CHANGES: Rd 17 vs Port Adelaide

[Demon Dynasty 17,130]

10 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

All for Jay getting a run but he hasn’t played a forward role for a long time. He did come to the club as a forward though, and did well in his first few matches there. 

I'm not saying it's a permanent option by any means Mel.  I just think he looks on at the moment and playing intense footy.  Of course that doesn't necessarily convert to a serviceable game in the seniors but who knows.

He has played this role before and I've seen him play it quite well on a few occasions.  Other times not so good.

But sometimes it comes down to hunger PLUS ability.

I reckon he knows what's required from a work rate perspective at senior level and is pushing hard for another crack.

He offers intensity, hunger and some experience up forward.  He also might bring the pressure inside 50 that's been lacking the last three to four matches.

Spargo & Kozzie are officially both off their early season form and neither have hit those heights in the last three weeks.

Couldn't be worse than those two given where they're at right now.  Both need a spell IMO and in Kozzie's case a decent refresher to try and find some early form again.  They are a large part of the reason we are dropping winnable games lately.  One.goal a week between the two of them is just not sustainable at this level and neither is bringing enough heat on the opp inside 50.

Reckon he is worthy of a chance and who knows, he might have matured and might just take it!

Edited July 4, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,766]

On 7/3/2021 at 11:05 PM, COOLX said:

In B.Brown (nervous selection ) ,Vanderberg , Melksham, Jones  Out Pickett, Viney, Brayshaw and Jordan 

We just have weid the axe before it is too late ....... 3 to 5 changes.

Why would BBB be a nervous selection? We need to find out whether he can sink or swim the time is now lad.

[Skuit 10,031]

13 hours ago, monoccular said:

PS. Just saying, Weed was in those teams too.  
Association does not equate to causation. 

Weid only played the one match together with Brown - when neither kicked any goals against Carlton. Jackson then came back in and Brown was dumped in favour of Weid for the Adelaide match.

While it was evident Brown wasn't in top form despite his 5 goals over the previous two weeks, he wasn't given the opportunity to build back into it. His omission then and since has been down to bad timing and a number of issues effecting selection. 

We were 9-0 at the time with two KPFs having been knocking down the door, and one too many talls. Jackson was providing ruck relief. Brown had a block of three games and wasn't performing to optimum level. Weid comes in for his turn and then the VFL gets shut down. They probably saw it as an opportunity to build some extra fitness into Brown. 

I believe that Brown and Fritsch with TMac is our best set-up. Brown's running patterns alone will create the space that Fritch thrives on. But we need to back in a set-up and let it build cohesion. This could have been the case by now if only Weid was initially selected to come in ahead of Brown - the latter who was given less of a chance than usual due to surplus.  

 

[Older demon 2,799]

11 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

I was at the game and my observation was that in several moments throughout the game the GWS players were more desperate to get in first in the 50/50 contests and consequently took possession and took control of the play far more often than we did. 

This is an attitudinal issue first and foremost 

Correct observation and after listening to a post match Giants interview I find they were more desperate. Just as Collingwood attacked the game against us for Buckley, GWS after 2 ordinary games made this their line in the sand game . In both instances we had a slow start and din't match the intensity and lost.

I sincerely hope we are treating P.A as a must win and go hard from the start. We are the hunted now and need to adjust to that if we want long term success

[titan_uranus 25,176]

People have suggested Petty and Hunt forward.

We won't fix our problems by creating more.

Hunt's most consistent football in years has been in the backline this year. He's a game removed from one of his better performances on AMT. He stays right where he's been all year.

Ditto Petty, for whom we don't have a good replacement anyway (don't tell me Majak Daw can play his role, he hasn't played FB for Casey all year).

[DubDee 26,306]

So much talk about our fwd line when the game was clearly lost in the midfield 

pressure, intensity, clearances are the issues that need fixing

[jumbo returns 6,741]

This ?

No change - set the intensity from the get go

Drop Kosi? Madness 

Listen to The Sunday Footy Show? Madness

Kane Cornes gave Toby Green 7 votes for 7 possessions

Adem Yze said that Ben Brown has been out of hard, competitive footy for 18 months and they are well aware where he's at

We'll beat Port if we don't let them waltz through the corridor - watch the suffocation of the Dogs' ball movement 

Weid or Brown - not the answer

And Majak? Please let him enjoy his time playing for Casey - next level is beyond him

[old55 23,834]

The last two weeks we have scored 16.27 to 17.19 from 112 to 105 i50s - we have got to get better in this area and B.Brown can make a difference there.

The major change we need to make is improve centre clearance - whether this is personnel or set-up or both, I'm not sure.  But we won't win the flag if the ball starts in our D50 after a majority of centre bounces.  We should be better with Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes etc available.  The challenge is there for Goodwin and Yze ...

[Adam The God 30,611]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Bowey is your man ,get him in

Bowey has spent the entire year playing back. He won't suddenly be brought in to play forward.

[Superunknown 4,241]

Someone here said it a while ago - good kicking is good footy.
For the love of all that is good, can we please straighten up?

None of these silly bananas.

[Demon17 5,227]

39 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

People have suggested Petty and Hunt forward.

We won't fix our problems by creating more.

Hunt's most consistent football in years has been in the backline this year. He's a game removed from one of his better performances on AMT. He stays right where he's been all year.

Ditto Petty, for whom we don't have a good replacement anyway (don't tell me Majak Daw can play his role, he hasn't played FB for Casey all year).

Great post TU.

. I would be mortified to move Hunt from defence. he's a key and helps with Langdon's running patterns. I forgive the brain fades this last game. Its just not his forte to dodge and weave.  He has been a big improver IMO

[deanox 10,045]

2 hours ago, Skuit said:

I believe that Brown and Fritsch with TMac is our best set-up. Brown's running patterns alone will create the space that Fritch thrives on. But we need to back in a set-up and let it build cohesion.

I agree with this. I think. Weid is competing with TMac for a spot. They both like to cover the ground a bit more, and when Weid is stuck at home he often struggles to get the the ball drop for while reason.

Coincidentally this was the 2018 set up that worked too.

I think Jackson fits in this just fine because he is versatile, good below his knees, and his primary role is 2nd ruck / resting forward.

I know forward connection is a bit of a joke but connection is built on leading patterns, consistency and trust. At the moment every week it's a different set up and it's hard without a "bail out option" when nothing else presents.

Brown's straight line running and leading should straighten us up and give a first target for the eyes. His long leads will create space behind and around him for players like Fritsch and Jackson to drop into. And while he may not be a strong pack mark he at least is a stay at home tall, which means there is always something to hit, instead of trying to spot up Spargo or Pickett.

The lack of VFL has really made it hard this year, so I hope we haven't left it too late.

[jnrmac 20,276]

ANB going under the radar. Been average for weeks I reckon,

1st qtr he made some awful decisions and set the tone.

Had a free kick 70m out, his man on the mark was prostrate on the ground and he just sat there and wited for him to get up instead of taking off and getting the ball deep inside 50

He is somewhat undroppable under Goodwin but needs to lift IMO

[Jaded No More 68,975]

Vanders doesn’t bring anything into the side we don’t already have. We don’t need more defensive mids. We need attacking players with flair and forwards. 

[titan_uranus 25,176]

2 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

The last two weeks we have scored 16.27 to 17.19 from 112 to 105 i50s - we have got to get better in this area and B.Brown can make a difference there.

The major change we need to make is improve centre clearance - whether this is personnel or set-up or both, I'm not sure.  But we won't win the flag if the ball starts in our D50 after a majority of centre bounces.  We should be better with Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes etc available.  The challenge is there for Goodwin and Yze ...

Agree.

The centre clearance issue IMO is one of momentum. By being beaten in there so regularly, we couldn't generate any momentum against GWS. We'd kick a goal but then immediately give GWS a sniff by conceding the next centre clearance. 

We're good at generating scoring chains from our back half but we're better when the ball is locked into our forward half and it's too hard to keep the ball where we want it if our opponent wins the clearances as often as GWS did.

[deanox 10,045]

35 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

ANB going under the radar. Been average for weeks I reckon,

1st qtr he made some awful decisions and set the tone.

Had a free kick 70m out, his man on the mark was prostrate on the ground and he just sat there and wited for him to get up instead of taking off and getting the ball deep inside 50

He is somewhat undroppable under Goodwin but needs to lift IMO

Agree. Definitely under the microscope right now.

In his favour is that he once again converted the 2nd most ground on field and had our most sprint efforts, meaning he is probably playing a big role in our system.

But his stats and impact have levelled off, and he needs to start having a bigger impact again.

 

For me he is the anti Melksham. I don't think Melksham does enough or works hard enough but there are a handful of times a game where he is devastatingly effective for us with respect to setting up a scoring opportunity. 

Can we afford to carry both Spargo and Melksham? Two players who probably don't do enough work but create scores? 

Who else can bring the tank and system role that ANB brings? 

[Fat Tony 5,306]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

People have suggested Petty and Hunt forward.

We won't fix our problems by creating more.

Hunt's most consistent football in years has been in the backline this year. He's a game removed from one of his better performances on AMT. He stays right where he's been all year.

Ditto Petty, for whom we don't have a good replacement anyway (don't tell me Majak Daw can play his role, he hasn't played FB for Casey all year).

I think our biggest issues at the moment are 1) centre clearances and 2) our small forwards are giving us nothing.

I like Hunt as a forward option at this time because he can give us a bit more spark than Spargo or Pickett, who are both dreadfully out of form. He is better in the air than both and a longer, better set shot than both. While Hunt made some bad errors vs GWS in Q4, he almost changed the game in our favour. This is not an ideal change given Hunt has been very good down back, but we don't have much by the way of small forwards at the moment. Chandler and Bedford did not have great VFL games. 

The other reason to suggest Hunt forward is that we have other players who can play at half back in Bowey (who looks a future 200 gamer), Jordon and Brayshaw (not preferred). Bowey looks excellent in the VFL and, if he comes in, we might not lose much in defence. He is a better kick than Hunt is but not as strong.

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by Fat Tony

[jnrmac 20,276]

17 minutes ago, deanox said:

Agree. Definitely under the microscope right now.

In his favour is that he once again converted the 2nd most ground on field and had our most sprint efforts, meaning he is probably playing a big role in our system.

But his stats and impact have levelled off, and he needs to start having a bigger impact again.

 

For me he is the anti Melksham. I don't think Melksham does enough or works hard enough but there are a handful of times a game where he is devastatingly effective for us with respect to setting up a scoring opportunity. 

Can we afford to carry both Spargo and Melksham? Two players who probably don't do enough work but create scores? 

Who else can bring the tank and system role that ANB brings? 

Earlier in the year we were holding the ball in our fwd 50. It seems this aspect has dropped off. And that is Spargo Kozzie ANB Fritta plus the wings and mids helping out.

GWS exited pretty easily and thats a concern.

[Fat Tony 5,306]

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Earlier in the year we were holding the ball in our fwd 50. It seems this aspect has dropped off. And that is Spargo Kozzie ANB Fritta plus the wings and mids helping out.

GWS exited pretty easily and thats a concern.

Part of that was the poor delivery and shallow entries inside 50 on the weekend. But our small forwards have been unproductive on both sides of the ball for 3 weeks.

[deanox 10,045]

29 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Earlier in the year we were holding the ball in our fwd 50. It seems this aspect has dropped off. And that is Spargo Kozzie ANB Fritta plus the wings and mids helping out.

GWS exited pretty easily and thats a concern.

 

2 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Part of that was the poor delivery and shallow entries inside 50 on the weekend. But our small forwards have been unproductive on both sides of the ball for 3 weeks.

Shallow inside 50s but also (without evidence) my feel was that they kicked shorter out of defence, meaning they were able to get it outside the D50 before kicking down the line or cutting into the coridoor.

[WA Demon Boy 966]

I don't think our list is good enough this year if I'm honest 

Hunt, ANB, Harmes, Viney, Sparrow, Hibberd all aren't good enough players to win a flag. 

In the next few years we will upgrade on Hunt, ANB and Hibberd, Sparrow will continue to improve but Viney and Harmes can't be in the same team 

It's one or the other - right now Harmes edges him but only slightly

I don't know what we do with Viney. 

He is genuinely hurting our team.

I would 100% look to trade him end of year. 

[BW511 2,724]

I think the issue with our list is consistency of performance.

Richmond have won all their flags with only 4-5 top liners, the rest have been above average role players that seem to be able to perform in 80% of their games. Our role players have a bad game every 3-4 weeks or worse and those bad ones are not just a little bit ordinary.

I'd definitely have the Dogs, Cats and Lions ahead of us in terms of being placed to win finals.

Regarding Viney, from the outside it looks as though he'd be a prickly character and I don't know if that is because he's so driven or he just doesn't fit in

Edited July 5, 2021 by BW511

[dazzledavey36 55,885]

11 minutes ago, WA Demon Boy said:

I don't think our list is good enough this year if I'm honest 

Hunt, ANB, Harmes, Viney, Sparrow, Hibberd all aren't good enough players to win a flag. 

In the next few years we will upgrade on Hunt, ANB and Hibberd, Sparrow will continue to improve but Viney and Harmes can't be in the same team 

It's one or the other - right now Harmes edges him but only slightly

I don't know what we do with Viney. 

He is genuinely hurting our team.

I would 100% look to trade him end of year. 

The club has signed Viney to a 5 year deal. Goody loves him, and he's our vice captain. 

There is no way he will get traded.

[WA Demon Boy 966]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The club has signed Viney to a 5 year deal. Goody loves him, and he's our vice captain. 

There is no way he will get traded.

I've started a topic about him 

We all love his hard work, his attack and how much he's given to the club 

But he has too many flaws - one being how slow he's becoming and his lack of adjustment to the modern game

I want to see him back to his best, but I think those days are past him 

[Antioch 233]

17 hours ago, Boots and all said:

I really think Jackson can play more time deep in the forward 50, swapping with Maxy. When rucking they should focus their efforts between the 50 m arcs and as needed, deeper in defence. TMc to play higher up the ground as suggested, primarily b/w wing and flank. We need to open the forward line up more I think. The opposition are regularly flooding our forward 50.

I didn't  see the Casey game, but based on stats alone, BB was very ordinary. No stats at all available indicating %TOG.

BB played well the week before in the VFL. He kicked 5 goals. This week he was 50% on the bench. That wasn’t his call!!!