Finals 2021

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,704]

13 hours ago, bingers said:

I think the bye will be the week after the Preliminary Finals.

Among other things, it would allow any concussed players to play. Imagine Oliver or Petracca getting a head knock in the Prelim and not being able to play in the GF!

Has to be after the prelim Bingers, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have a break before the prelim.

There is a multitude of reasons to have it after the prelim with concussion to a player and the recovery being one of the most important by far.

 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,704]

In my humble opinion and our formline interstate over the past 5 years, if we are to forced to play any of our finals in a state other than Vic (MCG) it has to be played at the Adelaide Oval.

We have a good record at the Oval, the players enjoy the ground, vibe, atmosphere and memories it has provided them but key its a short trip home to recuperate/ train back in Vic until the Prelim.

Of course this would only be the case if we weren't playing against Port in either of the finals matches we participate in. 

After that i have no idea which way the club would swim.

We don't want to be going all the way to Perth beforehand only for the GF. (if required)

Edited August 17, 2021 by Win4theAges

[titan_uranus 25,020]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Port Adelaide don’t really scare me but last time we played them they had a a fair few players out so it is tough to judge them properly but I think they are still my preferred opponent (not in Adelaide though).

On current form I'd have the Bulldogs as my preferred opponent.

Port away from Adelaide Oval is a beatable side but as you say, they've been reintegrating missing stars into their 22 the last few weeks and they're probably as good now as they've been all year, whereas the Dogs I think are tracking the other way.

[Deemania since 56 6,659]

On 8/15/2021 at 10:49 AM, Dr. Gonzo said:

If there will be no finals at the G due to no crowds why would there be a final in Geelong?

Sometimes earmarking the status of it all is part of the Cats'-psyche, regardless of fans, crowds, spectators and members. It is a wanton display of supreme importance that seems to appease the folks down the coastal highway and a final in Geelong would address these needs - hence, the rest of the Viccy clubs can go jump in the lake; the Cats become their own leading hierarchy of football prestige. It is akin to being the destination of choice for some.

With the next pre-finals games and respective distribution of ladder positions, I firmly believe that this frontal arrogance of the Cats is about to implode - thanks to the mighty Dees.  The bargaining powers of a losing team (Geelong) severely limits their kitty of credibility in the clamour of possible opportunity to 'host' a finals game. It is also grossly unconventional, in the first instance. 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Deemania since 56

[rpfc 28,542]

Tassie or SA would be best options IMO.

[The heart beats true 18,128]

Everyone in the media keeps waffling on about The Derby as some sort of proof of how good the finals will be in WA. If Melbourne play the Bulldogs in finals in Perth I can’t see more than 20k attending (if it’s not the GF), and half of them will be impartial types who won’t make much noise and spend half the time at the bar. That’s what I’d be doing if I scored tickets to Freo Vs the Eagles at Marvel, and that’s if I could be bothered going.

Is it really worth it? What’s been the point of the season if the teams that have earned the right to host games at their venues don’t get the option? 

[old55 23,625]

I think if Geelong earns the right to a home final it should be at Kardinia Park if fans can't go.

[daisycutter 29,622]

9 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

I think if Geelong earns the right to a home final it should be at Kardinia Park if fans can't go.

personally couldn't care less.....unless it's us playing

however, if i were geelong i'd rather at this stage be playing on the mcg as this is more the size of ground to win a flag on, rather than their skinny non-standard cardinia park

[Demonland 72,236]

[Monocology 1,109]

17 hours ago, Demonland said:

Scenario 1 – Melbourne (1) v Port Adelaide (4)

Melbourne will host Port Adelaide in a home final if:

Melbourne defeats Geelong AND the Western Bulldogs defeat Port Adelaide.

Scenario 2 – Melbourne (1) v Brisbane (4)

Melbourne will host Brisbane in a home final if:

Melbourne defeats Geelong AND Port Adelaide defeats the Western Bulldogs AND Brisbane defeats West Coast and make up 1.8 percent on the Dogs (approximately a 30-point differential eg. If the Dogs lose by 10 points, the Lions will need to win by 20 points).

Scenario 3 – Melbourne (1) v Western Bulldogs (4)

Melbourne will host the Western Bulldogs in a home final if:

Melbourne defeats Geelong AND Port Adelaide defeats the Western Bulldogs AND Brisbane is defeated by West Coast, or Brisbane defeat West Coast but fail to make up 1.8 percent on the Dogs.

Scenario 4 – Melbourne (2) v Western Bulldogs (3)

Melbourne will host the Western Bulldogs in a home final if:

Geelong defeats Melbourne AND the Western Bulldogs defeat Port Adelaide.

Scenario 5 – Geelong (2) v Melbourne (3)

Geelong will host Melbourne in a home final if:

Geelong defeats Melbourne AND Port Adelaide defeats the Western Bulldogs and make up 1.3 percent on the Cats (approximately a 20-point differential eg. If the Cats win by 10 points, the Power will need to win by 30 points).

Scenario 6 – Port Adelaide (2) v Melbourne (3)

Port Adelaide will host Melbourne in a home final if:

Geelong defeats Melbourne AND Port Adelaide defeats the Western Bulldogs but fail to make up 1.3 percent on the Cats.

Can you do scenario 3 but without the mayonnaise??

[leave it to deever 17,511]

Does anyone have a list of number of finals games played by each of our current squad?

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,863]

Finally some common sense from a member of the media and it came from Craig Hutchison of all people.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=1235356780219049&external_log_id=56450b80-b880-41c1-b1da-6efd107b84d6&q=footy classified

Whilst the entire media are infatuated with the Dream Time and the bells and whistles that Optus Stadium would provide for a grand final, Hutchison correctly points out that McGowan will shut the grand final down on the back of one case - ONE CASE!!! Even it hits on the morning of grand final day.

How can the AFL possibly take such a risk hosting our show case event in the most risk averse state run by the most risk averse premier. It would be an absolute farce if the grand final was played behind closed doors after weeks of hype and excitement.

Plus the fact that he won't allow player's families to come across for the game will be sure to upset the player and club fraternity. 

Play the GF elsewhere or the league could find itself in the most embarrassing of situations.

 

[old55 23,625]

Surely if the GF in in Perth and players have to go over a quarantine - say at the Joondalup resort - they will be able to take their immediate families with them if they want to, so the family members can at attend the ground?

Edited August 17, 2021 by Pollyanna

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,863]

11 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

Surely if the GF in in Perth and players have to go over a quarantine - say at the Joondalup resort - they will be able to take their immediate families with them if they want to, so the family members can at attend the ground?

No. Immediate family members will not be permitted in the state at this stage

Everything is on McGowans terms and the AFL should look elsewhere.

[Pates 9,660]

I must say I agree with Hutchie in this instance, I understand that plans must begin to take shape but WA have taken a zero COVID approach in the harshest sense of the word this entire pandemic. While I don't agree with their tactics or methods, it is their choice to do it so why risk the showpiece event of the AFL going ahead with no crowds in WA when options are on the table.

Call it selfish but I think that the AFL and Victoria should hold onto the plan A of a GF at the MCG until the latest possible moment, and I would call that 2 weeks before the original date in place. Optus stadium is a fantastic venue, but WA shouldn't be trusted with this.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

On current form I'd have the Bulldogs as my preferred opponent.

Port away from Adelaide Oval is a beatable side but as you say, they've been reintegrating missing stars into their 22 the last few weeks and they're probably as good now as they've been all year, whereas the Dogs I think are tracking the other way.

Despite their forward line not being great the Bulldogs’ midfielders can get on top of ours which is a big worry.

[Demongirl35 1,056]

Apparently AFL aren’t too confident with WA’s premier on what would happen if they got a case near grand final day and the AFL are prepared to suspend the grand final in hopes vic can get it right.. 

Don’t shoot the messenger, read it somewhere could be herald sun or something but thought I’d share 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,863]

4 minutes ago, Demongirl35 said:

Apparently AFL aren’t too confident with WA’s premier on what would happen if they got a case near grand final day and the AFL are prepared to suspend the grand final in hopes vic can get it right.. 

Don’t shoot the messenger, read it somewhere could be herald sun or something but thought I’d share 

I hope your mail’s right.

As mentioned above, I can’t fathom how Perth is an option given their absolutely zero tolerance to COVID.

[BDA 22,759]

McGowan reckons he'll keep border restrictions in place even when the WA population is fully vaxxed. There must be political rationale for doing so but there's no common sense. I think he's power drunk. He definitely can't be trusted. The bloke in charge in SA is another power junkie. 

Anastasia did a good job last year so why not the Gabba again this year if all else fails

Edited August 17, 2021 by BDA

[rpfc 28,542]

Vic govt and AFL could get it done if they are comfy eating the [censored] that will come with;

Not allowing under 16s, unvaccinated, those without neg tests inside two days, having a mask mandate, and fully ticketed with ID proof on entry.

Concession stands are an issue. You could close or have them open and own the risk with masks off while eating/drinking in seats with no bars to stand in close spaces.

But this takes courage and conviction and it will also lead to protestors in Yarra park on the day I reckon.

[chookrat 4,257]

10 minutes ago, BDA said:

McGowan reckons he'll keep border restrictions in place even when the WA population is fully vaxxed. There must be political rationale for doing so but there's no common sense. I think he's power drunk. He definitely can't be trusted. The bloke in charge in SA is another power junkie. 

Anastasia did a good job last year so why not the Gabba again this year if all else fails

For WA there is no real benefit in opening up the the rest of Australia until international borders open. They have no community transmission, their economy is ticking along nicely, pubs are full, and holiday destinations are fully booked with locals. It doesn't make sense for them to open up until things open up to the point where locals want to venture interstate or overseas.

[Willmoy1947 4,101]

I can see it now " the great Western invasion". People dying in the  desert never to be found again.

[BDA 22,759]

8 minutes ago, chookrat said:

It doesn't make sense for them to open up until things open up to the point where locals want to venture interstate or overseas.

Will WA be vaxxed quicker than the rest of the country (maybe it will, i don;t know). If it won't and the locals want to keep the border closed anyways they may as well secede. 

[Demonland 72,236]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Does anyone have a list of number of finals games played by each of our current squad?

I’ll see if I can dig that up but here is a list of each teams total finals experience. 

[DubDee 25,921]

Why isnt Adelaide being seriously considered for the finals/GF.  seems the best option to me.  closer to other cities, no quarantine, no [censored] for a premier, only a few thousand less capacity