1 minute ago, Ouch! said:

...apparently AFL Tasmania is set to announce that they are not going to continue the TSL (State league for Tasmania) beyond 2024.

The TSL has been struggling for quite some time.  Don't know why the AFL is happy to see it die

I don't buy issues with player retainment being an inevitability.

Build a great club - good coaches, players, staff, facilities, supporters, community engagement - and most players will be keen to stay for the enjoyable environment, positive culture and prospect of success.

If perennial warm weather and density of night clubs is a player's highest priority, well, perhaps they are not the type of player that makes great clubs.   

Just now, speed demon said:

I don't buy issues with player retainment being an inevitability.

Build a great club - good coaches, players, staff, facilities, supporters, community engagement - and most players will be keen to stay for the enjoyable environment, positive culture and prospect of success.

If perennial warm weather and density of night clubs is a player's highest priority, well, perhaps they are not the type of player that makes great clubs.   

Dangerfield almost said as much yesterday when talking with Whately, basically said the Tas team should have access to any player from any club, no compensation, and if the clubs are worried about losing players, then it's perhaps more reflective of the club, it's culture and focus on that. Didn't expect that from the AFLPA pres.

5 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Dangerfield almost said as much yesterday when talking with Whately, basically said the Tas team should have access to any player from any club, no compensation, and if the clubs are worried about losing players, then it's perhaps more reflective of the club, it's culture and focus on that. Didn't expect that from the AFLPA pres.

Very easy to be the chief [censored] spouting rubbish when neither you or club will be immediately affected.

He's in a very cushy position.

7 minutes ago, one_demon said:

The TSL has been struggling for quite some time.  Don't know why the AFL is happy to see it die

i suspect they;d like to get back to a ntfa, nwfu, stfl like it used to be. can still have intrastate games too as the used to.

will take considerable time but would be most viable option if they can do it right

2 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Matty Wade seems open to showing people the sights :D
If you ever get a chance to come down when Dark Mofo is on, it's a unique experience! 

I nearly went down for Dark Mofo around 2018 to see a few bands, definitely something I want to experience!

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i suspect they;d like to get back to a ntfa, nwfu, stfl like it used to be. can still have intrastate games too as the used to.

will take considerable time but would be most viable option if they can do it right

Agree that is what their thinking is, but I think they will need to be very prominent on the ground in each region of the state in terms of junior development programs and pathways. We need to build up the local pools of players and define those initial participation pathways, making it strong again before considering how a state league would look if it's still viable.

The construction works on the midlands highway at the moment has also made it a 3+ hour journey which also wouldn't help. The company I work for has essentially said if we have to travel intrastate, that we essentially need to factor in an overnight stay, this is purely due to safety concerns in relation to a 6+ hour return journey.

3 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Agree that is what their thinking is, but I think they will need to be very prominent on the ground in each region of the state in terms of junior development programs and pathways. We need to build up the local pools of players and define those initial participation pathways, making it strong again before considering how a state league would look if it's still viable.

The construction works on the midlands highway at the moment has also made it a 3+ hour journey which also wouldn't help. The company I work for has essentially said if we have to travel intrastate, that we essentially need to factor in an overnight stay, this is purely due to safety concerns in relation to a 6+ hour return journey.

i wasn't saying a statewide league, but three senior regional leagues as it used to be. no travelling required. i don't think a statewide league is viable

eventually:

level 1.  AFL team, VFL team (maybe) U18 team (maybe), AFLW team.

level2.  NTFA, NWFU, STFL (seniors, 2nds, U18 for both men and women)

and i agree about the development/pathways necessities. a lot of work, a lot of time but need to establish a clear vision of target structure as soon as possible

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i suspect they;d like to get back to a ntfa, nwfu, stfl like it used to be.

At the moment it seems more like nfi, wtaf and stfu.

1 minute ago, Demonstone said:

At the moment it seems more like nfi, wtaf and stfu.

yes, all great leagues in their day, ds 😁

On 5/3/2023 at 6:52 PM, Ouch! said:

Huh what points? 

Media rights? That wasn't even a point, barely a sentence.... and eyeballs?  560k Tassie people, thats at least 2 million eyeballs we have (and Tasmanians can make that joke!)  

Go home factor?  seriously thats been something happening for years, it's not new, but more importantly it isn't valid in that he states Qld and WA players want to go home, hmm, so do Vic players and SA players. But apparently this is somehow more valid because of Tassie and his dislike of the state.  

The issue is more the tone of 'Imagine 20 year olds sent to Tassie wanting to stay past 2 years' Tasmania is no longer a convict settlement... that view is rude and pathetic and as I called out wrong.

Today is a hugely significant day for the AFL, for Tasmania, the people, the former players and it's just tiring listening to someone constantly troll and slag off Tasmania or the team that is coming. 

I really appreciate your input, Ouch! But was not expecting this line and LOL-ed like a mofo. 😂

I've got 101 jokes ready to go about supporter numbers, players family's turning up, Tasmanians being able to support their old club and the Tassie team easily by using one head each... there's a lot of low hanging fruit down there, literally.

But.

I'm actually really happy that Tasmania is getting an AFL club.

I'll probably make our games into a regular excuse to make a trip down.

Even 5,000 people doing that each home game and it works out to tens of millions of dollars worth of extra visitors for Tasmania each year on that point alone.

It'll work out.

As somebody who moved to Sydney for work for less than what AFL players make... I'd much rather prefer to have moved to Hobart.  Better food and culture, if you know where to look!  I think AFL players are being precious if they don't want to move to Tassie. 

Edited May 5, 20231 yr by DeelightfulPlay
Rather... a more distinguished word

I put this up a few days ago on FB:-

ON THE MAP?

The island state of Tasmania received a major boost yesterday when the AFL granted it a licence that should ultimately see a 19th club in the competition before the end of the decade. 

At last, the Apple Isle is more than just an afterthought in the minds of the football public and the concept of an actual team representing the estimated 570,000 population has become a reality amid the glitz and glamour of Gillon McLachlan’s big announcement.

There are however, numerous elephants standing in the room and in the way of a successful Tassie team and it seems somewhat ironic that the concensus name for its mascot is an extinct marsupial. 

The cynical author of this article has his concerns that the stadium which underpinned the application for an AFL licence might never be built and there’s certainly reason, at a time of 7% per annum inflation and rising building costs, to fear that it won’t come out on budget or on time. These days you can’t build an outhouse on budget and on time, let alone a major stadium.

But there’s more and it relates to the fractured state of Tasmanian football, bedeviled for years by north/south rivalry and cold weather. 

I remember an early visit to Hobart one weekend in the early 1980s when we were staying at Wrest Point, I shunned the casino and spent the morning walking around the nearby historic Battery Point. It was sunny in the morning and after lunch, I decided to head off to the football to watch the local club Sandy Bay which had been a powerhouse in the 1970s. Their ground was only a walk away but by early afternoon, the clouds were descending down Mount Wellington and the freezing wind came over us by quarter time. The attendance was in the hundreds but by half time it was already thinning out. The game wasn’t particularly entertaining and I left before the final break to find sanctuary and thaw out in the hotel sauna. Sandy Bay ceased to exist as a football club in the late 1990s. Other once strong clubs that operated in the major Tasmanian competitions like North Launceston and the Burnie Hawks are now defunct.

Way back in the day, Tasmania used to produce champion players by the truckload. Baldock, Howell, Stewart, “Tassie” Johnson, Hudson, Hart and so many more. It worked both ways because we once sent a player there, Ray Groom, to become the state premier. But more recently, the number of players being produced into AFL ranks has declined dramatically. 

Supporters of a Tasmanian team point to Geelong as a smaller region that produces plenty of local talent to support an elite AFL team but the number of quality players coming from the Geelong Falcons annually dwarfs the number coming from the Tassie Under 18 team. Who was the last champion player recruited from Tasmania?

There’s a lot more work to be done in Tasmania than to just build a 20,000 seat stadium with a roof. The AFL needs to fix the state of football there before it will have a club that can fare any better than the expansion clubs introduced in the past decade.

My fellow Tasmanians, congratulations on our team (and the swifty we pulled on the AFL)

One of the responses I received was from Ashley Browne who edits the AFL Record. He pointed out that while the AFL is putting in only $15m towards the stadium, it will contribute $100m towards football development in Tasmania.

 I think that’s all well and good but I’m still not so sure as to whether throwing money at the problem will be enough.

My information from Tassie friends is that the problem in the schools is that while one or two generations ago, footy was encouraged by teachers and played by almost everyone, that’s not happening these days and that teachers are nowhere near as involved in extra sporting activities as they were back then. How much spending over how many years will achieve a return to the former glory days?

Comments welcome from Tassie posters on DL?

 

TASMANIANS DRAFTED INTO THE AFL - THE LAST 10 YEARS

2013 Total: 8
National: Kade Kolodjashnij (Pick No.5, Gold Coast) Toby Nankervis (No.35, Sydney) Alex Pearce (No.37) Jake Kolodjashnij (No.41) Ben Brown (No.47, North Melbourne via Werribee) Brady Grey (No.58, Fremantle) 
Rookie: Eli Templeton (No.3, St Kilda) Zac Webster (No.48, Hawthorn)

2014 Total: 3
National: Lachie Weller (No.13, Fremantle via Southport), Josh Watts (No.65, Brisbane Lions) Josh McGuinness (No.81, Brisbane Lions) 

2015 Total: 4
National: Kieran Lovell (No.22, Hawthorn) Mitch Hibberd (No.33, North Melbourne) Mackenzie Willis (No.52, Gold Coast), Ryan Gardner (No.59, Geelong)

2016 Total: 1
Rookie: Robbie Fox (No.32, Sydney Swans via Coburg)

2017 Total: 2
National: Hugh Dixon (No.44, Fremantle)
Rookie: Brody Mihocek (No.22, Collingwood via Port Melbourne) 

2018 Total: 3
National: Tarryn Thomas (No.8, North Melbourne) Chayce Jones (No.9, Adelaide) Fraser Turner (No.58, Richmond) 

2019 Total: 2
Rookie: Mitch O’Neill (No.20, West Coast) Matt McGuinness (NGA, North Melbourne) 2020

2020 Total: 3
Rookie: Isaac Chugg (No.22, Collingwood) Patrick Walker (No.2, North Melbourne) Rhyan Mansell (PSS, Richmond via Woodville West Torrens)

2021 Total: 2
National: Sam Banks (No.29, Richmond) 
Mid-Season Rookie: Jackson Callow (No.17, Hawthorn via Norwood) 

2022 Total: 5
National: Lachlan Cowan (No.30, Carlton) Tom McCallum (No.36, Port Adelaide) 
Rookie: Cameron Owen (No.15, Sydney) Seth Campbell (No.10, Richmond) 
Mid-Season Rookie: Jye Menzie (No.15, Essendon via South Adelaide)

4 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

TASMANIANS DRAFTED INTO THE AFL - THE LAST 10 YEARS

2013 Total: 8
National: Kade Kolodjashnij (Pick No.5, Gold Coast) Toby Nankervis (No.35, Sydney) Alex Pearce (No.37) Jake Kolodjashnij (No.41) Ben Brown (No.47, North Melbourne via Werribee) Brady Grey (No.58, Fremantle) 
Rookie: Eli Templeton (No.3, St Kilda) Zac Webster (No.48, Hawthorn)

2014 Total: 3
National: Lachie Weller (No.13, Fremantle via Southport), Josh Watts (No.65, Brisbane Lions) Josh McGuinness (No.81, Brisbane Lions) 

2015 Total: 4
National: Kieran Lovell (No.22, Hawthorn) Mitch Hibberd (No.33, North Melbourne) Mackenzie Willis (No.52, Gold Coast), Ryan Gardner (No.59, Geelong)

2016 Total: 1
Rookie: Robbie Fox (No.32, Sydney Swans via Coburg)

2017 Total: 2
National: Hugh Dixon (No.44, Fremantle)
Rookie: Brody Mihocek (No.22, Collingwood via Port Melbourne) 

2018 Total: 3
National: Tarryn Thomas (No.8, North Melbourne) Chayce Jones (No.9, Adelaide) Fraser Turner (No.58, Richmond) 

2019 Total: 2
Rookie: Mitch O’Neill (No.20, West Coast) Matt McGuinness (NGA, North Melbourne) 2020

2020 Total: 3
Rookie: Isaac Chugg (No.22, Collingwood) Patrick Walker (No.2, North Melbourne) Rhyan Mansell (PSS, Richmond via Woodville West Torrens)

2021 Total: 2
National: Sam Banks (No.29, Richmond) 
Mid-Season Rookie: Jackson Callow (No.17, Hawthorn via Norwood) 

2022 Total: 5
National: Lachlan Cowan (No.30, Carlton) Tom McCallum (No.36, Port Adelaide) 
Rookie: Cameron Owen (No.15, Sydney) Seth Campbell (No.10, Richmond) 
Mid-Season Rookie: Jye Menzie (No.15, Essendon via South Adelaide)

Recent draftees could be anything I guess but I think the best 22 would just match Casey.

Edited May 5, 20231 yr by demosaw
Clarity

Did someone say a ferry will be required to get to the new stadium?

If so, I hope it is very big ferry!  Or it will be a very long wait...

tbh, waiting for a ferry would put me off going - getting thru the Richmond station turnstiles after a game is bad enough!

 

3 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Did someone say a ferry will be required to get to the new stadium?

If so, I hope it is very big ferry!  Or it will be a very long wait...

tbh, waiting for a ferry would put me off going - getting thru the Richmond station turnstiles after a game is bad enough!

 

I think the ferry comment might be if they stayed at Blundstone Luci. 
Big part of the reasoning for the new stadium is that it will be in a better more central location. 
As it’s on the river there could be ferry access but it’s very central and could be walked to from city centre. 

Long term Tassie will be strong with the local youngsters being funnelled there. Immediately might be a bit down but Hobart is a great town, aside from the peak half hour traffic. 

People saying ‘blokes won’t want to live there’ are just patronising everyone in the scenario, including themselves.

36 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Did someone say a ferry will be required to get to the new stadium?

If so, I hope it is very big ferry!  Or it will be a very long wait...

tbh, waiting for a ferry would put me off going - getting thru the Richmond station turnstiles after a game is bad enough!

 

no ferry needed, luci

new stadium is located similarly to cbd as the mcg is - ie 5 min walk

Even with the recent decline in production of AFL players from Tasmania. If you put the 24 players into a team and got them to go out and play, they'd at the very least be capable of getting a win against a few current AFL teams. Lack some depth in the midfield and small forwards, but it's certainly not a bad team on paper. 

FB: Jake Kolodjashnij (Geel), Alex Pearce (Frem), Ryan Mansell (Rich)

HB: Jeremy Howe (Coll), Liam Jones (Carl), Jimmy Webster (St K)

C: Aaron Hall (NM), Lachie Weller (GC), Lachie Cowan (Carl)

HF: Taryn Thomas (NM), Brodie Mihocek (Coll), Seth Campbell (Rich)

FF: Jack Riewoldt (Rich), Ben Brown (Melb), Jye Menzie (Ess)

FOLL: Toby Nankervis (Rich), Chayce Jones (Adel), Hugh Greenwood (NM)

INT: Sam Banks (Rich), Robbie Fox (Syd), Tom McCallum (PA), Andrew Phillips (Ess)

SUB: Ryan Gardner (WB)

EMERG: Cameron Owen (Syd)

Throw in a handful or Mainland free agents (one or two big names) and you have the makings of a competitive team.

Sorry if this has been posted before, but interesting re likely name:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/inside-the-afl-s-battle-with-warner-brothers-to-trademark-the-tasmania-devils/ar-AA1aPYzn?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=0498006959a94d73a130c9c186f9ecfb&ei=19

Also note the colours are 'myrtle, magenta and primrose'. Green, red and yellow are so yesterday. Can't wait for the tongue-twisting song.

On 5/6/2023 at 9:18 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

Did someone say a ferry will be required to get to the new stadium?

If so, I hope it is very big ferry!  Or it will be a very long wait...

tbh, waiting for a ferry would put me off going - getting thru the Richmond station turnstiles after a game is bad enough!

 

So... the ferry service, is actually an extension, upgrade of what they are looking at putting in place as a public transport network around various locations on the Derwent River, it's aimed more as a rapid transit, given that light rail is all but dead as a concept in Hobart. https://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/brown/media-release/smooth-sailing-derwent-ferries

But it's not required, it's just going to be one of the options to access the stadium.