2 hours ago, Bimbo said:

He is too young for them

Maybe he could stage some arthritic condition, if he was serious about playing for the Catty Puts. Might fit in, then. 

4 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Irrelevant due to their upstart demands being regularly met by the AFL, and ability to offer top dollar to the player as a nurturant incentive.

Of course, the Cats will simply call Gil and demand an upgrade of pick 27 to 8 in order for them to land a 200cm 70kg young ruckman from another club’s NGA region. Sounds fair to me.

On 7/13/2021 at 7:36 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Jack, he ain't coming to us. He's highly rated within recruiters and clubs, and will easily go top 15 on form.

Time to let it go mate..

Where do you think Geelong Falcons ruckman Toby Conway is going to be selected? He’s highly regarded by Cal Twomey who had him in the first ruck (ahead of Mac Andrew) in his draft team of the year.

ESPN’s Chris Doerre (Knightmare) says Mac Andrew is the real thing ~

AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: NGA prospect Mac Andrew stands out for Vic Country, launches into first round contention

It needed to be a better system where a club would need to demonstrate an ongoing commitment and investment to a certain level, into both boys and girls footy in their NGA to be eligible to select those kids. And not purely in a year where they were likely to pick up a star through shear luck. An investment over several years prior to eligibility.

I think a well thought out system would've actually been better for footy. Instead the AFL has flubbed it and the northern clubs retain their advantage.

5 hours ago, Apocalypse XXXI said:

Where do you think Geelong Falcons ruckman Toby Conway is going to be selected? He’s highly regarded by Cal Twomey who had him in the first ruck (ahead of Mac Andrew) in his draft team of the year.

They’re two completely different players. Conway is a pure ruckman in the mould of Sean Darcy of the Dockers. Not yet as solid but his 90kg is a good start. Andrew is like a very much undeveloped Naitanui and a more mobile type who could play key position at either end but is a fair way off. 

16 minutes ago, Leopold Bloom said:

They’re two completely different players. Conway is a pure ruckman in the mould of Sean Darcy of the Dockers. Not yet as solid but his 90kg is a good start. Andrew is like a very much undeveloped Naitanui and a more mobile type who could play key position at either end but is a fair way off. 

Haven’t seen either - but is Mac anything like, as a player, Maibol Chol ( who is playing a decent game tonight)?

10 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

sounds like mac andrew will be a top 10 pick at this stage

https://www.afl.com.au/news/647954/twomey-s-draft-team-of-the-year-merrett-2-0-athletic-ruck-enter-top-10-talks

Mac Andrew's performance for Vic Country in last week's under-19 clash with Vic Metro was particularly eye-catching and sees the athletic ruckman/forward come back into the team of the year after missing several weeks through concussion.

Andrew has elevated himself into being a likely top-10 selection, meaning Melbourne would be unable to match a bid on the Next Generation Academy prospect.

I literally said he'd be top 10 about a week ago. The Nik Cox evolution has probably helped Mac Andrews go up the board. 

9 hours ago, monoccular said:

Haven’t seen either - but is Mac anything like, as a player, Maibol Chol ( who is playing a decent game tonight)?

It’s Maibor Chol actually and they have similar South Sudanese backgrounds. There’s five years difference in age and development, same height and Chol weighs 23kg more. Andrew has a bit more bounce and agility in him going from the vision I’ve seen of him but yes, he might become the same type of player that Chol is in 5 year’s time.

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2 hours ago, Leopold Bloom said:

It’s Maibor Chol actually and they have similar South Sudanese backgrounds. There’s five years difference in age and development, same height and Chol weighs 23kg more. Andrew has a bit more bounce and agility in him going from the vision I’ve seen of him but yes, he might become the same type of player that Chol is in 5 year’s time.

It's MABIOR CHOL actually. 

I can see the Sudanese boys being overrepresented in the AFL in coming years, especially once they develop the innate game sense that comes with generations of playing the game. They certainly have the physical attributes that the game is moving towards.

 

3 hours ago, faultydet said:

It's MABIOR CHOL actually. 

I can see the Sudanese boys being overrepresented in the AFL in coming years, especially once they develop the innate game sense that comes with generations of playing the game. They certainly have the physical attributes that the game is moving towards.

 

Thanks. I stand corrected. This is definitely one of the things that the NGA is for and why the clubs should be rewarded if they have had a role in the player’s development. 

I came across this unusual quote about ruck draft prospects for 2021 from Knightmare on bigfooty -

“For ruck options there are none better than Toby Conway, he probably goes second or third round. Mac Andrew (Melbourne NGA) is the other good ruck prospect, though he could be bid on first round and I can't imagine would drop into the mid draft range (in which case he'd have his bid matched presumably). Outside of those two, there aren't any other rucks I'd be endorsing for picking in the national draft, with perhaps a Liam Podhajski more-so appropriate for selection as a rookie if you miss on a Conway.”

Anyone else think there’s something unusual about his comments?

19 minutes ago, Leopold Bloom said:

Thanks. I stand corrected. This is definitely one of the things that the NGA is for and why the clubs should be rewarded if they have had a role in the player’s development. 

I came across this unusual quote about ruck draft prospects for 2021 from Knightmare on bigfooty -

“For ruck options there are none better than Toby Conway, he probably goes second or third round. Mac Andrew (Melbourne NGA) is the other good ruck prospect, though he could be bid on first round and I can't imagine would drop into the mid draft range (in which case he'd have his bid matched presumably). Outside of those two, there aren't any other rucks I'd be endorsing for picking in the national draft, with perhaps a Liam Podhajski more-so appropriate for selection as a rookie if you miss on a Conway.”

Anyone else think there’s something unusual about his comments?

seems he's only talking of victorians though

It seems the versatility and upside of Andrew is going to be as attractive as that of Jackson, albeit with less exposed form?

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

It seems the versatility and upside of Andrew is going to be as attractive as that of Jackson, albeit with less exposed form?

Think Jackson started off around a top ten  contender and went to us at pick 3, didn’t he?

10 minutes ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Think Jackson started off around a top ten  contender and went to us at pick 3, didn’t he?

Jackson was also +24kgs

On 7/16/2021 at 3:48 PM, Apocalypse XXXI said:

Where do you think Geelong Falcons ruckman Toby Conway is going to be selected? He’s highly regarded by Cal Twomey who had him in the first ruck (ahead of Mac Andrew) in his draft team of the year.

Looked impressive when he played for the Academy. 

To put all this Academy stuff into perspective -  my nephew just got accepted into an AFL academy through the school he’s going to attend. He’s 11. He’s a ripping player for his age, but there’s a long way to go between now and 18, and it highlights the way the system works. The kids are babies when they get access to this stuff - hence why few of them actually come into the AFL.

Nah, actually I just posted this to brag about my nephew. He’s a legend! We are definitely drinking our own bath water at my place tonight. ?

I read that gws has 1200 kids in their academy 

2 hours ago, drdrake said:

I read that gws has 1200 kids in their academy 

….. and I suppose GW$ will get “special consideration” both financially and in list numbers so that they can all play for them ??

9 hours ago, monoccular said:

….. and I suppose GW$ will get “special consideration” both financially and in list numbers so that they can all play for them ??

Sign any kid they can lock them away just in case they are any good

I have a grandson aged 15 in one of the Saints' academies. Next game up if it happens (depends on lifting the lockdown) is against a Demons NGA team. Already feeling a conflict of interest.

This whole situation is so frustrating. We finally get access to an academy pick and a great prospect in Mac and we're going to have him whisked away, thanks to a rule change. Fantastic.

12 minutes ago, Luther said:

This whole situation is so frustrating. We finally get access to an academy pick and a great prospect in Mac and we're going to have him whisked away, thanks to a rule change. Fantastic.

Not so fast - nobody has drafted Mac Andrew yet and there are four months to go to the National Draft. Someone has to risk a top 20 pick to get him and, as far as I'm concerned, there’s still a disconnect between the swooning in some quarters over him and the limited evidence of consistent performances that would put him in the top 10 or 15 as claimed. This is what we know -

After some good form in the opening two NAB League games, his form dropped and then he was concussed in the first 5 minutes of a game on 20 June and missed a few weeks as a result. In the meantime, there was that 9 possession game with low hit out and marking numbers for the Academy team v Geelong in late April with the majority of the stats accumulated in the last quarter in a team beaten by over 100 points. The vision is available and it's not spectacular.

His only other game since was the 2021 U19 Challenge where he represented Vic Country and received mixed reports.

Not everyone is on board over Mac at this stage - he still has to prove himself. The lockdown isn't helping his cause.

13 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Not so fast - nobody has drafted Mac Andrew yet and there are four months to go to the National Draft. Someone has to risk a top 20 pick to get him and, as far as I'm concerned, there’s still a disconnect between the swooning in some quarters over him and the limited evidence of consistent performances that would put him in the top 10 or 15 as claimed. This is what we know -

After some good form in the opening two NAB League games, his form dropped and then he was concussed in the first 5 minutes of a game on 20 June and missed a few weeks as a result. In the meantime, there was that 9 possession game with low hit out and marking numbers for the Academy team v Geelong in late April with the majority of the stats accumulated in the last quarter in a team beaten by over 100 points. The vision is available and it's not spectacular.

 

His only other game since was the 2021 U19 Challenge where he represented Vic Country and received mixed reports.

 

 

Not everyone is on board over Mac at this stage - he still has to prove himself. The lockdown isn't helping his cause.

 

Doesn't need to.

Clubs still use a stack a footage from this year and previous years throughout their junior career. Didn't last years draft prove that?

Max Holmes was drafted inside the top 20 on the back of 1 NAB League game in 2019. Raw skinny athlete who had enough athletic potential in forcing Geelong to jump the que to get him.

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3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Doesn't need to.

Clubs still use a stack a footage from this year and previous years throughout their junior career. Didn't last years draft prove that?

Max Holmes was drafted inside the top 20 on the back of 1 NAB League game in 2019. Raw skinny athlete who had enough athletic potential in forcing Geelong to jump the que to get him.

Holmes was taken with pick 20 and Geelong did acquire a draft pick to get him but last year’s draft proved nothing given there were no games at all during the season as a benchmark. Clubs had no choice but to sift through whatever footage they had from the past.

What WJ is saying is that the jury’s out and time will tell as to whether clubs want to take the punt on him.