 9, 2021 by leave it to deever

[leave it to deever 17,445]

On 11/8/2021 at 8:55 PM, Jontee said:

I have had a couple of wines or two but Libba is 29, Treloar is 28, Mcrae is 27, Hunter is 26, Bont is 25, Dunks 24 and Smith just a kid

Viney 27,  Harmes 26, Tracca 25, Oliver 24, Sparrow just a kid, who else do we run through the middle?

Now the Dogs are a quality side and I am trying to understand why we won the way we did. I think you can see the difference in the ages.

Libba played like he was 29 and it was a shocker.  Treloar played a good game mainly because he kicked 3 goals. The Dogs midfield was too old when they came up against the Dees.  Add in Jacko at 20 vs English at 24 or Gawn at 29 vs Martin at 34.

Our aged players were mainly down the goal to goal line - BB, TMc, (Gawn)....May (and btw thats why I think we need to use pick 17 for a tall).  

Not to take anything away from our lads but I think flying to Brisbane....then Adelaide and then Perth must have had some impact upon them. As much as we lifted they looked cooked in the 40 mins. 

Yes a tall defender is probably a good idea as Adam t isnt that young either.

[mauriesy 7,153]

On 11/8/2021 at 8:55 PM, Jontee said:

I have had a couple of wines or two but Libba is 29, Treloar is 28, Mcrae is 27, Hunter is 26, Bont is 25, Dunks 24 and Smith just a kid

Viney 27,  Harmes 26, Tracca 25, Oliver 24, Sparrow just a kid, who else do we run through the middle?

Now the Dogs are a quality side and I am trying to understand why we won the way we did. I think you can see the difference in the ages.

 I doubt those age gaps made much difference. You are really only talking about Liberatore as a difference.

Most experienced players don't decline until after about 30. In fact since the effects of experience and training are cumulative, they should still be getting better.

Sides like Geelong are a different story.

[leave it to deever 17,445]

On 11/8/2021 at 10:14 PM, Demondan75 said:

Who could of predicted what we did. It is still so exciting and captivating, this vision will live forever in all of us. Go 189227 you good thing. And come on the Mighty Dees. Giddy up.

Having now experienced the high of a flag, Im not sure how Ive endured following this club.

I guess I never really felt what was truly missing.

I need another fix.

Edited November 9, 2021 by leave it to deever

[faultydet 7,594]

16 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

 I doubt those age gaps made much difference. You are really only talking about Liberatore as a difference.

Most experienced players don't decline until after about 30. In fact since the effects of experience and training are cumulative, they should still be getting better.

Sides like Geelong are a different story.

Libba will very soon be a liability for the Dogs to run on the ball.

Have a look at how slow he looked in that last 30 seconds of the 3rd when we were taking the ball away from the bounce. He looked like he was trying to run in a walking frame.

[Watson11 2,203]

28 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Not to take anything away from our lads but I think flying to Brisbane....then Adelaide and then Perth must have had some impact upon them. As much as we lifted they looked cooked in the 40 mins. 

Yes a tall defender is probably a good idea as Adam t isnt that young either.

I would have said yes except for the 2 weeks between the prelim and GF was plenty to recover. In that final 40 mins they also had a total of 13 minutes of recovery time between goals and 6 mins at 3/4 time.  They were cooked upstairs but physically they had no excuses.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

38 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Not to take anything away from our lads but I think flying to Brisbane....then Adelaide and then Perth must have had some impact upon them. As much as we lifted they looked cooked in the 40 mins. 

True, but they did it to themselves by blowing the last few rounds of home and away.

Contrast that to the team who finished on top, became masters of their own destiny  and earned themselves little travel and a stable living/training base.

[leave it to deever 17,445]

7 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

I would have said yes except for the 2 weeks between the prelim and GF was plenty to recover. In that final 40 mins they also had a total of 13 minutes of recovery time between goals and 6 mins at 3/4 time.  They were cooked upstairs but physically they had no excuses.

I forgot about the two weeks.

I did speculate in previous posts that the dogs may have been devastated by that last min of the third as they seemed to offer little fight in the last.

A four goal lead in a gf is not imposdible to chase but the dogs looked somewhat disinterested. Maybe it was sheer shock.

Edited November 9, 2021 by leave it to deever

[mauriesy 7,153]

18 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Libba will very soon be a liability for the Dogs to run on the ball.

Have a look at how slow he looked in that last 30 seconds of the 3rd when we were taking the ball away from the bounce. He looked like he was trying to run in a walking frame.

Libba is not slow, but he did go ball hunting and lost defensive position, allowing Petracca et al to get out of the front of the circle.

That wasn't anything to do with speed, in fact he ran pretty hard trying to catch them once they were past, but they were too far gone.

[faultydet 7,594]

8 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Libba is not slow, but he did go ball hunting and lost defensive position, allowing Petracca et al to get out of the front of the circle.

That wasn't anything to do with speed, in fact he ran pretty hard trying to catch them once they were past, but they were too far gone.

His lack of speed was glaring.

He was slow. Plodding almost.

Have a look again.

[tiers 2,803]

They were cooked before three quarter time.

Just watch how insipid and weak they looked when Kozzie stripped them of the ball to fall for Bowser to give to Angus; then when Tracca gave to Clarrie who gave to Sparrow who kicked a 50m+ goal off one step while surrounded by four doggies; then when Jack cleared the ball from the pack to our running ruckman Dogga, all on his own, to give to Clarrie, on his own, with only Daniels who got run down by Jack between Clarrie and the goals. Game over.

They were boiled, poached, fried, baked, roasted, grilled, sauteed - cooked.

BTW so were the catties in the second half of the PF.

Edited November 10, 2021 by tiers
Correction.