Jump to content

Jack Viney Suspended for 2 Weeks

Demons11
Demons11
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Ease up Lucifer, you don't know what you're talking about.

Serious Misconduct is not defined in the AFL's Tribunal Guidelines.

There is nothing within that phrase which requires a player to make contact to any particular part of the body.

The charge against Viney is that he committed serious misconduct. He pleaded guilty to that. Without the benefit of a "charge sheet" (if such a thing is given to a player) or otherwise the transcript of precisely what he was asked to plead to, I reckon you and anyone else criticising Anderson should ease off.

I believe, the specific charge was outlined at the beginning of the hearing.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero

  • Quote
    •  
    4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Hard to do when Gleeson told the Tribunal to treat Viney's evidence as 'nonsense'.

    Again, not correct.

    Gleeson for the AFL is asking, not telling, the Tribunal to treat Viney's evidence as "nonsense".

    That's a submission on behalf of the AFL, which the Tribunal is at liberty to accept, or reject.

    Gleeson doesn't "tell" the Tribunal anything.

    Viney has given evidence the contact was to Collins' jaw. The Tribunal will consider that evidence as well as the footage and will decide what it thinks about where the contact was. It is relevant, but not necessarily critical, that Collins has not been heard from. It will also be relevant as to what was in any medical report (e.g. does the medical report say anything about throat contact?).

  • Quote
    1 minute ago, BDA said:

    video evidence inconclusive and no evidence presented to confirm contact was with the throat. On what basis can the jury convict?

    Umpire’s call I reckon. Play on.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    1 minute ago, BDA said:

    video evidence inconclusive and no evidence presented to confirm contact was with the throat. On what basis can the jury convict?

    Collins has a pin head?

  • Quote

    Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

    The specific charge was outlined at the beginning of the hearing.

    What was said other than "Serious Misconduct"?

  • Quote

    As we know the AFL Are clueless when it comes to players outside their protected guys. The change of plea bothers me I  have NO IDEA how this will play out

    Edited by picket fence

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    15 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

    Agree.  Are they allowed to call the other player in to give evidence? 

    Idk about nowadays, but back in the day there was an unspoken pact, if you will, among players to not “rat out” another player, regardless of what actually happened on the field. 
    Before anyone jumps on me saying that’s never how it was, I’m just going by what my Year 12 Geography teacher told me. His name was Geoff Southby and I guess he’d know, right?

    Edited by WalkingCivilWar

  • Quote
    •  
    Just now, picket fence said:

    As we know the AFL Are clueless when it comes to players outside their protected guys. The change of plea bothers me I reckon 1 as token gesture

    And then we should appeal! ?

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Legal 101

    With a guilty plea you discuss with the prosecution whatwill be alleged.

    Hell they even give you the summary

    Goes way more than the technical charge

  • Quote

    9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Hard to do when Gleeson told the Tribunal to treat Viney's evidence as 'nonsense'.

    Based on the AFL website, Gleeson is almost saying Viney is lying:  On Viney's evidence that contact was to the jaw, he says: "You'll have no difficulty rejecting that submission when you look at the evidence ... he's given evidence that is flatly inconsistent with what he knew he did."

    Bit of a stretch by a leagle eagle.

    I'm always staggered when humans see completely different things on video footage, and are adamant that their view is the correct one, but it happens a lot. Based on that alone though, the jury can't realistically deliberate with certainty that it either was the neck or jaw. I have a feeling though that the question will be mostly redundant in the end. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    The jury has decided Viney is guilty as charged by the AFL.
     
    They find Viney made forceful, prolonged contact with his elbow to the neck/throat region of Collins
  • Quote
    Just now, Demons11 said:

    Found guilty 

    Reckon he gets 3, even though the AFL asked for 2+.

  • Quote

    What a joke.

  • Quote

    That's crap. You can see Jacks elbow is over Collins hairline over his ear!

     

    image.png.c1e24ef089b15a4f79ccefc0a6bc8cc5.png

    Edited by McQueen

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
    11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    Again, not correct.

    Gleeson for the AFL is asking, not telling, the Tribunal to treat Viney's evidence as "nonsense".

    That's a submission on behalf of the AFL, which the Tribunal is at liberty to accept, or reject.

    Gleeson doesn't "tell" the Tribunal anything.

    Ok, suggested.  Even suggesting Viney's evidence is 'nonsense' makes it difficult for the Tribunal to take Viney's word as was proposed in the post I was responding to

    9 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    What was said other than "Serious Misconduct"?

    From AFL report:

    2 hours ago
    SERIOUS MISCONDUCT
     
    AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson describes Viney's offence as the pinning of the opponent to the ground and pressing and holding his elbow into the neck/throat region for a prolonged period of about five seconds with force.
     
    Whichever way people spin it, Anderson should have checked if his interpretation re the jaw was correct before Viney put in a plea not at the time the penalty was to be decided.

    Edited by Lucifer's Hero

  • Quote

    guilty as charged. on no evidence. what a joke

    gotta appeal this BS

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    • Author
    1 minute ago, BDA said:

    guilty as charged. on no evidence. what a joke

    gotta appeal this BS

    Surely the only way they can appeal is if Collins testifies 

  • Quote

    10 minutes of deliberation and came to the conclusion it was the neck/throat without asking Collins. Or their mind was made up already. 

  • Quote
    •  

    What a stitch up, was guilty before he walked in the door, appeal and actually get Collins to testify 

  • Quote

    • Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • NON-MFC: Round 06

      The Easter Round kicks off in style with a Thursday night showdown between Brisbane and Collingwood, as both sides look to solidify their spots inside the Top 4 early in the season. Good Friday brings a double-header, with Carlton out to claim consecutive wins when they face the struggling Kangaroos, while later that night the Eagles host the Bombers in Perth, still chasing their first victory of the year. Saturday features another marquee clash as the resurgent Crows look to rebound from back-to-back losses against a formidable GWS outfit. That evening, all eyes will be on Marvel Stadium where Damien Hardwick returns to face his old side—the Tigers—coaching the Suns at a ground he's never hidden his disdain for. Sunday offers two crucial contests where the prize is keeping touch with the Top 8. First, Sydney and Port Adelaide go head-to-head, followed by a fierce battle between the Bulldogs and the Saints. Then, Easter Monday delivers the traditional clash between two bitter rivals, both desperate for a win to stay in touch with the top end of the ladder. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons?

        • Thanks
      • 9 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Essendon

      What were they thinking? I mean by “they” the coaching panel and team selectors who chose the team to play against an opponent who, like Melbourne, had made a poor start to the season and who they appeared perfectly capable of beating in what was possibly the last chance to turn the season around.It’s no secret that the Demons’ forward line is totally dysfunctional, having opened the season barely able to average sixty points per game which means there has been no semblance of any system from the team going forward into attack. Nevertheless, on Saturday night at the Adelaide Oval in one of the Gather Round showcase games, Melbourne, with Max Gawn dominating the hit outs against a depleted Essendon ruck resulting from Nick Bryan’s early exit, finished just ahead in clearances won and found itself inside the 50 metre arc 51 times to 43. The end result was a final score that had the Bombers winning 15.6 (96) to 8.9 (57). On balance, one could expect this to result in a two or three goal win, but in this case, it translated into a six and a half goal defeat because they only managed to convert eight times or 11.68% of their entries. The Bombers more than doubled that. On Thursday night at the same ground, the losing team Adelaide managed to score 100 points from almost the same number of times inside 50.

        • Sad
        • Clap
        • Like
      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: Essendon

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 14th April @ the all new time of 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect another Demons loss at Kardinia Park to the Cats in the Round 04. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

        • Thanks
      • 59 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Fremantle

      The Demons return home to the MCG in search of their first win for the 2025 Premiership season when they take on the Fremantle Dockers on Saturday afternoon. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 195 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • VOTES: Essendon

      Max Gawn leads the Demonland Player of the Year ahead of Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Kade Chandler and Jake Bowey. Your votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1.

        • Thanks
      • 24 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • POSTGAME: Essendon

      Despite a spirited third quarter surge, the Demons have slumped to their worst start to a season since 2012, remaining winless and second last on the ladder after a 39-point defeat to Essendon at Adelaide Oval in Gather Round.

        • Vomit
        • Sad
        • Thanks
      • 271 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All